List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[freo_leo29]

Georgiades is not needed, we already have JT who will be either as good or better throughout their careers, bookmark it.


Naughton on the other hand would be massive, he is more likely to head to the pies though, can't see that happening at all

 

[Taylor]

Just turn Treacy into a key back if that happened. He’s got the skill set to be a very good backman and it is much easier.

I think you send Naughton back and he becomes an All Australian marking key defender, leaving Treacy forward to kick the goals.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think you send Naughton back and he becomes an All Australian marking key defender, leaving Treacy forward to kick the goals.

That might be the proverbial straw for me…

 

[Taylor]

That might be the proverbial straw for me…

Freo has a knack for turning really expensive traded in tall forwards into really good tall defenders who go to Collingwood for a pick in the 40s later.

 

[wakojako]

I think you send Naughton back and he becomes an All Australian marking key defender, leaving Treacy forward to kick the goals.

Treacy wouldn't be at the club if Naughton comes 'home'.

 

[Taylor]

At the end of this season I would think Taberner, with a year contracted to go and thirty years old with an injury history, would be of around the same value as Treacy in trade and potentially the one Fremantle could most afford to lose - assuming Treacy is capable of stepping up. And assuming we would have to lose one to bring in Naughton.

Losing Treacy to bring in Naughton and then one more season and potentially losing Taberner too would be really poor list management in my opinion.

I think fit Tabs is the best tall forward we have proven at AFL level, but I also would like Treacy to be as good as him this year - just ten years younger.

 

[BigRang]

Just turn Treacy into a key back if that happened. He’s got the skill set to be a very good backman and it is much easier.

Taking a key forward that can kick straight and turning him into a backman would be ultimate Dockery-ness. Naughton can't kick straight I'm with Taylor send him to the backline.

 

[Superkoops]

I see Naughton and Treacy (195/196cm) as similar roles.

I see Georgiades (191cm/192cm) more in the same position as Banfield when played forward last year and could even fill that role Griff Logue did. He really isn’t a true KPF. Third tall.

If Naughton was to come (it would cost the farm) then JT will do a Meek. As he should to be honest.

Anyway just my opinion. I absolutely can see forwardline of Treacy/Amiss/Georgiades.

 

[Docker82]

2022 wasn’t his best year by any stretch but Taberner still averaged more goals per game than anyone else on our list that played over five games.

Yes. That’s right he scored more goals per game than Lobb.

That’s including the time after he returned from injury when he looked well off the pace.

He might do some dumb stuff occasionally but he’s still good for two goals a game when fully fit. There isn’t as many KPFs in the league that we can say that about as people think.

I rate Amiss very highly and also think Treacy can make it at AFL level but expecting them to match the output of a fully fit Taberner in 2023 seems like fantasyland stuff for me tbh. Taberner will stay in the team until he’s injured - like last year though if he gets injured he might struggle to get back if he’s not 100% on return.

 

[Purple Suit]

Taking a key forward that can kick straight and turning him into a backman would be ultimate Dockery-ness. Naughton can't kick straight I'm with Taylor send him to the backline.

138 goals vs 14 goals. One is proven, the other is not so it would be an easy decision if we had Naughton but were lacking down back.

The Dogs have been crying out for a decent key defender yet Naughton never gets sent there. I wonder why?

 

[arsesmart]

2022 wasn’t his best year by any stretch but Taberner still averaged more goals per game than anyone else on our list that played over five games.

Yes. That’s right he scored more goals per game than Lobb.

That’s including the time after he returned from injury when he looked well off the pace.

He might do some dumb stuff occasionally but he’s still good for two goals a game when fully fit. There isn’t as many KPFs in the league that we can say that about as people think.

I rate Amiss very highly and also think Treacy can make it at AFL level but expecting them to match the output of a fully fit Taberner in 2023 seems like fantasyland stuff for me tbh. Taberner will stay in the team until he’s injured - like last year though if he gets injured he might struggle to get back if he’s not 100% on return.

Yeah but small sample size eh?

Thing is, when you're talking a key forward, totals matter. Kinda as you're wanting them to be key. A "fully fit Taberner" is like nuclear fusion, nice to anticipate, but sort of unlikely.

 

[A New Hope]

In regards to Ryan Daniels, he has a big year coming up in the media with new positions etc.
As relatively fair his reporting has been regarding freo up to now, he is still a journalist and in the media so expect more click bait to garner attention to him and the people that are paying him.
He has been relativity on point with past reporting but that has all been pretty factual stuff. With Georgadies and Naughton he is simply bringing up something that has been discussed on many different threads here on big footy by us and many others.
The key to being good in the media is to give people what they want (or really what they want to react too) and this seems like low hanging fruit.
Its going to be a big year for Daniels so good on the Freo PR team recognising that and intern getting a lot more publicity.
Im pretty sure we wont be complaining in a few years time when the West has Brennan Cox

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on the front page instead of Nic showing off his new electric skate board.

 

[A New Hope]

In regards to Ryan Daniels, he has a big year coming up in the media with new positions etc.
As relatively fair his reporting has been regarding freo up to now, he is still a journalist and in the media so expect more click bait to garner attention to him and the people that are paying him.
He has been relativity on point with past reporting but that has all been pretty factual stuff. With Georgadies and Naughton he is simply bringing up something that has been discussed on many different threads here on big footy by us and many others.
The key to being good in the media is to give people what they want (or really what they want to react too) and this seems like low hanging fruit.
Its going to be a big year for Daniels so good on the Freo PR team recognising that and intern getting a lot more publicity.
Im pretty sure we wont be complaining in a few years time when the West has Brennan Cox on the front page instead of Nic showing off his new electric skate board.

Ooops we will, cause players arnt allowed to have fun lol

 

[Dayts]

Dont need to imply we are after anyone, every club is always looking to trade players in, that's a given. Daniels asked about Naughton and Georgiades specifically then Bell said "we are having people ask about moving to WA and joining Freo now"

That's pretty different and means there are players specifically wanting to join Freo, or at least, include us in a list of clubs they would like to move to which is pretty exciting.

Who is Kysaiah Pickett

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[Mr Cheese]

Who is Kysaiah Pickett

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Melbourne player worth 3 firsts according to Danster

 

[sherrif]

In regards to Ryan Daniels, he has a big year coming up in the media with new positions etc.
As relatively fair his reporting has been regarding freo up to now, he is still a journalist and in the media so expect more click bait to garner attention to him and the people that are paying him.
He has been relativity on point with past reporting but that has all been pretty factual stuff. With Georgadies and Naughton he is simply bringing up something that has been discussed on many different threads here on big footy by us and many others.
The key to being good in the media is to give people what they want (or really what they want to react too) and this seems like low hanging fruit.
Its going to be a big year for Daniels so good on the Freo PR team recognising that and intern getting a lot more publicity.
Im pretty sure we wont be complaining in a few years time when the West has Brennan Cox on the front page instead of Nic showing off his new electric skate board.

Ryan seems well liked by Freo staff.

 

[sherrif]

How the **** would we have draft currency for Naughton after paying out the arse for Jackson

The Fyfe salary will go down dramatically next season. Our salary cap is in great shape moving forward. If the rumours are true (highly unlikely at this time of year) then Treacy and Henry would have to be part of the deal probably involving a third club. Then combine that with a future first would be my best bet. I can't see that happening personally. It would take similar trade capital if not more than what we paid to get Jackson in my opinion.

 

[Docker82]

Yeah but small sample size eh?

Thing is, when you're talking a key forward, totals matter. Kinda as you're wanting them to be key. A "fully fit Taberner" is like nuclear fusion, nice to anticipate, but sort of unlikely.

No it isn’t. It’s over the last three years of football where he’s consistently scored more per game than anyone else in the team when playing.

He’s been our leading goal kicker 2 of the last 3 seasons, so unless you’re talking just 2022 your argument of totals matter only further proves my point.

No other key forward on our list is a sure thing to average over a goal a game. That’s the reality.

If Taberner is fully fit for ten games or fifteen games we’re far more likely to win those games with Taberner in the side. Losing five of those games could be the difference between top four and missing the eight. We’re not rebuilding - we pick our best side to win games.

 

[arsesmart]

No it isn’t. It’s over the last three years of football where he’s consistently scored more per game than anyone else in the team when playing.

He’s been our leading goal kicker 2 of the last 3 seasons, so unless you’re talking just 2022 your argument of totals matter only further proves my point.

No other key forward on our list is a sure thing to average over a goal a game. That’s the reality.

If Taberner is fully fit for ten games or fifteen games we’re far more likely to win those games with Taberner in the side. Losing five of those games could be the difference between top four and missing the eight. We’re not rebuilding - we pick our best side to win games.

Availability is very important if you're talking about someone potentially as structurally important as a FF/CHF.

You're also much more likely to win games (especially against top-notch/in-form opposition at the peots) if you have good continuity with the key players.

The small sample size is much more prone to significant distortion from outliers too (like 7 goal games against someone's bunnies).

The reality is Taberner has had poor availability for virtually his whole career. Good on him if he can all of a sudden start achieving that now, we can only give it a shot, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Retzlaff]

How the **** would we have draft currency for Naughton after paying out the arse for Jackson

Our next two pick 18s might do it

 

[Docker82]

Availability is very important if you're talking about someone potentially as structurally important as a FF/CHF.

You're also much more likely to win games (especially against top-notch/in-form opposition at the peots) if you have good continuity with the key players.

The small sample size is much more prone to significant distortion from outliers too (like 7 goal games against someone's bunnies).

The reality is Taberner has had poor availability for virtually his whole career. Good on him if he can all of a sudden start achieving that now, we can only give it a shot, but I'm not holding my breath.

It’s not a small sample. He’s led our goals per game three years in a row. In two of those years he kicked enough to be our leading goal kicker.

If misses any less than 6-7 games I’m still backing him to win our goal kicking tbh. I’m not claiming it’s ideal he misses the games he does or that it doesn’t hurt the teams momentum but playing him is still much better than not. Good clubs don’t leave out their best players because they get injured a lot.

 

[arsesmart]

It’s not a small sample. He’s led our goals per game three years in a row. In two of those years he kicked enough to be our leading goal kicker.

If misses any less than 6-7 games I’m still backing him to win our goal kicking tbh. I’m not claiming it’s ideal he misses the games he does or that it doesn’t hurt the teams momentum but playing him is still much better than not. Good clubs don’t leave out their best players because they get injured a lot.

My point is on leaning too heavily into the whole average goals per game to support the argument is dodge as it hides (if not denies) the importance of continuity.

Good clubs don't rely heavily on players, well...so unreliable. Best players are elevated to best players because of opportunity and faith/status they are afforded to carry the load.

The message of the past 10 years of Taberner's continuity, along with the burgeoning stocks we have is that there are only so many eggs you can advisably look to invest in Tabs basket and we might be better spreading them around a little.

 

[Eski3]

In regards to Ryan Daniels, he has a big year coming up in the media with new positions etc.
As relatively fair his reporting has been regarding freo up to now, he is still a journalist and in the media so expect more click bait to garner attention to him and the people that are paying him.
He has been relativity on point with past reporting but that has all been pretty factual stuff. With Georgadies and Naughton he is simply bringing up something that has been discussed on many different threads here on big footy by us and many others.
The key to being good in the media is to give people what they want (or really what they want to react too) and this seems like low hanging fruit.
Its going to be a big year for Daniels so good on the Freo PR team recognising that and intern getting a lot more publicity.
Im pretty sure we wont be complaining in a few years time when the West has Brennan Cox on the front page instead of Nic showing off his new electric skate board.

The fact that Daniels is getting extensive tell all exclusive interviews with Peter Bell indicates we've got a better relationship with him than we have had with any other WA journalist other than perhaps Mark Duffield. He's generally very up to speed with Freo injury stuff, we clearly leak some stuff to him. I do doubt that we are leaking trade news to him though simply because historically we notoriously don't leak that to anyone ever

 

[Joao]

Zero chance Daniels throws something like that out without some reasonable source. Doesn't mean it will definitely happen but he's not a clickbait journo.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Daniels is hearing from at least 2 people not with the club that we are chasing Naughton and Georgiades, that's all. It's still exciting but not exactly time to choose a jumper number for either of them. For one, I'd be reasonably certain Georgiades goes WC if he comes back and for two, the price for Naughton this year especially would be disgusting.

I would personally be fine with losing both Tabs and Treacy (and whatever other picks needed) for Naughton because a proven, ready to go KPF would just put this list over the top and give us an insane core group group of 25 and unders to work with across all lines and positions.