List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[apuchar]

What did Corbett do wrong? Ball barely went down and when it was in his direction he took some good marks.

I have been saying all year Amiss, Sturt and Corbett should be our 3 fwds. Make Jackson a tall winger.

Is that enough strength in the air?

 

[nurries]

Thank f@#$! Some of our posters on here aren't list managers.

I had so many arguments on here when people were calling for Sturt to be delisted last year - at the time I was saying what a non sensical list strategy that was - but according to some, even though we were bereft of a tall, straight kicking, mobile forward who can run like the wind, they wanted him off the list because he wasn't kicking 5 goals in the WAFL every week.

The failure to play Sturt not list management it’s match committee and ours doesn’t have a clue

 

[freo1997]

I never said he did anything wrong?

Sorry misunderstood.

 

[freo1997]

Is that enough strength in the air?

No matter what we don’t have aerial beasts. Jackson can’t hold them unfortunately….

Those three are good on a lead. We need to get them into space. Starts with ball movement which Jlo has nfi.

 

[Superkoops]

Not a Bell fan but he did not want Hogan. It was Rosich and Ross Lyon seeking a sugar hit. Everything else you say I agree with.

If Bell was sacked after Hogan trade he would have been in the job about 4 weeks.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So I need to clarify then.

a) Even if we kept the 2nd, you were ok with two first rounders?
b) You genuinely believe we are ****ed unless we get another KPF and/or generational players
c) Jackson isn't a generational player
d) First rounders are almost the only way to get those players we need (unless you get REALLY lucky on FA).

You still wanted Jackson?

Also, what currency were we to use in this situation to get b)?

Feels like you’re trying to do some 1+1=3 and extrapolate things to bend to your grievances in some ‘gotcha’ argument on me.

Jackson was and is worth two first round picks above 10. I expected to get a third or second back with those picks on precedence and the fact we didn’t was shithouse I believe I’ve always said that. We paid a price for an uncontracted player where best case it’s fair, worst case it’s horrible for us. It should have been the other way around for Melbourne. Jackson could be still be generational but doesn’t have to be to justify trading for him, but there’s a difference between the decision to trade for someone and the decision to pay what you do in the trade

I feel like my stance on that alone answers the theme behind your points but I’ll try to address the KPF one again.

Yes, we need a ready to go elite forward to pair with Amiss or at least a proven very good one. From our other discussion, I think this is by far the easiest way to get to contention. List management plans are normally in place years out, we have no idea what the plans are on player movement for us this trade period yet alone next. Last night seems to be a good example of why getting another 18 year old to put next to Amiss is going to do **** all for us regardless of how good they are.

 

[apuchar]

Did

No matter what we don’t have aerial beasts. Jackson can’t hold them unfortunately….

Those three are good on a lead. We need to get them into space. Starts with ball movement which Jlo has nfi.

Did Justin take Brayshaw's kicks last night's. It seems half of the players have nfi. The only one who used his brains going forward last night was Hughes. God help us.

 

[freo1997]

Did

Did Justin take Brayshaw's kicks last night's. It seems half of the players have nfi. The only one who used his brains going forward last night was Hughes. God help us.

Ball movement gets coached. That’s a very ignorant reply.

McRae doesn’t deliver i50s for Collingwood but the structure and game style allows them to hit up there (average fwds) uncontested.

 

[Swiggy]

need to target a winger

 

[freo1997]

need to target a winger

Reckon Walker or Clark need to put their hands up.

 

[Swiggy]

Reckon Walker or Clark need to put their hands up.

Not the worst idea, give Johnson a good run at it too.

Time to move Aish back be that lockdown player he was at Collingwood. Clark NOD & Johnson wings

 

[freo1997]

Not the worst idea, give Johnson a good run at it too.

Time to move Aish back be that lockdown player he was at Collingwood. Clark NOD & Johnson wings

Yep Aish gone backwards. Aish and Hughes to the backline….how about their disposal coming out though…..

**** this list. Wtf did belly do.

 

[mightymouse75]

Belly ****ed the pig.
This pig has been ****ed

 

[Joao]

Feels like you’re trying to do some 1+1=3 and extrapolate things to bend to your grievances in some ‘gotcha’ argument on me.

Jackson was and is worth two first round picks above 10. I expected to get a third or second back with those picks on precedence and the fact we didn’t was shithouse I believe I’ve always said that. We paid a price for an uncontracted player where best case it’s fair, worst case it’s horrible for us. It should have been the other way around for Melbourne. Jackson could be still be generational but doesn’t have to be to justify trading for him, but there’s a difference between the decision to trade for someone and the decision to pay what you do in the trade

I feel like my stance on that alone answers the theme behind your points but I’ll try to address the KPF one again.

Yes, we need a ready to go elite forward to pair with Amiss or at least a proven very good one. From our other discussion, I think this is by far the easiest way to get to contention. List management plans are normally in place years out, we have no idea what the plans are on player movement for us this trade period yet alone next. Last night seems to be a good example of why getting another 18 year old to put next to Amiss is going to do * all for us regardless of how good they are.

There is no 1+1 = 3 and I don't care about the details of trade. It is also true that there will be plans we know nothing about, but that isn't useful to us for that exact reason.

I'm trying to get at your reasoning because I genuinely don't understand it. I'll try again

• There is a 'player' we don't have that we need to contend (are we are highly unlikely in your opinion, to win a flag without this player - paraphrasing you from the other discussion).
• Jackson isn't this 'player'
• Jackson was/is worth the two first round picks (whether you get a 2nd or 3rd back is irrelevant given the next premise)
• First round picks are required for the 'player'
• If we can't trade for this 'player' we will have to draft them (regardless of how long it takes them to come on)

We should still get Jackson regardless?


Do you disagree with any of that?

 

[Swiggy]

Yep Aish gone backwards. Aish and Hughes to the backline….how about their disposal coming out though…..

* this list. Wtf did belly do.

Hughes to Peel

 

[Nodgey]

Did

Did Justin take Brayshaw's kicks last night's. It seems half of the players have nfi. The only one who used his brains going forward last night was Hughes. God help us.

Yep - commented on this to my mate during the game: a Hughes inside 50 shits all over those Blacres bombs.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There is no 1+1 = 3 and I don't care about the details of trade. It is also true that there will be plans we know nothing about, but that isn't useful to us for that exact reason.

I'm trying to get at your reasoning because I genuinely don't understand it. I'll try again

• There is a 'player' we don't have that we need to contend (are we are highly unlikely in your opinion, to win a flag without this player - paraphrasing you from the other discussion).
• Jackson isn't this 'player'
• Jackson was/is worth the two first round picks (whether you get a 2nd or 3rd back is irrelevant given the next premise)
• First round picks are required for the 'player'
• If we can't trade for this 'player' we will have to draft them (regardless of how long it takes them to come on)

We should still get Jackson regardless?


Do you disagree with any of that?

Yes because I think the list had and has enough talent that you can splurge on a non-essential need because that talent is really good. I think you get diminishing returns on hitting the draft over and over again because you can’t develop them properly through games played. I believe GWS and to a lesser extent GC are a good example of this. So I have no problem spending capital on a potential midfield difference maker in Jackson when we are extremely vanilla in that area.

We can still address the forward need with a mature recruit sometime in the next 3 years and they are going to be better than any kid drafted last year unless Jefferson is an absolute super star.

If the club thought Jackson was the forward difference maker than I think they are morons.

Also, apologies but I have family stuff the rest of the day so will reply to your next reply tonight probs

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Hold firm on the list, we’ve all seen the talent is there, it needs time and proper coaching whether that’s JL or someone else we’ve seen time and time again how a fresh approach can change perspectives between years

 

[Rockmelon]

I think the situation we’re in is similar to Melbourne in 2019.

Demons finished 5th in 2018 and made a prelim. 2019 they finish bottom 4. Then 9th in 20 and then won a flag in 21.

The only thing that bugs me is that we don’t have a first round pick this year but if Jackson starts clunking these marks he gets his hands to he’ll be a incredible player and will be worth what we paid for him

 

[Nodgey]

I’m not seeing Jackson developing into a midfield game changer (insert obligatory ‘hope I’m wrong’ here). And currently he’s spending a lot of time forward.

So the magic 8 ball says all signs are pointing to the football dept being morons.

 

[nurries]

I’m not seeing Jackson developing into a midfield game changer (insert obligatory ‘hope I’m wrong’ here). And currently he’s spending a lot of time forward.

So the magic 8 ball says all signs are pointing to the football dept being morons.

I guess with Jackson it’s 2-3 years away from reaping benefits. He is 21

 

[Tundrawolf]

The failure to play Sturt not list management it’s match committee and ours doesn’t have a clue

Failure on the match committee not to play him is one thing, but that wasn't my point. My point is that many short sighted posters on here thought Sturt wasn't up to it, therefore wanted him delisted.

 

[apuchar]

Van Rooyen jr has kicked 3. 2 to half time in the Colts

 

[FreoRicci]

Don’t want to rag on the poor guy but the Wagner pickup doesn’t seem great.

Clearly we thought we already had all the pieces to top up with a 26yo state league player. He’s no upgrade on Wilson imho.

I hope Emmett turns out ok but was he really setting the SNAFL alight or just dishing up Banfield/Shultz numbers?

Wasn’t impressed with the JOM deal at the time but then convinced myself he could still give us up to 100 solid games. But it ain’t looking great so far.

It just screams poor list management. As others have said, it looks like we’ve been drinking our own bath water and just expected it to happen this year. Concerning.

To be fair he was touted as a winger.
The use of the half backers have been woeful this season.

 

[Feathercap]

What is our most glaring deficiency. To me it’s a big bodied mid who can tackle. We are dead last in the competition on ground ball differential. That is embarrassing pure and simple. Teams cut us up time and time again - no one but serong can win a loose ball at the moment. the contest line has become a meme but we are literally one of the worst loose ball teams going around - which is part structure, two players getting sucked in to the one contest leaving a spare opponent loose, and part size : Serong brayshaw Brodie Aish JOM are light as a collective unit.

I think the forward line is OK. Amiss, Treacy, Sturt, Jackson, Freddy, walters, Schultz, Switta etc there’s plenty to work with. Maybe a quality small short. But irrespective they will never win the day if we get dominated in the middle.

We need size. fyfe seems cooked. So interested to hear state league watchers on what’s out there mid season / end of year drafts.