List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Arkhitect]

You’d trade for one of the best young key forwards in the comp and then play him at full back?

Jesus Christ

Absolutely. He has all the tools to be one of the best KPD's in the comp.

He was drafted as a defender, but the Dogs have played him forward out of necessity for the majority of his career. Now that they have JUH, Lobb and Darcy up forward, Bevo should seriously consider moving him to the back line to shore up their defence and support Jones.

Naughton is one of the most frustrating forwards in the comp to watch. One minute he takes an amazing mark, the next minute he misses a goal from 30m out, directly in front. He's a natural KPD playing as a makeshift KPF.

You must be one of those Freo supporters who called for Cox to move up forward in the early days because he showed promise as a KPF when we played him there for a short period of time, right? Kind of like what ended up happening to Naughton at his club...

 

[s_wd6]

Darcy isn’t leaving. Been told he will re sign.

Any info on the other guys? Cox, Schultz, Treacy?

 

[King Tenz]

Yeah, I don't have much interest in Naughton either. I just like what we have up forward and honestly don't think we could even get a trade done if we wanted too.

Like what could we actually trade (assuming Darcy isn't going anywhere)? Future 1st, the North 2nd and Liam Henry or something? That ain't getting Naughton.

 

[Dayts]

Yeah, I don't have much interest in Naughton either. I just like what we have up forward and honestly don't think we could even get a trade done if we wanted too.

Like what could we actually trade (assuming Darcy isn't going anywhere)? Future 1st, the North 2nd and Liam Henry or something? That ain't getting Naughton.

Definitely not getting Naughton with that.. Can’t see it happening either, but something always comes out of left field in trade week.

 

[Midnite65]

Dogs are playing Lobb on the wings for extended periods to obviously space out their talls.

I wonder if that was the great coaching and utilising of his strengths he was hoping for.

Without looking at any data he ranks around dead last for players used on the wing.

Yes, wonder if Lobb thought he would hear the new coach say, "Lobbie, we want you out of our forward line so you dont get in the way of our other forwards"

 

[Patty_Moz]

I’d be happy just running with the picks we have.
1) Try upgrade a 3rd pick to a 2nd with a Henry trade or get a 3rd for him.
2) Have an agreement with GCS to trade 2x 3rd for 1x 2nd when their academy kids are bid on.

End up with 2x 2nd, 3rd, 4th. The list decisions seem simple at this stage with Sturt and Wilson probably the most interesting depending how the season pans out for them. Our recruiting team usually get pretty creative though.

 

[sherrif]

Angus was a whisker away from being a docker.

I heard that too and that's why he got a 6 year deal from Melbourne. Originally Melbourne offered him a 4 year deal but had to match the freo offer for him to stay. I also got told that Bell basically thought there was no way Melbourne could match their offer which is why Acres received only a 1 year contract offer. Bell thought we had Angus so he was planning on having to need the salary space. My source is someone who does marketing work for Freo. Apparently Longmuir viewed Acres as a required player for his coaching style so he wanted him to stay as he sees a hard running winger who can also get back to defend as a key to his gamestyle. That's why we drafted Wagner who was seen as the best ready to go winger/defender playing at state league level. Wagner was apparently going to play wing for Freo until he got a preseason injury as he would need to be at peak fitness to play the Acres role.

 

[MadMundy]

The media are so desperate for Darcy to leave it's almost like they're ready to call him the best ruck in the competition the moment he hypothetically leaves.

 

[Carnthedockers]

I'm probably overly optimistic given our last month but it's really interesting to see where the club goes from here. Feel like we are pretty sorted across most positions with best 22 players and depth and it's just time and games played that's needed but I dont think they will sit back and just draft. I'm still positive that Naughton is target number 1 whether Darcy re-signs or not but getting him has to force a young talent out somewhere right? The cap would have to get toight at that stage.

I’ve been thinking the same thing. Naughton would be a great get, but his goal kicking is terrible, he would cost a lot, and it would push Treacy out who is a great set shot.

 

[estibador]

I'm completely against going after Naughton, I think it would be a huge mistake.

- We've had years of a dysfunctional forward line where our big key forward seemingly had no idea how to play well with others, resulting in a complete lack of synergy in the moving parts up forward. Years and years of it.

- We've also had years of not being able to convert all our hard work by not taking our chances at goal. Years and years of morale sapping inaccuracy. It's already cost us one premiership.

We've finally, after years and years and years, fixed both these issues with a great combination of young forwards who work brilliantly together and consistently finish off the chances their teammates create. Who are getting better with every game and can play together for the next decade. And we want to send ourselves back to the old days by spending an absolute fortune on a messiah player whose two biggest weakness are the same issues that have held our forward line back for years and years? Absolute madness.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Going to be controversial here, but I think Treacy has the ability to become nearly as good a mark as Naughton (albeit without the huge leap), but a superior set shot and, most importantly a foil for Jye due to his superior footy IQ. Kid is a crazy smart footballer (as is Amiss), and they make each other better. So much better than the Keystone cop routine we saw from Lobb and Tabs (and currently the Bullies).

In short, we already have the KPFs we need, no need to upset the team balance by throwing a massive contract at Naughts.

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[Snuffaluphagus]

Going to be controversial here, but I think Treacy has the ability to become nearly as good a mark as Naughton (albeit without the huge leap), but a superior set shot and, most importantly a foil for Jye due to his superior footy IQ. Kid is a crazy smart footballer (as is Amiss), and they make each other better. So much better than the Keystone cop routine we saw from Lobb and Tabs (and currently the Bullies).

In short, we already have the KPFs we need, no need to upset the team balance by throwing a massive contract at Naughts.

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Hmm, I think Treacy is not as good and will never be as good as Naughton. He’ll definitely never be close to as good a mark as Naughton who is one of the best marks in the game.

I’d say Treacy’s ceiling is like a Mihocek and given the difference in contract values both now and in their prime, I think there’s merit behind that being a better option for us anyway.

I’d love to know the list team’s thoughts on the best way to improve the list. Worth remembering it’s never as good as it seems as well…

 

[JammoMonty]

Angus was a whisker away from being a docker.

Thought that was common knowledge.

Interesting call on Sean Darcy and forget the media hype around him, I was told from a reliable source early this year that he was off at seasons end and Freo would be throwing the kitchen sink at Naughton.

 

[Cobbler]

Hmm, I think Treacy is not as good and will never be as good as Naughton. He’ll definitely never be close to as good a mark as Naughton who is one of the best marks in the game.

I’d say Treacy’s ceiling is like a Mihocek and given the difference in contract values both now and in their prime, I think there’s merit behind that being a better option for us anyway.

I’d love to know the list team’s thoughts on the best way to improve the list. Worth remembering it’s never as good as it seems as well…

I’ve always thought of Treacy a potential Lynch from Adelaide type forward.

The link piece.

But there’s been zero to suggest that’s the type of forward he is. I just think that’s how he could best be used. Draw his opponent away from inside 50m contests. Turn and look for Amiss or our speedy forwards to get out the back with his reasonable penetrating kick.

 

[Taylor]

Treacy has been sacrificing his own game quite a lot this season so far. Blocking, covering, impeding opponents and generally protecting his team mates from an out number or being crunched in a contest by keeping himself out of the contest until the likes of Brayshaw have taken the mark running back with the flight from that Jackson clearance inside fifty, remember that? Watch the replay and look for Treacy protecting the space for Andy to run into.

I think a more higher rated key forward flies for the marks himself and then complains that the team mate was moving into his space.

Our forward line is working because Josh Treacy is a team player and humble.

Putting another big rooster up there isn't the answer. Treacy will let Amiss be the star. Treacy will let Schultz kick the goals and Josh Treacy will be the player on the side lines setting up positioning and cheering the guys on.

I couldn't be more impressed with his team play game this year. I've been using him as an example teaching my son. He might even switch to Josh being his favorite player after Walters retires.

Don't let me down...

 

[Docker82]

Hmm, I think Treacy is not as good and will never be as good as Naughton. He’ll definitely never be close to as good a mark as Naughton who is one of the best marks in the game.

I’d say Treacy’s ceiling is like a Mihocek and given the difference in contract values both now and in their prime, I think there’s merit behind that being a better option for us anyway.

I’d love to know the list team’s thoughts on the best way to improve the list. Worth remembering it’s never as good as it seems as well…

I think it’s time people start to realise that Brody Mihocek is actually a bloody good footballer.

He might not be as talented as some KPFs but he gets the job done just as well if not better than quite a few of the ‘elite’ KPFs in the AFL. He seems to be continually underrated - the only reason I can think of is his draft position.

If Treacy reaches Mihocek’s level combined with Amiss reaching his potential then we’re all good for KPFs.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Treacy has been sacrificing his own game quite a lot this season so far. Blocking, covering, impeding opponents and generally protecting his team mates from an out number or being crunched in a contest by keeping himself out of the contest until the likes of Brayshaw have taken the mark running back with the flight from that Jackson clearance inside fifty, remember that? Watch the replay and look for Treacy protecting the space for Andy to run into.

I think a more higher rated key forward flies for the marks himself and then complains that the team mate was moving into his space.

Our forward line is working because Josh Treacy is a team player and humble.

Putting another big rooster up there isn't the answer. Treacy will let Amiss be the star. Treacy will let Schultz kick the goals and Josh Treacy will be the player on the side lines setting up positioning and cheering the guys on.

I couldn't be more impressed with his team play game this year. I've been using him as an example teaching my son. He might even switch to Josh being his favorite player after Walters retires.

Don't let me down...

Playing devil’s advocate, Treacy has been great at being selfless but he has to be because he doesn’t yet have the ability to lead a forwardline and being selfless is the best way for him to get a game.

Teams frequently win a flag with two gun key forwards and Naughton and Amiss are smart enough to work it out if it happens

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think it’s time people start to realise that Brody Mihocek is actually a bloody good footballer.

He might not be as talented as some KPFs but he gets the job done just as well if not better than quite a few of the ‘elite’ KPFs in the AFL. He seems to be continually underrated - the only reason I can think of is his draft position.

If Treacy reaches Mihocek’s level combined with Amiss reaching his potential then we’re all good for KPFs.

I tried to pick a player who was really good but not a superstar. I agree IF Treacy reaches that level then we are good for KPFs. Naughton is still a better player and more proven

 

[ilikepotatoes]

I tried to pick a player who was really good but not a superstar. I agree IF Treacy reaches that level then we are good for KPFs. Naughton is still a better player and more proven

I mean he's kicked more goals than Naughton so far....

And yes I know we are talking about a player who started off as a defender.

If we take both players first season out of it:

Mihocek - 167 goals in 98 games
Naughton - 167 goals in 94 games

They are statistically pretty much the same player - clearly by the end of their careers Naughton will be streets ahead given his age.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I mean he's kicked more goals than Naughton so far....

And yes I know we are talking about a player who started off as a defender.

If we take both players first season out of it:

Mihocek - 167 goals in 98 games
Naughton - 167 goals in 94 games

They are statistically pretty much the same player - clearly by the end of their careers Naughton will be streets ahead given his age.

I think you're saying this anyway but the fact Naughton has kicked the same amount of goals given Mihocek basically got to start in his prime demonstrates how much better a player Naughton is.

 

[Descent]

Playing devil’s advocate, Treacy has been great at being selfless but he has to be because he doesn’t yet have the ability to lead a forwardline and being selfless is the best way for him to get a game.

Teams frequently win a flag with two gun key forwards and Naughton and Amiss are smart enough to work it out if it happens

Amiss is. I'm not convinced that Naughton is a smart footballer at all.

 

[Tonga Bob]

Always Sonny! Walters signs on

Michael Walters has joined fellow veteran Nat Fyfe by signing a two-year contract extension that will see him remain at the Club until at least the 2025 season

www.fremantlefc.com.au

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Amiss is. I'm not convinced that Naughton is a smart footballer at all.

I dont think Naughton is physically gifted enough to kick 160+ goals by 23 without some level of football IQ behind it

 

[freo_leo29]

I think it’s time people start to realise that Brody Mihocek is actually a bloody good footballer.

He might not be as talented as some KPFs but he gets the job done just as well if not better than quite a few of the ‘elite’ KPFs in the AFL. He seems to be continually underrated - the only reason I can think of is his draft position.

If Treacy reaches Mihocek’s level combined with Amiss reaching his potential then we’re all good for KPFs.

Mihocek has genuinely gone to another level

He is a great mark, he's very good on the ground, he has football smarts

Bloke is going at 2.6 goals a game this year, that's elite

He would slot into any forwardline in the competition, even adelaides

 

[Bastyy]

I like it