MVP 2023 Nick "426" Smith Memorial Trophy Leader-Board

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FootyGuy13

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It's the 2023 edition of the Melbourne Board's MVP main thread; the Nick "426" Smith Memorial Trophy. After the disappointment that was the 2022 season, it'll be interesting to see what lessons the team has learned from being overconfident and never leaving first-gear cause we went 10-0 against easy opposition.

One thing I don't think will change will be that either Oliver or Petracca will probably win this as they've been the clear 1-2 for the past 2 seasons and have yet to show any signs of slowing down, although Brayshaw almost challenged for the win of half-back last season before moving to the midfield, Gawn will get some help sharing ruck duties with Grundy so we'll see if that has any affect on the downward trend both players have been showing in recent seasons and you can never rule out any dark horse options in May, Lever, Petty, Viney, Langdon, Hunter, Pickett or Fritsch. Yeah I know some of those players won't finish in the Top 10, which brings up the question of who have to make way. Oh the problems of having a hopefully good team.

The voting and points system is still what it has been, just continue to put in your votes every week and we should have a winner that everyone can agree on.


Honour Roll (Bluey Truscott placings)

2022 - Clayton Oliver (1st)
2021 - Christian Petracca (2nd)
2020 - Christian Petracca (1st)
2019 - Max Gawn (=1st)
2018 - Max Gawn (1st)
2017 - Clayton Oliver (1st)
2016 - Max Gawn (3rd)
2015 - Tom McDonald (3rd)
2014 - Nathan Jones (1st)
2013 - Nathan Jones (1st)
2012 - Nathan Jones (1st)
2011 - Jack Trengove (5th)
2010 - Brad Green (1st)
2009 - Aaron Davey (1st)
2008 - Brad Green (3rd)*
2007 - Nathan Jones (2nd)
2006 - Brock McLean (3rd)
2005 - Brent Moloney (3rd)
2004 - Adem Yze (3rd)
2003 - Abandoned after Round 3
2002 - Adem Yze (6th)
2001 - Started in Round 10


Now included is each year being a link to the appropriate 426 thread.​
 

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Round 1 v Bulldogs
10 - Kysaiah Pickett (67)
9 - Max Gawn (57)
8 - Christian Petracca (40)
7 - Jake Lever (32)
6 - Ben Brown (17)

Round 2 v Brisbane
10 - Ben Brown (63)
9 - Jake Lever (39)
8 - Lachie Hunter (18)
7 - Tom Sparrow (16)
6 - Clayton Oliver (12)

Round 3 v Swans
10 - Clayton Oliver (72)
9 - Brodie Grundy (23)
8 - Ed Langdon (21)
7 - Trent Rivers (21)
6 - Kade Chandler (20)

Round 4 v Eagles
10 - Brodie Grundy (63.25)
9 - Tom McDonald (35.5)
8 - Bayley Fritsch (28)
7 - Clayton Oliver (17)
6 - Jack Viney (15)

Round 5 v Essendon
10 - Clayton Oliver (16)
9 - Ed Langdon (10)
8 - Jack Viney (10)
7 - Lachie Hunter (5)
6 - Christian Petracca (3)

Round 6 v Tigers
10 - Jack Viney (49)
9 - Jacob van Rooyen (37)
8 - Kade Chandler (21)
7 - Max Gawn (13)
6 - Ed Langdon (11)

Leader Board after Round 6
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Round 7 v Kangaroos
10 - Kade Chandler (64.545)
9 - Christian Petracca (55.545)
8 - Kysaiah Pickett (19.545)
7 - Clayton Oliver (18.545)
6 - Trent Rivers (15.545)

Round 8 v Suns
10 - Max Gawn (24)
9 - Christian Petracca (24)
8 - Clayton Oliver (19)
7 - Trent Rivers (15)
6 - Jack Viney (14)

Round 9 v Hawks
10 - Trent Rivers (37)
9 - Michael Hibberd (23)
8 - Christian Petracca (22)
7 - Steven May (16)
6 - Jack Viney (10)

Round 10 v Yartapuulti
10 - Michael Hibberd (29)
9 - Trent Rivers (27)
8 - Bayley Fritsch (14)
7 - Clayton Oliver (10)
6 - Christian Petracca (7)

Round 11 v Walyalup
10 - Michael Hibberd (19)
9 - Brodie Grundy (14)
8 - Steven May (14)
7 - Bayley Fritsch (11)
6 - Trent Rivers (7)

Round 12 v Blues
10 - Christian Petracca (52)
9 - Steven May (30)
8 - Judd McVee (22)
7 - Jacob van Rooyen (15)
6 - Jake Bowey (15)

Leader Board after
Round 12
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After 6 rounds, and much to some people's chagrin, Clayton Oliver has been voted to best player for the first quarter of the season.

It's interesting to note that Oliver's score of 33 is the lowest leading score after 6 rounds since 2008, while the 9-point lead is the largest after Round 6 since 2020. 2020 is the last time Viney had season start off this well, with Langdon only just behind in 3rd. With a myriad of players in the teens filling up the rest of the Top 10, it's still anyone's game now that the sprint is over.
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Next week start looking into who has been the best finals player ever for Melbourne.​
 

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These three really have dominated the votes over the last little while, haven't they?

2022 - Clayton Oliver (1st)
2021 - Christian Petracca (2nd)
2020 - Christian Petracca (1st)
2019 - Max Gawn (=1st)
2018 - Max Gawn (1st)
2017 - Clayton Oliver (1st)
2016 - Max Gawn (3rd)
 

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So before the start of the season, I decided to look into who has been the Demon's best finals performer. Considering I've analyised who has done the best in the first and last 6 rounds of the season, naturally, the next step is to look into the last made-up award I talk about at the end of the season. However, there is a difference of course. While the other 2 are guaranteed to happen unless world events play a part, playing finals isn't assured and usually only lasts 2 weeks for the majority who do make it to September footy.

Another thing is the sample size. Since 2001, the Demons have played 14 finals. By comparison, Geelong has played 12 Prelim finals since 2007 alone. So there's not a lot of data to interpolate, nor does it give out any weird results. Well, I guess with circumstances leaving Nathan Jones with 0 points and having 8 finals played since 2018 compared to 6 in the 2002-06 timeframe, I guess it would give out some questionable results for some reading this.

Let's have a look at 2018 to now. It shouldn't be any surprise that Petracca, Oliver and Viney make up the Top 3 for this period. What is a surprise is who isn't currently inside the Top 10. While Gawn should have plenty of time to add to his score, seeing him sit on just 10 points for his 2021 Prelim performance and be equal with Weideman's 2018 Elim game does look out of place, but that's what happens when you only have 1 scoring game.

The top 10 finals players for this era so far go as such.​
Score​
2022 SF​
2022 QF​
2021 GF​
2021 PF​
2021 QF​
2018 PF​
2018 SF​
2018 EF​
Petracca, Christian​
44​
9​
10​
9​
9​
7​
Oliver, Clayton​
36​
8​
9​
10​
9​
Viney, Jack​
31​
8​
7​
10​
6​
Fritsch, Bayley​
24​
7​
9​
8​
Hibberd, Michael​
18​
10​
8​
Petty, Harrison​
18​
10​
8​
Brayshaw, Angus​
15​
8​
7​
Jetta, Neville​
14​
6​
8​
Salem, Christian​
13​
7​
6​
Langdon, Ed​
13​
6.5​
6​
Neal-Bullen, Alex​
13​
6.5​
6​

Now, I could go over the finals results from the early days of the 426 however I'd rather go over the full block of finals the Demons had from 1987 through to 2006. If only there was some book that detailed every VFL/AFL finals game ever played and listed the best players in all of them.

Next Week: Doing that.
 

FootyGuy13

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So I have 3 editions of the same book, The Complete Book of AFL Finals, which goes into detail about every final played from 1897 to 2009 (or 1995 or 1973). Now I get that this has nothing to do with the 426... but oh well, hopefully someone else will find this interesting.

So the next part is about the 1987-2006 period that everyone else on this board seems to have grown-up in. It probably should be split into the 1987-94 and 1998-06 eras that happened, but since there's some overlap with the players I'm combining the 2 so that those players aren't disadvantaged by having their totals split up.

Now it's interesting to think that, outside the main one from the 50s, this is the most successful period Melbourne has ever had. Despite only making 2 Grand Finals for 0 premierships, the Demons played 28 finals over 20 years. Only West Coast (36) and Essendon (31) played more finals over that time frame with Geelong (27), Carlton (24), North Melbourne (24), BrisbaneB/L (23), Adelaide (22), Hawthorn (21) and Sydney (21) all averaging a final per year. Of those 28, 16 were played between 1987 and 1994 and 12 between 1998 and 2006. I think that the better teams would get a week off during finals is the reason why Melbourne raked up that many finals, only in 2000 did the Demons get a break.

When it comes to the players, it's no surprise who takes the top spot with Jim Stynes. I mean, you might be surprised if it was straight after the 1987 Prelim, but his string of 7 finals games from the '88 Grand Final to the '91 Semi speak for themselves. What might be a surprise though is Brett Lovett finishing a close second. His scoring games cover a longer period than Stynes, got BOGs in the '89 and '90 losing Semi-Finals and I don't know if it's just the author of these books having favourites, but he must have been good enough to be a regular player in the Victorian side in those days.

Now we get to the Daniher era of players with Adem Yze finishing 3rd, scoring BOGs from the '00 Quali, '02 and '04 Elim. The only game he missed with scoring any points during that stretch is the '00 Grand Final, for obvious reasons. Finishing up the Top 5 is Jeff White and Travis Johnstone with White scoring 10 points in the '98 Quali and '06 Elim with Johnstone making a late run for points, scoring well in the '02 Semi.


You guys could most definitely have a better analysis of how good these players were, proven by that new thread that Headless started, so I'll just leave the full table here and you guys can pick it apart further.

Score2006 SF2006 EF2005 EF2004 EF2002 SF2002 EF2000 GF2000 PF2000 QF1998 PF1998 SF1998 QF1994 PF1994 SF1994 QF1991 SF1991 EF1990 SF1990 EF1989 SF1989 EF1988 GF1988 PF1988 SF1988 EF1987 PF1987 SF1987 EF
Stynes, Jim671096986109Stynes, Jim
Lovett, Brett657610107799Lovett, Brett
Yze, Adem571081061076Yze, Adem
White, Jeff4810776810White, Jeff
Johnstone, Travis3588109Johnstone, Travis
Stretch, Steven3469910Stretch, Steven
Brown, Nathan33101076Brown, Nathan
Lovell, Andy339888Lovell, Andy
Jackson, Ricky3191066Jackson, Ricky
Johnson, Alan3167810Johnson, Alan
Spalding, Earl319976Spalding, Earl
Yeats, Graeme297688Yeats, Graeme
Viney, Todd286778Viney, Todd
Farmer, Jeff281099Farmer, Jeff
Lyon, Garry2710710Lyon, Garry
Woewodin, Shane278910Woewodin, Shane
Wight, Sean261097Wight, Sean
Bruce, Cameron24969Bruce, Cameron
Green, Brad24789Green, Brad
Ingerson, Anthony24879Ingerson, Anthony
Neitz, David22886Neitz, David
Febey, Steven201010Febey, Steven
Schwarz, David19910Schwarz, David
Powell, Stephen18108Powell, Stephen
Eishold, Simon17710Eishold, Simon
Flower, Robert17710Flower, Robert
Campbell, Tony1688Campbell, Tony
Grinter, Rod1697Grinter, Rod
Lovett, Glenn1688Lovett, Glenn
McLean, Brock1697McLean, Brock
Charles, Sean1596Charles, Sean
McDonald, James1569McDonald, James
Rohde, Peter1596Rohde, Peter
Healy, Greg1468Healy, Greg
Tingay, Stephen1477Tingay, Stephen
Vardy, Peter1367Vardy, Peter
Jakovich, Allen1010Jakovich, Allen
O'Dwyer, Steven1010O'Dwyer, Steven
Carroll, Nathan99Carroll, Nathan
Walsh, Peter99Walsh, Peter
Davey, Aaron88Davey, Aaron
McDonald, Anthony88McDonald, Anthony
Obst, Andrew88Obst, Andrew
Shanahan, Jamie88Shanahan, Jamie
Wilson, Brian88Wilson, Brian
Collins, Matthew77Collins, Matthew
Febey, Matthew77Febey, Matthew
Ferguson, Ryan77Ferguson, Ryan
Hughes, Danny77Hughes, Danny
Rigoni, Guy77Rigoni, Guy
Duursma, Jamie66Duursma, Jamie
Miller, Brad66Miller, Brad
Robertson, Russell66Robertson, Russell
Seecamp, Marcus66Seecamp, Marcus
Whelan, Matthew66Whelan, Matthew
2006 SF2006 EF2005 EF2004 EF2002 SF2002 EF2000 GF2000 PF2000 QF1998 PF1998 SF1998 QF1994 PF1994 SF1994 QF1991 SF1991 EF1990 SF1990 EF1989 SF1989 EF1988 GF1988 PF1988 SF1988 EF1987 PF1987 SF1987 EF

Next Time: The Early Years
 

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P.S. Staggered McLean was only judged our fourth best in the 2006 elimination final. My memory was that he was quite clearly BOG.
Yeah I've rewatched that game a few times. McLean was easily best on.
 

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P.S. Staggered McLean was only judged our fourth best in the 2006 elimination final. My memory was that he was quite clearly BOG.

Robbo had him on stream tonight, surprised as he looks fairly fit still, kind of expected him to stack on the kegs once retired from AFL.
 

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P.S. Staggered McLean was only judged our fourth best in the 2006 elimination final. My memory was that he was quite clearly BOG.

EDIT: Wait, are these the book's ratings, FG?
I'm not sure what the book/s rating is. They're written by "well-known sports writer and researcher of Australian football history" Greame Atkinson with son Brant helping with the 2009 one. Google doesn't give me anything on the guy though so I don't what opinion you guys would have.

Here's the 426 results for comparison though.
Score2006 SF2006 EF2005 EF2004 EF2002 SF2002 EF
Yze, Adem8323
McLean, Brock523
Johnstone, Travis413
Miller, Brad33
Moloney, Brent33
Bruce, Cameron22
Robertson, Russell22
McDonald, James22
Bizzell, Clint211
Vardy, Peter22
Brown, Nathan1.510.5
Green, Brad11
Carroll, Nathan0.50.5
 

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How does one rank the football played 100 years ago to the football played now? We want to compare the stars of today with the legends and greats of yesteryear but how far back is too far back? Despite the lack of finals played back then (including not being in the league for 3 years), Melbourne did have their fair share of champion players and goal-kicking heroes so let's see what names pop up from the early years.

Now there are a few gaps between finals appearances back here as well, we have the 1897, 1900, 1902 section with 6 finals, we have the 1925-26 and 1928 section with 7 finals and right in the middle, the 1915 Semi-Final. So that's as many finals we've had since 2002 over 10 extra years so surely there were a few standouts.

Looking into the 1890s and 1900s, we have Fred McGinis. "A rover of unparalleled skill and class", McGinis had already made a name for himself as a superstar of the game by the time the VFL was started and before he was amongst the best in the Redleg's first premiership alongside George Moodie and Dick Wardill. Though named as a rover, it was considered that McGinis could play any position, "was a beautiful kick of both drop and place, possessed great dash when eluding opponents, a determination in getting the ball and coolness and quickness in passing it on to a teammate". Unfortunately, deteriorating eyesight saw McGinis retire in 1901 at age 27. Such was his fame, the VFL and VFA played against each other for the first time as a fundraiser event for the Tasmanian that could be called the best player of the VFL's first decade.

For the 1920s, there is stiffer competition but for finals specifically (and according to this book), it's Stan Wittman. While tearing it up in the Gippsland league, the club secretary got a tip-off on the way to work about him and, after some convincing on Wittman's end, started at Melbourne in 1924 as the Centre Half-Forward and immediately made an impact. This was especially true in finals, getting or almost getting Best-on-Ground honours in 3 finals including the 1926 victory (alongside captain, dual-Brownlow medalist and Aus Sports Hall-of-Fame Ivor Warne-Smith but missing star centreman Bob Corbett).

Another Gippsland product who did well in finals at the time was Charlie Streeter. Streeter's football journey didn't start until he was 25 (thanks to serving in Gallipoli in WWI) but hit the ground running in a side that went winless in 1919, the year before he joined. The defender would be in his 30s by the time the Fuchsias got back to finals but age hadn't reached Streeter yet as he was named in the Best for all 3 finals of the 1926 series.

Score​
1928 SFR​
1928 SF​
1926 GF​
1926 PF​
1926 SF​
1925 PF​
1925 SF​
1915 SF​
1902 SF​
1900 GF​
1900 PO​
1897 3rd RF​
1897 2nd RF​
1897 1st RF​
Streeter, Charlie​
30​
7​
10​
6​
7​
McGinis, Fred​
30​
10​
10​
10​
Corbett, Bob​
30​
6​
8​
9​
7​
Wittman, Stan​
28​
9​
9​
10​
Wardill, Dick​
26​
7​
10​
9​
Warne-Smith, Ivor​
25​
9​
6​
10​
Collins, Jack​
24​
10​
7​
7​
Moodie, George​
24​
9​
9​
6​
Thomas, Ted​
23​
6​
9​
8​
Herring, Maurie​
21​
6​
9​
6​



Now there's only 1 era of Melbourne finals to go over and it doesn't matter how you rank these players...
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...there are a few players from the 1936-64 era, or the ranking is out of order, or both.​
 

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