List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion

[BrainOfMorbius]

i dont mean to alarm people

but i heard from what i would consider a solid source that lohmann wants to return to victoria

Bummer. Might as well leave him in the reserves in that case.

 

[buttermuffs]

If he goes, it will be because he sees too many in front of him and he wants to play senior footy. Good luck to him and anyone who leaves. Younger people tend to be impatient and I can’t see Lohmann deciding that his AFL career involves playing in the reserves and filling in occasionally if one of a small group of like players is injured.

There’s also every chance another club is I’m his ear saying he’d essentially be guaranteed games if he did the move. So it becomes less of a gamble moving to another club and more of a gamble staying here and waiting for a spot to open up.


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[Nunez]

Has anyone been watching Paddy Dow in Carlton’s VFL team?

Will be available at the end of the season.

Has been killing it, yet Voss will not give him a look.

 

[briztoon]

Bummer. Might as well leave him in the reserves in that case.

Don’t agree with this sentiment.

If he can help us win games, and is the best available player to bring in due to an injury to a small forward, I want him in the team. Especially if it’s the Grand Final.

 

[briztoon]

Has been killing it, yet Voss will not give him a look.

Has his disposal improved?

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Don’t agree with this sentiment.

If he can help us win games, and is the best available player to bring in due to an injury to a small forward, I want him in the team. Especially if it’s the Grand Final.

Fair play, but if it's just a matter of giving another player a rest and rewarding good form in the reserves, I'd prefer others

 

[Nunez]

Has his disposal improved?

It is never going to be elite, but reckon in the right role he could flourish at AFL level. Will never be an A grader, but has some good tools.

 

[Mayestro]

Don’t agree with this sentiment.

If he can help us win games, and is the best available player to bring in due to an injury to a small forward, I want him in the team. Especially if it’s the Grand Final.

And if he does do well improves our position at the trade table.

 

[knaf]

Has anyone been watching Paddy Dow in Carlton’s VFL team?

Will be available at the end of the season.

Looked ok when I watch our game against the Blues. I liked him his draft year.

Who would he replace on our list though. A depth replacement if Dev and Matho leave?

 

[briztoon]

Looked ok when I watch our game against the Blues. I liked him his draft year.

Who would he replace on our list though. A depth replacement if Dev and Matho leave?

He’d be a possible replacement for Zorko.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Lohmann I’d hope for the Tigers second round pick.

Robertson we’d be lucky to get Port’s third rounder off West Coast.

The fact that they have essentially been classified as reserves grade footballers means that our bargaining position is somewhat weakened.

 

[rye]

He’d be a possible replacement for Zorko.

id rather play with 21

 

[M Malice]

He’d be a possible replacement for Zorko.

I'd rather go with one of Jimmy Tunstill, Jaspa Fletcher, Kai Lohmann, Dev Robertson or Jaxon Prior over Paddy Dow, no one is going to play the same style game as Zorko anyway, we just adjust and use what we have.

 

[3KZ is Football]

2023 Unrestricted Free Agents

Nakia Cockatoo

12

Nakia Cockatoo

Age

27

Ht

185cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.1

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.1

5star

G

0.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.2

3star

*
Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

*
Ryan Lester

35

Ryan Lester

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

170.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

140.7

3star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.6

3star

*
Rhys Mathieson

36

Rhys Mathieson

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

9.0

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

*
Daniel Rich

10

Daniel Rich

Age

33

Ht

183cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

430.3

5star

D

14.9

4star

K

13.1

5star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

384.3

5star

D

16.2

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

5.2

5star

Dayne Zorko

15

Dayne Zorko

Age

35

Ht

175cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

8.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

5.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

6.6

5star

CL

1.2

4star

Zorko and Rich will most likely retire. Mathieson will be 27 at the start of next season and I imagine he will leave. Lester will stay if offered his standard one year deal and it is hard to know what Joyce or Cockatoo will do.

 

[M Malice]

2023 Unrestricted Free Agents

Nakia Cockatoo*
Darragh Joyce*
Ryan Lester*
Rhys Mathieson*
Daniel Rich
Dayne Zorko

Zorko and Rich will most likely retire. Mathieson will be 27 at the start of next season and I imagine he will leave. Lester will stay if offered his standard one year deal and it is hard to know what Joyce or Cockatoo will do.

None of those players leaving would be terminally damaging re our flag aspirations going forward over the next few years IMO.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

What happened to the poster that called that out on draft night?

 

[briztoon]

I'd rather go with one of Jimmy Tunstill, Jaspa Fletcher, Kai Lohmann, Dev Robertson or Jaxon Prior over Paddy Dow, no one is going to play the same style game as Zorko anyway, we just adjust and use what we have.

In bringing up Dow, there’s the assumption that Dev, Prior and Lohmann are all gone. And possibly one of Lyons or Mathieson, as has been mentioned in previous posts in this current discussion.

I believe a combination in the change of rules, and new game styles the change in rules are encouraging, don’t leave room for the likes of Lyons and Mathieson at AFL level.

However I do believe there is a place for players like Lester, Lyons, Mathieson, etc at VFL level, as leaders and on field coaches for younger developing, if such players are happy in such a role (and on close to minimum salary).

I’d much rather there be a senior core in our VFL team, that helps keep it competitive, rather than it be chock full of youngsters being flogged every week.

 

[irel]

What happened to the poster that called that out on draft night?

No one can argue that was in hindsight.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

No one can argue that was in hindsight.

Little backstory, but I remember getting a little battering on draft night from some members on our club forum for questioning who he actually was and why we went for another small forward with our 2nd pick (Pick 20) even when we have a spoiled choice to choose from at the club.

However, looking at retrospective now and there really isn’t anyone (so far in their careers) that I would chosen otherwise so I will admit to say I thought wrong in terms of long-term potential and talent.

In saying that though, would have loved to get Jacob Van Rooyen with that pick though, if Melbourne didn’t select him beforehand but the club “apparently” didn’t rate him as highly as Lohmann in that underage year and also is best mates with Sharp as well so the club might have thought it would be a safe option instead.

 

[briztoon]

Little backstory, but I remember getting a little battering on draft night from some members on our club forum for questioning who he actually was and why we went for another small forward with our 2nd pick (Pick 20) even when we have a spoiled choice to choose from at the club.

However, looking at retrospective now and there really isn’t anyone (so far in their careers) that I would chosen otherwise so I will admit to say I thought wrong in terms of long-term potential and talent.

In saying that though, would have loved to get Jacob Van Rooyen with that pick though, if Melbourne didn’t select him beforehand but the club “apparently” didn’t rate him as highly as Lohmann in that underage year and also is best mates with Sharp as well so the club might have thought it would be a safe option instead.

Club rated Van Rooyen ahead of Lohmann from what I remember.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Club rated Van Rooyen ahead of Lohmann from what I remember.

Well, I have a personal message for the Melbourne Football Club for choosing JVR the pick before us then



*- At least Wilmot has been a beauty in his short career so far with us

 

[JasRulz63]

Club rated Van Rooyen ahead of Lohmann from what I remember.

I thought someone said we rated Lohmann ahead of JVR at the time from the draft event.

 

[M Malice]

Club rated Van Rooyen ahead of Lohmann from what I remember.

Yes that is the way I remember that draft night function and what was implied in the underbelly of the Gabba.

 

[Nathan Barley]

van Rooyen would’ve been perfect

 

[3KZ is Football]

None of those players leaving would be terminally damaging re our flag aspirations going forward over the next few years IMO.

Agreed. More concerning would be a situation where players started asking to be traded.