List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Ysaye]

Liked the look of AoD in the colts GF today i believe he ran 10.9 in the hundred meters couple of weeks ago he’s seriously quick which is what we need on our wings, i wonder what pick we’ll need if we go down that path.

pick in the 50s.

 

[FallenZero1977]

Maybe we look in our own backyard for some KPD depth. Jacob Blight seems ready to go..195cm, 95kg. Same sort of size as Hamling and Cox, and would largely already know our system..

 

[Demons09]

Maybe we look in our own backyard for some KPD depth. Jacob Blight seems ready to go..195cm, 95kg. Same sort of size as Hamling and Cox, and would largely already know our system..

Scoble from Perth.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Shaun Mannagh??

Handy wing.

 

[FreoRicci]

Shaun Mannagh??

Handy wing.

Monster performance. 28 disposals, 6 goals!

 

[Ge3ks]

Monster peefosmce

 

[dexter_]

that ****en gif always cracks me up

 

[EastcoastDocker]

Biggest list management question is are we still rolling with the no d*heads policy? After seeing some well known d*heads light up the finals I'd really like to see onfield performance being the be all and end all of recruiting discussions.

 

[Demons09]

Biggest list management question is are we still rolling with the no d*heads policy? After seeing some well known d*heads light up the finals I'd really like to see onfield performance being the be all and end all of recruiting discussions.

Yes but who are the dickheads out there we can trade in.

 

[MadMac]

No dickhead policy is a myth. We recruited quite a few over the years and some of them with known attitude or off field issues (Sylvia, Hogan, Bennell)

 

[MadMundy]

No dickhead policy is a myth. We recruited quite a few over the years and some of them with known attitude or off field issues (Sylvia, Hogan, Bennell)

The no dickhead policy only came into effect once Longmuir became coach, he got rid of the dickheads and hasn't recruited one since.\

Every other coach we had was fine with dickheads, Longmuir is the first one to outright cut them or refuse to sign them.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

No dickhead policy is a myth. We recruited quite a few over the years and some of them with known attitude or off field issues (Sylvia, Hogan, Bennell)

I think the point is that those players failing is what created the "no dickhead" policy. Like half the 2020 delistings/departures were easily talented enough to be in the squad, but had character flaws.

 

[s_wd6]

The No Dickhead policy IS a myth. Those players who were dickheads that we got rid of were dickheads AND weren’t performing on field. There was no benefit to them staying at the club. Is there really any player who was good who we got rid of bc they were dickheads? Hogan was never going to get back to the level he’s at now if he stayed in WA.

 

[Dockeroo]

A less foreseen consequence of low list turnover is some boys getting well and truly settled into the comfort zone, when they really shouldn’t be. Sounds like we saw some signs of this at the WAFL finals today based on reports I’ve read.

Armed with their long term deals, why would they bother stretching themselves too much to improve.
We should be turning over a minimum of 6 or 7 players every year and giving new guys a chance, that guy who was BOG at the VFL final today from Werribee would only be thrilled to get a chance on a list for 12 months.

 

[MadMac]

I think the point is that those players failing is what created the "no dickhead" policy. Like half the 2020 delistings/departures were easily talented enough to be in the squad, but had character flaws.

I’m sorry fellas, could be a misunderstanding. I cbf searching late 2000s early 2010s posts but we were trumpeting that line on this forum long before JLo became a coach and the last clean out in 2020.

 

[Purpleheart_56]

Maybe we look in our own backyard for some KPD depth. Jacob Blight seems ready to go..195cm, 95kg. Same sort of size as Hamling and Cox, and would largely already know our system..

Sooooooooo sloooooooooooow...

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I’m sorry fellas, could be a misunderstanding. I cbf searching late 2000s early 2010s posts but we were trumpeting that line on this forum long before JLo became a coach and the last clean out in 2020.

I wasn't on the forum then obviously so idk about that. If you're right, then yeah at the very least from 2015 to like 2018 or 2019 Fremantle became the "I can fix you" girlfriend to iffy characters.

 

[Purpleheart_56]

No DH policy was itraduced by current establishment headed by P Bell...

 

[MadMac]

No DH policy was itraduced by current establishment headed by P Bell...

Mate, no DH policy was trumpeted here after 2010 draft when we passed on Jack Darling (due to his school delinquency irc). Unless I missed the news (which is possible) that the club officially announced the “policy”, to me it’s a BF term. We passed on Jack Darling because of apparent character flaws but went on to recruit aforementioned DHs in Sylvia, Bennell etc whose character issues were already publicly known.
I may be wrong though, my memory isn’t as good as it used to be, in which case I apologise

 

[FreoRicci]

A less foreseen consequence of low list turnover is some boys getting well and truly settled into the comfort zone, when they really shouldn’t be. Sounds like we saw some signs of this at the WAFL finals today based on reports I’ve read.

Armed with their long term deals, why would they bother stretching themselves too much to improve.
We should be turning over a minimum of 6 or 7 players every year and giving new guys a chance, that guy who was BOG at the VFL final today from Werribee would only be thrilled to get a chance on a list for 12 months.

Turned a fair amount of players over the years.
Some are retiring/delisted this season, with more to come

Corbett should be. Just doesn’t have it for AFL level

 

[MadMundy]

Turned a fair amount of players over the years.
Some are retiring/delisted this season, with more to come

Corbett should be. Just doesn’t have it for AFL level

Take away Corbett and that's basically our key forward depth gone, there's nothing wrong with having guys on the list that can fill a role when it's needed who otherwise play reserves.

 

[rgauci]

Shaun Mannagh??

Handy wing.

Really interested to know if he played opposed to Sharp on a wing or was he more onball?

 

[Dockeroo]

Take away Corbett and that's basically our key forward depth gone, there's nothing wrong with having guys on the list that can fill a role when it's needed who otherwise play reserves.

This is how I see an AFL list structure for a team that strikes a good balance between depth and bringing in new talent.
There are only 23 AFL “games” to be handed out each week to the list.

Good list management means you have about 30 mature players, that are in year 3 or more of their careers. All of these guys should be serviceable AFL players.
Your top 15 should be automatic starters each week.
Then your next 10 should be in and out, based on form etc.
Then you have another 6 or so mature players that are solid AFL role players playing at peel. This is players 26-31 on the list. Banfield, Hughes, Colyer, Wilson, hamling - those types. For me, you want the minimum amount of these players that you can get away with for a season. Otherwise they become profession stoppers for the next group.

From approx player 32-44 you have your project players, new kids and draftees being developed and maybe one or two break glass in case of emergency depth players.
Most of these players probably won’t make it. You only need two or three a year to come on from this group.
At the start of 2023 the players in this bracket were:
Wagner
Emmett
Knobel
Reidy
Williams
Draper
Kuek
Worner
Stanley
Erasmus
johnson
Amiss
Treacy
Benning
Davies

Now clearly amiss, Treacy, Johnson and Erasmus have firmly jumped up into the top 24 or so players, and in the case of Jye, top 10. I would argue Wagner is very close to them too, and potentially Emmett is next to join.

This developing group should contain a mix of safe bets and ideally a few high risk, high reward types.
The issue is every extra year you keep a Corbett or Reidy type around, who will never be anything other than stopgaps at afl level if there’s an injury crisis, you lose the opportunity to have one more developing youngster.
Much depends on the injury profile of the players on the list. Tabs is an issue here - he’s no good to us if he’s injured.
I would hate to see us going to a place where we have a smaller group of developing players and more depth than we need. We only need a few depth players. Every extra depth player that doesn’t play much is taking the place of a guy like Ethan Stanley who was the last to join our list.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Really interested to know if he played opposed to Sharp on a wing or was he more onball?

My understanding was Sharp's opposing number was Bior Malual.

 

[Superkoops]

Really interested to know if he played opposed to Sharp on a wing or was he more onball?

I watched bits of each quarter - not the whole game. I didn’t see Mannagh play wing. More on ball. He played one heck of a game though. Just wanted the ball and kicked some very goals.

Sharp wasn’t too bad. Nice goal he got after a side step. Also a couple of his i50 entries were really good kicks. Long and to the advantage of the forward like Chol marked one in the third. The games I’ve seen of Sharp today and during the season he isn’t particularly accountable at all but I didn’t see him lined up on Mannagh.