List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Dockeroo]

To be fair to Darcy if he’s had ankle surgery he couldn’t be able to run for quite a while.
From what I hear he’s one of the hardest trainers at the club. I’d have little concerns

 

[Cobbler]

I hear he’s the largest trainer…

 

[bone2468]

I hear he’s the largest trainer…

I heard he ate the trainer

 

[sumavich]

Damien Barrett doing a number on Freo with both Hogan & Acres being the main story on AFL.com
My God has the Hogan trade been our worst ever? Even Trent Croad showed more than Hogan when he was at Freo

 

[s_wd6]

Damien Barrett doing a number on Freo with both Hogan & Acres being the main story on AFL.com
My God has the Hogan trade been our worst ever? Even Trent Croad showed more than Hogan when he was at Freo

I don't remember Adelaide getting crucified when Stengle went on to kick 4 in the grand final?? And he was the exact same situation as Hogan except instead of trading him for a pick in the 50s they just delisted him.

 

[apuchar]

Don't worry about it. He didn't want to be here and didn't fit in. Happy he found somewhere where he feels he belongs. Not sure Lobby has had the same luck

 

[go_the_dockers]

Damien Barrett doing a number on Freo with both Hogan & Acres being the main story on AFL.com
My God has the Hogan trade been our worst ever? Even Trent Croad showed more than Hogan when he was at Freo

I don't remember Adelaide getting crucified when Stengle went on to kick 4 in the grand final?? And he was the exact same situation as Hogan except instead of trading him for a pick in the 50s they just delisted him.

We traded pick 5 for hogan then gave him away for nothing, now he kicked 40 goals.

It is an easy story to write.

 

[fnerd]

Jesus. The 90s have really come back there haven’t they.

Well they do say fashion tends to have 20 year odd cycle

 

[Dockeroo]

The only question mark I’ve the hogan debacle is was he pushed out too soon? I don’t know really. It felt to me from the outside JL placed him in the “too hard” basket and his fate was sealed from there.
Did we push him out or did he come to us and request a trade?
Easy to forget it was Ross Lyon that brought hogan in, JL inherited him.

Whatever happened, the trade is easily our worst of all time (we got McPharlin out of the croad trade) and also probably in the top 10 worst AFL trades of all time.

 

[s_wd6]

The only question mark I’ve the hogan debacle is was he pushed out too soon? I don’t know really. It felt to me from the outside JL placed him in the “too hard” basket and his fate was sealed from there.
Did we push him out or did he come to us and request a trade?
Easy to forget it was Ross Lyon that brought hogan in, JL inherited him.

Whatever happened, the trade is easily our worst of all time (we got McPharlin out of the croad trade) and also probably in the top 10 worst AFL trades of all time.

Was there a trigger that he would’ve reached that would’ve meant he was going to get a massive pay rise/extension? I remember hearing something like that at the time. That to me sounds more realistic than pushing him out because he would be a bad influence amongst the group.

 

[FallenZero1977]

Damien Barrett doing a number on Freo with both Hogan & Acres being the main story on AFL.com
My God has the Hogan trade been our worst ever? Even Trent Croad showed more than Hogan when he was at Freo

The article doesn't actually place any blame on us for either being moved on. He mentions Hogan being hounded by media and that the trade was a last chance, and he then just talks up how Acres found a way to become a matchwinner for Carlton.

 

[apuchar]

The article doesn't actually place any blame on us for either being moved on. He mentions Hogan being hounded by media and that the trade was a last chance, and he then just talks up how Acres found a way to become a matchwinner for Carlton.

That's way to balanced for here.

 

[mightymouse75]

The article doesn't actually place any blame on us for either being moved on. He mentions Hogan being hounded by media and that the trade was a last chance, and he then just talks up how Acres found a way to become a matchwinner for Carlton.

Wait until Suma gets his fangs into it

 

[DocT]

Damien Barrett doing a number on Freo with both Hogan & Acres being the main story on AFL.com
My God has the Hogan trade been our worst ever? Even Trent Croad showed more than Hogan when he was at Freo

TBF the story is that both Acres AND Hogan played vital roles in their teams' victories and that both teams were mediocre mid-season. The emphasis is that both Hogan and Acres are journeymen, not that Freo missed a trick. The parallels are story-worthy in their own right, this is not a crack at Freo.

Unfortunately for Freo both Hogan and Acres were a stuff-up that we must wear. The Hogan debacle in particular cost us immensely. If we fall short of a decent premiership tilt it will be looked upon as a key contributing factor. Perhaps we were all unlucky, if he didn't have his persistent navicular injury perhaps he could have got on top of his mental demons while he was here. We will never know. Anyhow, we backed ourselves in to make the right environment for an injured/troubled player and we failed.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

The only question mark I’ve the hogan debacle is was he pushed out too soon? I don’t know really. It felt to me from the outside JL placed him in the “too hard” basket and his fate was sealed from there.
Did we push him out or did he come to us and request a trade?
Easy to forget it was Ross Lyon that brought hogan in, JL inherited him.

Whatever happened, the trade is easily our worst of all time (we got McPharlin out of the croad trade) and also probably in the top 10 worst AFL trades of all time.

We pushed him out. (From One Giant leap: Enigma Hogan reveals whirlwind of leaving Freo)

“The fact that I finished [2020] with a good body, and mentally and physically I’m in a good position, it would’ve been nice to potentially give it a full year alongside Tabs and Lobby but it hasn’t transpired and I think this is the best move for all parties."

Freo clearly believed in 2020 that they needed to make a statement that professionalism, hard work and just having your shit together off field in general beats talent. The Hogan move was just 1 example: delisted McCarthy, Matera, Dixon and a few of the NGA guys that all had their issues. I feel like I remember us being interested in trading out Blakely around that time too. Kinda fits that first year where we apparently did stuff like getting motivational speakers and doing a bunch of "culture setting" stuff. Seems simplistic to say, but assessment of that strategy will hinge on whether we win (or at bare minimum come very close to) a flag in the next like 5 years.

Re whether it was our worst trade, I say no purely because it really only looks terrible in hindsight (looked iffy at the time, but nowhere near as bad). I don't think you'll find a team more determined to shoot themselves in the foot while creating premiership dynasties for other teams than Freo in their first 10 years, after which we gradually learned that top 10 picks are worth a damn.

 

[Dockeroo]

Kinda fits that first year where we apparently did stuff like getting motivational speakers and doing a bunch of "culture setting" stuff. Seems simplistic to say, but assessment of that strategy will hinge on whether we win (or at bare minimum come very close to) a flag in the next like 5 years.

Yes a very important point you make. All well and good to say it’s great to get rid of all the problematic types, but results have got to improve on the back of that.
I reckon if JL had taken over Fremantle in 2011, Michael Walters would have spent the last decade playing footy for a Melbourne based club.
His strategy to get rid of troublemakers is a perfectly valid path to take.
We shall see if the strategy works for him over the next year or two.

 

[sumavich]

The article doesn't actually place any blame on us for either being moved on. He mentions Hogan being hounded by media and that the trade was a last chance, and he then just talks up how Acres found a way to become a matchwinner for Carlton.

True, he doesn’t. But it won’t take long for Freo to be blamed. And so they should, I remember Bell was reluctant to get Hogan, but Acres is definitely his stuff up. It’s still horrific list mgt

 

[BettercallSaul]

I wouldn't mind Elijah Scoble from Perth FC. Key defender. Seems to have good closing speed. Around 195 quite solidly built. Kept Cocking quiet today in the colts final. Wonder where he is rated in the scheme of things. McArdle has him as one of the best from WA for this draft.

Neve heard of him but with a name like that he is now a “must have”.

 

[apuchar]

ZANE ZAKOSTELSKY is an even better player. Not a bad name either

Neve heard of him but with a name like that he is now a “must have”.

 

[MadMundy]

The article doesn't actually place any blame on us for either being moved on. He mentions Hogan being hounded by media and that the trade was a last chance, and he then just talks up how Acres found a way to become a matchwinner for Carlton.

Not enough "Hogan was a ****wit I ****ing hate him" for this board.

 

[Taylor]

Was there a trigger that he would’ve reached that would’ve meant he was going to get a massive pay rise/extension? I remember hearing something like that at the time. That to me sounds more realistic than pushing him out because he would be a bad influence amongst the group.

Yes. He was going to move up to a million a season

 

[ilikepotatoes]

I heard from a very reliable source just after we traded Hogan that even his ex-Melbourne teammates couldn't believe he came back to Perth.

He was in with the wrong crowd and that's why we got rid of him.

 

[FreoRicci]

Damien Barrett doing a number on Freo with both Hogan & Acres being the main story on AFL.com
My God has the Hogan trade been our worst ever? Even Trent Croad showed more than Hogan when he was at Freo

BARRETT: Finals heroes go from scrapheap to top of the pile

The performances of Blake Acres and Jesse Hogan symbolise the extraordinary form surges of Carlton and GWS, writes Damian Barrett

www.afl.com.au

 

[Dayts]

Algorithms getting very good

 

[FreoRicci]

True, he doesn’t. But it won’t take long for Freo to be blamed. And so they should, I remember Bell was reluctant to get Hogan, but Acres is definitely his stuff up. It’s still horrific list mgt

Hogan comes in for first round pick, leaves for a fourth rounder if that.
Acres leaves for a FUTURE third rounder.

That’s where Fremantle should get blamed.

Back in the wrong players, pay the consequences.

Henry is a clear example. God can’t wait for GF to be over and trade week comes, so he can go.