Toast 2023 Swans Board Phantom Draft

[sr20]

Collingwood pass

- I think they'll only take two spots in the main draft.

If they have a list spot available, I'd expect them to pick up Ryan Clarke

4

Ryan Clarke

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.8

5star

K

9.1

4star

HB

9.7

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.2

2star

D

18.5

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.5

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

19.6

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

12.6

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.0

1star

to teach Nick Daicos how to handle a tag.

 

[SwansProudly]

Freo have passed (post 383)

GC in debt wouldn't impact Round 5 would it, as picks have zero points to get downgraded?

Does Melbourne have any more picks (doesn't show on the first post)? Same for Pies (after their Rd4 pick).

DQ is St Kilda.

Thanks.
Confession, I've totally confused myself when picks were matched
I was using Lore from List Mgmt. - 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals
Melbourne has pick 93 (6,11, 42, 93)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Whilst I don't think WCE take this bloke he deserves a chance

WCE take Will Lorenz

It's been a weird year for Will where he played more on the wing but his best footy has been as a pure centre clearance midfielder. He's basically what I call "best available" at this point.

WCE are done now, 3 mids and 2 talls.

Dubai Quacker you are up for Fremantle

 

[SwansProudly]

Round 4

57	Fremantle	Joe Fonti	Dubai Quacker
58	Richmond	Jack Delean	rustycrate
59	Richmond	Harvey Johnston	rustycrate
60	Carlton	Phoenix Gothard	The King
61	Port Adelaide	Kane McAuliffe	Bloods86
62	Geelong	PASS	Grand Uncle Horace
63	Carlton	Will Brown	The King!
64	Collingwood	PASS	sr20

Team	User	Original Selections
Adelaide	Dan87	10,14,20	Caleb Windsor	Charlie Edwards	Taylor Goad	off to the pub		DONE
Brisbane	Ticky009	30,39,51,54,67	Joel Freijah	Patrick Snell				PASS
Carlton	The King!	22,28,70	Ollie Murphy	Will Graham	Phoenix Gothard	Will Brown		PASS
Collingwood	sr20	19,33,80	Archer Reid	Luamon Luol				PASS
Essendon	Callipygian	9,31,35,61	Nick Watson	Tew Jiath	Logan Morris	Kade de la Rue		PASS
Fremantle	Dubai Quacker	34,46,60,64	Lance Collard	Koen Sanchez	Clay Hall	Joe Fonti		PASS
Geelong	Grand Uncle Horace	8,25,76	Nate Caddy	George Stevens				PASS
Gold Coast	anotherletdown	24,26,27,32,36,38,66,71	Jed Walter	Ethan Read	Jake Rogers			PASS
Giants	Membling	7,16,43,59,77	Zane Duursma	Harry De Mattia	Cooper Simpson			PASS
Hawthorn	SydneyPhilly	4,44,47,49	Colby McKercher	Will McCabe (F/S Hawthorn)
Melbourne	Kiama Chris	6,11,42, 93	Ryley Sanders	Darcy Wilson	Wil Dawson
North Melbourne	robbieando	2,3,15,17,18,57	Daniel Curtin	Connor O’Sullivan	Mitchell Edwards	Riley Hardeman	Caiden Cleary	PASS
Port Adelaide	Bloods86	73,112,130	Kane McAuliffe
Richmond	rustycrate	29,41 65,68, 86	Archie Roberts	Will Green	Jack Delean	Harvey Johnston		PASS
St Kilda	Dubai Quacker	13,21,40	Koltyn Tholstrup	Ashton Moir	Nathan Philactides			PASS
Sydney	The King!	12,45,65, 91	Arie Schoenmaker	Jack Callinan	Angus Hastie			PASS
West Coast	LukeParkerno1	1,23,37,58	Harley Reid	Zane Zakostelsky	Lachlan Charlson	Will Patton	Will Lorenz	DONE?
Western Bulldogs	robbieando	5,48,50,52,53,56,69	James Leake	Jordan Croft				PASS

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

So my big ? Is whether The King! in selecting 3 has reneged on the Swans commitment to Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

.

 

[SwansProudly]

Players selected end round 4

Caddy	Nate
Charlson	Lachlan
Cleary	Caiden
Collard	Lance
Curtin	Daniel
Dawson	Wil
de la Rue	Kade
Delean	Jack
Duursma	Zane
Edwards	Mitchell
Fonti	Joe
Freijah	Joel
Goad	Taylor
Gothard	Phoenix
Hall	Clay
Hastie	Angus
Hardeman	Riley
Johnston	Harvey
Leake	James
McAuliffe	Kane
McKercher	Colby
Morris	Logan
Murphy	Ollie
Philactides	Nathan
Reid	Archer
Reid	Harley
Roberts	Archie
Rogers	Jake
Sanders	Ryley
Schoenmaker	Arie
Simpson	Cooper
Tholstrup	Koltyn
Walter	Jed
Watson	Nick
Windsor	Caleb

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So my big ? Is whether The King! in selecting 3 has reneged on the Swans commitment to Sam Reid.

No Reid and no Cleary, it's been ruthless from The King!

 

[The King!]

So my big ? Is whether The King! in selecting 3 has reneged on the Swans commitment to Sam Reid.

In this hypothetical world yep we are done Sam

Have asked our social media team to do a tribute and thanks to Reidy- it will be out in June 2024 they tell me

 

[SwansProudly]

Round 5

65	West Coast	Will Lorenz	LukeParkerno1
	Fremantle	PASS	Dubai Quacker
	Hawthorn	PASS	SydneyPhilly
66	Gold Coast	Sam Van Rooyen	anotherletdown
	Richmond	PASS	rustycrate
	Sydney	PASS	The King!
	St Kilda	PASS	Dubai Quacker
	Melbourne	PASS	Kiama Chris
67	Port Adelaide	Vigo Visentini	Bloods86
	Collingwood	PASS	sr20
Round 6
68	Port Adelaide	Reece Torrent	Bloods86

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Weirdly I actually like the strategy from Kingy. I have said multiple times and many on here don't agree I wouldn't have matched earlier than 35 for Cleary, after the Grundy trade probably has changed to pick 30 but I get it from Kingy and the players he picked are worth their selections.

 

[The King!]

Weirdly I actually like the strategy from Kingy. I have said multiple times and many on here don't agree I wouldn't have matched earlier than 35 for Cleary, after the Grundy trade probably has changed to pick 30 but I get it from Kingy and the players he picked are worth their selections.

I am sure Sydney will end up with Cleary and he will probably be fine . But I don't think he is going to be a superstar (just an opinion, hope I am wrong who knows) he also doesn't fill a desperate need, nor does he likely crack seniors anytime soon.

I'd rather look at more desperate needs , but that's probably why I am checking this on a phone between work and not at an AFL club.

I am slightly disappointed we couldn't land James Leake

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Angus Hastie is the sort of name I associate with dubious ex officers in the military who become far right Tory politicians.

 

[The King!]

Maybe alone here but quite like my Carlton haul

 

[Kiama Chris]

Melbourne now has a fourth Pick 93. In the original its last pick was 42. I'm confused. Melbourne passes if it needs to.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I am sure Sydney will end up with Cleary and he will probably be fine . But I don't think he is going to be a superstar (just an opinion, hope I am wrong who knows) he also doesn't fill a desperate need, nor does he likely crack seniors anytime soon.

I'd rather look at more desperate needs , but that's probably why I am checking this on a phone between work and not at an AFL club.

I actually agree, he does seem a late second early 3rd match at best. He does everything "well" so to speak but I'm not sure what scope there is, my query is Roberts can basically do that, that said we likely match and bank the midfield depth at worst.

 

[Bloods86]

SwansProudly I think remainder of Round 5 goes like this based on Dees passing (post 414) and other passes.

Hawks - SydneyPhilly
Gold Coast - anotherletdown
Port - Me

Round 6 would be Hawks, GC if they wanted, then me to finish off? Eagles have passed now.

Because Hawks and GC have picks left, they just have to be in rounds with zero points linked to picks e.g. 5 and 6. Unless they've explicitly passed (I thought they'd said they would take another 1 at least).

 

[Bloods86]

Whilst I don't think WCE take this bloke he deserves a chance

WCE take Will Lorenz

It's been a weird year for Will where he played more on the wing but his best footy has been as a pure centre clearance midfielder. He's basically what I call "best available" at this point.

WCE are done now, 3 mids and 2 talls.

Dubai Quacker you are up for Fremantle

Also, dammit! Was going to be my new 3rd pick after a few others got taken. Back to the drawing board (well, after my 2nd who is locked in unless taken).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Also, dammit! Was going to be my new 3rd pick after a few others got taken. Back to the drawing board (well, after my 2nd who is locked in unless taken).

Too good a player to miss out similar with my last one. He’s one that could be value late.

 

[SwansProudly]

SwansProudly I think remainder of Round 5 goes like this based on Dees passing (post 414) and other passes.

Hawks - SydneyPhilly
Gold Coast - anotherletdown
Port - Me

Round 6 would be Hawks, GC if they wanted, then me to finish off? Eagles have passed now.

Because Hawks and GC have picks left, they just have to be in rounds with zero points linked to picks e.g. 5 and 6. Unless they've explicitly passed (I thought they'd said they would take another 1 at least).

I took anotherletdown didn't want to go further into 2024 debt

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Haven't passed yet... 2 more players I'm thinking of. One a legit option the other more of a rookie type but probably wouldn't last long enough for GC to swoop. Just keeping options open... if LP1/Eagles are still picking I think one of my options will most likely disappear I just wasn't sure...

www.bigfooty.com

so round 5 is
Hawks - SydneyPhilly
Port (you)
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[Bloods86]

I took anotherletdown didn't want to go further into 2024 debt

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Haven't passed yet... 2 more players I'm thinking of. One a legit option the other more of a rookie type but probably wouldn't last long enough for GC to swoop. Just keeping options open... if LP1/Eagles are still picking I think one of my options will most likely disappear I just wasn't sure...

www.bigfooty.com

so round 5 is
Hawks - SydneyPhilly
Port (you)
as per updated post Toast - 2023 Swans Board Phantom Draft

But they can't go further into debt? Unless they are asked to match a bid? They would still have Round 5 and 6 picks if they wanted as that's where picks have zero points anyway (all prior picks with point values were stripped of points). It shouldn't matter if these picks have moved up to picks that would normally have points (as matching and stripping points is a point in time calculation at the bid/match time).

It's possible that Hawks and GC would actually have the first picks of Round 5 before anyone (since that's where earlier picks would be moved to after matching), but that complicates things more. So easier to use ladder position.

The exchange you've quoted has GC saying they are looking at using another pick, not passing?

Maybe I'm wrong but bid matching doesn't remove picks (aside from the 1st used to match to equate to the player taken), it just pushes the remaining back to the appropriate spot, in this case to where picks have no points? Of course, they would need to have list spots.

 

[SwansProudly]

But they can't go further into debt? Unless they are asked to match a bid? They would still have Round 5 and 6 picks if they wanted as that's where picks have zero points anyway (all prior picks with point values were stripped of points). It shouldn't matter if these picks have moved up to picks that would normally have points (as matching and stripping points is a point in time calculation at the bid/match time).

It's possible that Hawks and GC would actually have the first picks of Round 5 before anyone (since that's where earlier picks would be moved to after matching), but that complicates things more. So easier to use ladder position.

The exchange you've quoted has GC saying they are looking at using another pick, not passing?

Maybe I'm wrong but bid matching doesn't remove picks (aside from the 1st used to match to equate to the player taken), it just pushes the remaining back to the appropriate spot, in this case to where picks have no points. Of course, they would need to have list spots.

anotherletdown can you please confirm you have passed?

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Haven't passed yet... 2 more players I'm thinking of. One a legit option the other more of a rookie type but probably wouldn't last long enough for GC to swoop. Just keeping options open... if LP1/Eagles are still picking I think one of my options will most likely disappear I just wasn't sure...

www.bigfooty.com

Still have a list spot, just didn't want to match and go further into 2024 debt​

 

[Bloods86]

anotherletdown can you please confirm you have passed?

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Haven't passed yet... 2 more players I'm thinking of. One a legit option the other more of a rookie type but probably wouldn't last long enough for GC to swoop. Just keeping options open... if LP1/Eagles are still picking I think one of my options will most likely disappear I just wasn't sure...

www.bigfooty.com

Still have a list spot, just didn't want to match and go further into 2024 debt​

Yep that's what I was referring to. Not matching a bid due to debt, but that's different to using a pick that's been pushed back due to an earlier bid that was matched (which sounds like they want to do).

If we get past the next pick, I'll wait.

 

[The King!]

better start again

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

With having Geelong I am already scouring for players in the draft who are 29+.

Heard on SEN that a 50yo registered...

 

[SydneyPhilly]

With the last pick for Hawthorn, we'll take Calsher Dear

I tossed up a Lachlan Cabor bid to make it funny, and wanted one of Delean or Gothard to fall (Gothard moreso) but its alright