List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[FreoRicci]

What did Corbett do wrong? Ball barely went down and when it was in his direction he took some good marks.

I have been saying all year Amiss, Sturt and Corbett should be our 3 fwds. Make Jackson a tall winger.

Really like Corbett. No non sense leading forward. Runs in a line. He should be in and Banfield out.

 

[FreoRicci]

What is our most glaring deficiency. To me it’s a big bodied mid who can tackle. We are dead last in the competition on ground ball differential. That is embarrassing pure and simple. Teams cut us up time and time again - no one but serong can win a loose ball at the moment. the contest line has become a meme but we are literally one of the worst loose ball teams going around - which is part structure, two players getting sucked in to the one contest leaving a spare opponent loose, and part size : Serong brayshaw Brodie Aish JOM are light as a collective unit.

I think the forward line is OK. Amiss, Treacy, Sturt, Jackson, Freddy, walters, Schultz, Switta etc there’s plenty to work with. Maybe a quality small short. But irrespective they will never win the day if we get dominated in the middle.

We need size. fyfe seems cooked. So interested to hear state league watchers on what’s out there mid season / end of year drafts.

Bonts is like a giant compared to Serong, Brayshaw. Every time this midfield go up against bigger, faster types such as Crisp, De Gooey, Bonts it gets destroyed. Finals last season was evident.

 

[s_wd6]

Really like Corbett. No non sense leading forward. Runs in a line. He should be in and Banfield out.

Had more contested marks than any player on our team bar Darcy and he only played 33% game time

 

[apuchar]

To be fair he was touted as a winger.
The use of the half backers have been woeful this season.

We have kept bringing them in to try and get them to run and carry and none of them will do it. Wilson did for one week and then stopped. Clark does it occasionally. Walker is too busy fumbling

 

[Docker82]

Bonts is like a giant compared to Serong, Brayshaw. Every time this midfield go up against bigger, faster types such as Crisp, De Gooey, Bonts it gets destroyed. Finals last season was evident.

Johnson and Erasmus are big bodies but we decided to recruit JOM because we overrated our changes this year.

It’s highly questionable JOM will still be a better player in two years imo.

The JOM trade is the worst one we made in the last off season imo. I’m confident we’ll look back in ten years and be happy we had Luke Jackson on our list even if we paid too much. Can’t say the same about JOM. I’ll hold judgement on Corbett but honestly he cost **** all so who cares.

 

[FreoRicci]

Johnson and Erasmus are big bodies but we decided to recruit JOM because we overrated our changes this year.

It’s highly questionable JOM will still be a better player in two years imo.

The JOM trade is the worst one we made in the last off season imo. I’m confident we’ll look back in ten years and be happy we had Luke Jackson on our list even if we paid too much. Can’t say the same about JOM. I’ll hold judgement on Corbett but honestly he cost **** all so who cares.

Jackson is fine. He ll be incredible.

 

[Superkoops]

Johnson and Erasmus are big bodies but we decided to recruit JOM because we overrated our changes this year.

It’s highly questionable JOM will still be a better player in two years imo.

The JOM trade is the worst one we made in the last off season imo. I’m confident we’ll look back in ten years and be happy we had Luke Jackson on our list even if we paid too much. Can’t say the same about JOM. I’ll hold judgement on Corbett but honestly he cost **** all so who cares.

JOM cost essentially Bulldogs F2. What will likely be a pick around 30 (prob later after academy and f/s picks). I don’t see how that will go down as one of the worst trades in history.

That mantle well and truely sorted with this trade:
6,25 > Hogan, 55

JOM needs to do more when not involved in the contest and is finding his role in the team. He hasn’t been great but I did notice a couple of times he created space for the midfielders with a well timed bump. I’d also be playing him half forward more. He delivers the ball i50 quite decently (the benchmark set is very low it seems - with Brayshaw now deciding to kick i50 terribly) and JOM has a nice set-shot.

I hardly think the cost of a mid second round pick is going be set as the worst trade of all time.

The other piece of the trade involved Meek out and Hawks F4 in. We then traded F4 for pick 43 (big Knobel). So that is the Meek component.

Also with the Luke Jackson trade I agree we should never of caved and given F2 (the two firsts should have been it - walk away). We got back picks 42 (Emmett) and 57 (Wagner) for that F2 but given our likely ladder position between 10 and 14, we have given up a good second. I’m guessing Bell/Walls thought it was a given we end up top 6 and that Second closer to 35 than 25.

 

[Taylor]

In two years both Johnson and Erasmus will be filled out brutes and Jackson will be taking all those marks that should have been inside fifties last night but turned into turnovers

 

[Docker82]

JOM cost essentially Bulldogs F2. What will likely be a pick around 30 (prob later after academy and f/s picks). I don’t see how that will go down as one of the worst trades in history.

That mantle well and truely sorted with this trade:
6,25 > Hogan, 55

JOM needs to do more when not involved in the contest and is finding his role in the team. He hasn’t been great but I did notice a couple of times he created space for the midfielders with a well timed bump. I’d also be playing him half forward more. He delivers the ball i50 quite decently (the benchmark set is very low it seems - with Brayshaw now deciding to kick i50 terribly) and JOM has a nice set-shot.

I hardly think the cost of a mid second round pick is going be set as the worst trade of all time.

The other piece of the trade involved Meek out and Hawks F4 in. We then traded F4 for pick 43 (big Knobel). So that is the Meek component.

Also with the Luke Jackson trade I agree we should never of caved and given F2 (the two firsts should have been it - walk away). We got back picks 42 (Emmett) and 57 (Wagner) for that F2 but given our likely ladder position between 10 and 14, we have given up a good second. I’m guessing Bell/Walls thought it was a given we end up top 6 and that Second closer to 35 than 25.

A future 2nd and Meek is too much for 29 year inside mid who’s being traded as a salary dump. He’s not exactly an A Grader either. There’s no two ways about it - we paid too much.

The future 4th for the Knobel pick is a completely separate trade that I’m sure we could’ve used North’s own future 4th for and not thought anything of it and we’d have another second rounder. I still don’t have the dogs as a top eight side tbh - picks say 20 and 30 could’ve got us back into the first round this year imo.

It’s risky as it could stall the development of Erasmus and essentially cost us a pick 10 as well.

 

[WilloTree]

That mantle well and truely sorted with this trade:
6,25 > Hogan, 55

Hogan is absolutely worth that...and more.

He kicked 35 last year and has kicked 10 already this year.

He'd be our best forward by the length of Ascot.

 

[Lach72]

Hogan is absolutely worth that...and more.

He kicked 35 last year and has kicked 10 already this year.

He'd be our best forward by the length of Ascot.

Just incidentally, for no reason, I just watched Rozee bang one on the run from 50 5 minutes ago…

And I supported getting Hogan…stupidly as it turned out…

 

[WilloTree]

Just incidentally, for no reason, I just watched Rozee bang one on the run from 50 5 minutes ago…

And I supported getting Hogan…stupidly as it turned out…

Not stupid at all. Getting Hogan was the right move.

Keeping Hogan fit and off the other stuff is on him.

 

[go_the_dockers]

What is our most glaring deficiency. To me it’s a big bodied mid who can tackle. We are dead last in the competition on ground ball differential. That is embarrassing pure and simple. Teams cut us up time and time again - no one but serong can win a loose ball at the moment. the contest line has become a meme but we are literally one of the worst loose ball teams going around - which is part structure, two players getting sucked in to the one contest leaving a spare opponent loose, and part size : Serong brayshaw Brodie Aish JOM are light as a collective unit.

Erasmus covers this.

 

[Tundrawolf]

Sam Van Rooyen with 5.5 today for 10.7 for the season in 3 games - almost a clone of his brother.

 

[kp junior]

To be fair he was touted as a winger.
The use of the half backers have been woeful this season.

Touted by whom? He played his best footy as a HB, seems himself as a HB and was recruited as a HB.


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[Wilksyy]

And I supported getting Hogan…stupidly as it turned out…

96.7% of Freo supporters did (except Joao) including me and my reservations was his damn foot not his off-field issues.


Anyways with all this ridiculous Naughton talk how exactly are we going to get him? For a 3rd rounder we still have?

 

[Docker82]

I’d question the decision to draft Logue more than the decision to let him go tbh. Realistically you can’t keep three good KPDs and not expect one of them to be offered more money than you’re willing to pay. It’s what the salary cap is designed to do.

In 2016 we traded in Joel Hamling

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Joel Hamling

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

. Alex Pearce

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Alex Pearce

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

106.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

103.2

2star

looked like a gun youngster but he’d just had his first major injury, whilst Sam Collins had looked reasonably impressive in his first year. It seemed we had three decent KPDs for the future. We had no tall forwards except Taberner, no decent ruck other than a 34 year old Sandilands and our mids were Fyfe, Neale, Mundy (no one would’ve predicted him going to 37 either) and **** all else.

I’ve got to question what the club considers when it considers who is the ‘best available’. It seems they pick the player least likely to be a spud rather than most likely to be a gun tbh. If you looked at needs they almost picked the least needed type of player. I was fine drafting Cox later on as he’d shown a bit as a forward. Wouldn’t a player who plays a position that’s really needed be more likely to be the ‘best available’ long term?

Those three key defenders were backed up by an ageing Johnson and Dawson who were cooked by then but still offered decent back up. We could’ve easily drafted another KPD 2-3 years later into the rebuild if needed and might not have delisted a more than capable Sam Collins.

 

[Mk LXIII]

He had the final say.

Absolutely not, he was told to do so by the then CEO Rosich (who was also involved in recruiting). Blame that chardonnay sipping flog if you are looking for a scapegoat.

 

[s_wd6]

Absolutely not, he was told to do so by the then CEO Rosich (who was also involved in recruiting). Blame that chardonnay sipping flog if you are looking for a scapegoat.

He's also almost directly responsible for everything that has gone on with Lobb after selling the farm to bring him and hogan in, while we're at it.

 

[Taylor]

Just because he made the calls to deal him into the club, signed him to the big contract, introduced him to his daughter then offered the daughter a cushy gig at his new job and then needled about moving to Melbourne...

... yes it's him.

 

[Freomaniac]

What a monumental fail our list management is.

So..... Out of premiership or bust, this is a bust? LoL

 

[rgauci]

We should be moving heaven and earth to get a decent free agent. This year we will have **** all picks, we should be getting the best free agent. Which is Himmelberg, who shits on all of our forwards for talent.

Edit:

Not just talent, but production.

 

[Taylor]

The years after this one are more promising than their previous, and I expect they will be for about three years

 

[s_wd6]

We should be moving heaven and earth to get a decent free agent. This year we will have * all picks, we should be getting the best free agent. Which is Himmelberg, who shits on all of our forwards for talent.

Himmelberg would have been the perfect pick up if we had any chance of convincing him to come here. Fills a need without requiring any draft capital, and can play forward or back. Will probably end up at Sydney though.

 

[Joao]

Yes because I think the list had and has enough talent that you can splurge on a non-essential need because that talent is really good. I think you get diminishing returns on hitting the draft over and over again because you can’t develop them properly through games played. I believe GWS and to a lesser extent GC are a good example of this. So I have no problem spending capital on a potential midfield difference maker in Jackson when we are extremely vanilla in that area.

We can still address the forward need with a mature recruit sometime in the next 3 years and they are going to be better than any kid drafted last year unless Jefferson is an absolute super star.

If the club thought Jackson was the forward difference maker than I think they are morons.

Also, apologies but I have family stuff the rest of the day so will reply to your next reply tonight probs

I can't reconcile we can't win without player X with lets spend some of the capital that might get us player X on Jackson. I think that's the difference. I don't think it can be both and make sense. If that player is so critical, you need to put everything into it. As you said, there was enough talent otherwise and we do have Johnson, Ras and NOD that might help with the vanilla midfield in time.

Even if we think Jefferson is a potato and/or flight risk, we're better off trading that pick into the future or using it on a forward flanker with upside.

If you're right, we basically cornered into needed to trade/FA a mature KPF two years from now (we don't have capital to move anyone good this year). It's fun to be optimistic, but doesn't this scenario seem awful reminscent of out entire existence since Pav? I.e. why is it going to be any easier to do than it has been for the last 20 years?

Sam Van Rooyen with 5.5 today for 10.7 for the season in 3 games - almost a clone of his brother.

Age group?