List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[70s sainter]

I'm interested to know who people would trade to improve our hand in the draft and trade arena's this off-season? There's a lot of talk about who should be chopped, but if we want to make step changes to the quality of our list we need to offer up a player/players with real value on the market.

Everyone keeps focusing on who we should jettison, but keep in mind, if they are serious about improving the list deficiencies we need to offer something of value. I know the list management team already have a plan, but what do us plebs think?

It's got to be someone we either already have cover for, or we have kids developing that will provide cover for in the medium term.

Exactly- membrey , Gresham have some value , if they have someone in mind to replace Howard - do it . Ross won’t get us anything so might as well keep him , we needs more mids not less . Could we trade battle ? Not sure .

 

[Diehard Saint]

We've never been proactive always late to the party

Not sure how you’d know that and I doubt it.

 

[gringo2011]

I think that with Wood, it was more that he was given a role that suited his strengths.
Didn't North always use him as a forward?

Yeah, wanted him to be a KPF and he was always better as a runner where he could find space. Injury and fluctuating form did the rest. Billings is probably projecting in a similar way. Doesn't really know where his best spot is and injury and uneven form has cost him.

 

[gringo2011]

I'm interested to know who people would trade to improve our hand in the draft and trade arena's this off-season? There's a lot of talk about who should be chopped, but if we want to make step changes to the quality of our list we need to offer up a player/players with real value on the market.

Everyone keeps focusing on who we should jettison, but keep in mind, if they are serious about improving the list deficiencies we need to offer something of value. I know the list management team already have a plan, but what do us plebs think?

It's got to be someone we either already have cover for, or we have kids developing that will provide cover for in the medium term.

Well apart from Gresham and Clark I don't think that's it's a sound plan selling off your better players. Selling your blue chip stocks to by tattslotto tickets isn't a solid business model. Howard is probably one we could look at but if we don't replace him we look thin down back.

 

[botts]

James harmes

22

James Harmes

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

16.3

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.2

2star

is dropped for the dees game. He would probably be a walk up start in our midfield. Good mates with battle I think as well

 

[gringo2011]

James harmes is dropped for the dees game. He would probably be a walk up start in our midfield. Good mates with battle I think as well

He probably would but he's so unlikable.

 

[DougalHoward]

James harmes is dropped for the dees game. He would probably be a walk up start in our midfield. Good mates with battle I think as well

An ITK posted he wanted to come to us

 

[MrFoster]

Well apart from Gresham and Clark I don't think that's it's a sound plan selling off your better players. Selling your blue chip stocks to by tattslotto tickets isn't a solid business model. Howard is probably one we could look at but if we don't replace him we look thin down back.

Gresham = 2nd round compensation
Membrey = late 2nd round
Billings = 3rd round
Jack Bytel = 4th round
Clark = 2nd round
Howard = 2nd round
Zac Jones = 3rd round

That’s four 2nd round, two third round, and a 4th. Plus our own set of draft picks this year and next.

Plenty of flexibility to package up for early picks, or trade.

If we really want to be aggressive, can trade Marshall for a first round.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I know we all know he's a star, but watching norf v dons game - I would give one of me plums to get LDU in our team.
Farrrk me he's a jet. Burst pace, high footy IQ, makes the right choices, contested weapon and has actual good skills. Hits bullet passes by hand and foot to teammates.
Would be bloody nice.

Hawthorn were tracking for bottom 4 that year and got moving late. We could have had a pick around there with luck.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Flanders is such a jet. A midfield core of Owens, Phillipou and Flanders would really be something to build around.

Yep he is a must get for the Saints, make him a deal he cant refuse SOS & Gubby!

I dont agree with those wanting to move Membrey on, he has been such a 'war horse' for the club we forget how good he was ater a year on the side lines. Obviously we have other options lined up if we are offering to move Howard on?

I do agree with moving on players who are teases like Clark, Gresham & Billings.

 

[L_W_P]

Name the marquee game Geelong plays in again?

It's laughable you think a player that has a finite career would take unders so they could play in the ANZAC eve game, must be why North keep getting the big trades done because they have the Good Friday game.

And 100k members is a draw because it doesn't impact how much they get paid, heave much more scrutiny and pressure on them, yep, who wouldn't wa t to take less money for that pleasure?

Geelong are a unique beast.

They get the Easter Monday game vs the Hawks but they also enjoy the best home ground advantage in the sport.

You're right in that there will always be players who are looking to max their $$, and we will be in with a shout for those players, but for the majority of players the Saints would be well down the list of Vic clubs to play for.

Clubs offer those intangibles in place of cash because it helps them build stronger teams and keep competitive longer.

If all 10 clubs had the same contract on the table we would be close to last picked because we don't have those intangibles to offer.

 

[Bevoman]

Exactly- membrey , Gresham have some value , if they have someone in mind to replace Howard - do it . Ross won’t get us anything so might as well keep him , we needs more mids not less . Could we trade battle ? Not sure .

Dougle Howard: try and get something back before he is delisted

 

[gringo2011]

Gresham = 2nd round compensation
Membrey = late 2nd round
Billings = 3rd round
Jack Bytel = 4th round
Clark = 2nd round
Howard = 2nd round
Zac Jones = 3rd round

That’s four 2nd round, two third round, and a 4th. Plus our own set of draft picks this year and next.

Plenty of flexibility to package up for early picks, or trade.

If we really want to be aggressive, can trade Marshall for a first round.

Doubt that we get that back for most of them. Bytel and Jones would be worth nothing. Billings and Membrey hard to know what anyone would give for them. We'd have to replace Howard with someone. Got to weigh up what a replacement would cost.

 

[BrutThough]

Gresham = 2nd round compensation
Membrey = late 2nd round
Billings = 3rd round
Jack Bytel = 4th round
Clark = 2nd round
Howard = 2nd round
Zac Jones = 3rd round

That’s four 2nd round, two third round, and a 4th. Plus our own set of draft picks this year and next.

Plenty of flexibility to package up for early picks, or trade.

If we really want to be aggressive, can trade Marshall for a first round.

There is being aggressive and there is being stupid.

No point gutting the list for fun if all it's going to do is leave you like North Melbourne, filling over 10 list spots with late picks from one of the shallowest drafts in recent memory. That doesn't improve anyone.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Dougle Howard: try and get something back before he is delisted

He’s not getting delisted.

 

[True Believer]

If we really want to be aggressive, can trade Marshall for a first round.

He's the one I would pick. The one with some real value, we have two very likely prospects already on the list and we can trade a lower pick for a senior journey-man ruck to fill the gap for a year or two. If we could do a deal with GCS that see us upgrade a second rounder we could add some genuine top end draft talent to to the mids and trade in the likes of Flanders and Henry and whomever else that are ready to go now. A premium ruckman is useless to us with our special needs midfield.........

 

[Diehard Saint]

He's the one I would pick. The one with some real value, we have two very likely prospects already on the list and we can trade a lower pick for a senior journey-man ruck to fill the gap for a year or two. If we could do a deal with GCS that see us upgrade a second rounder we could add some genuine top end draft talent to to the mids and trade in the likes of Flanders and Henry and whomever else that are ready to go now. A premium ruckman is useless to us with our special needs midfield.........

Would be ballsy. Don’t mind it.

 

[saintvic]

**I have a ticket question
My daughter and I have 2 reserved tickets, she can’t go tomorrow so transferred the ticket for me to give to someone else.
The ticket has transferred to my saint’s membership app but there’s no bar code on it and no way to transfer it to my wallet app.
Is this usual??
This boomer would appreciate some help please

Oops posted in wrong thread

 

[Sully111]

I think we should build the midfield around Sinclair, Owens and Windy.

 

[bird_man]

I don’t like any of the convoluted rules that compromise the draft but we got Owens and Windhager cheaply, so as far as academies go we’re not the unluckiest club. But I do worry that Riewoldt’s boys will end up elsewhere due to a rule change the night before the draft in which James goes at pick 1.

Not sure what is making people assume Riewoldt's sons are just going to be stars

 

[bird_man]

Exactly- membrey , Gresham have some value , if they have someone in mind to replace Howard - do it . Ross won’t get us anything so might as well keep him , we needs more mids not less . Could we trade battle ? Not sure .

Membrey wont have a great deal of value at his age unfortunately.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Not sure what is making people assume Riewoldt's sons are just going to be stars

Oh they will be….






in the NFL.

 

[Premium]

Membrey wont have a great deal of value at his age unfortunately.

However trading him gets us to offload more salary and he could easily help in securing a trade for a player.
However he is contracted and he would want to leave so it all depends how he feels at the club.
The next 3 games are going to be important for him to prove his value to the club , because we now have players who can fill his role as we saw Owens doing it very well.

I hoping he has a few outstanding games and gets us into the finals , because we know when he is at his best he is a very good player.

 

[bird_man]

However trading him gets us to offload more salary and he could easily help in securing a trade for a player.
However he is contracted and he would want to leave so it all depends how he feels at the club.
The next 3 games are going to be important for him to prove his value to the club , because we now have players who can fill his role as we saw Owens doing it very well.

I hoping he has a few outstanding games and gets us into the finals , because we know when he is at his best he is a very good player.

We are going to need Owens to be playing a lot more midfield if we are ever going to improve.

If we are desperate to free up some cap space to get someone in than it might make sense, but just don't expect to get a lot of value for him.

 

[sammm]

Gresham = 2nd round compensation
Membrey = late 2nd round
Billings = 3rd round
Jack Bytel = 4th round
Clark = 2nd round
Howard = 2nd round
Zac Jones = 3rd round

That’s four 2nd round, two third round, and a 4th. Plus our own set of draft picks this year and next.

Plenty of flexibility to package up for early picks, or trade.

If we really want to be aggressive, can trade Marshall for a first round.

Zac Jones =nothing