2nds 2023 VFL thread

[Royboy1961]

I just wanted to make a comment on Answerth as a few comments have been made that he is not an AFL standard player. We have played him mainly in the backline in the 1sts and trialled him on the wing at times with reasonable success in trial matches. He is currently being used in the centre square in the reserves and is performing OK. Developing his versatility is not going to hurt him. So what are his strengths and weaknesses? He is a great role player who sticks to his task when given one. As a lockdown backman he performs admirably but does not have any athletic weapons. He is not slow but not fast either, he is not that tall either, his disposal is passable mainly due to trying to dispose of the ball quickly after receiving it, and he can find the ball OK if given that latitude by his coach. Last year our backline was a little slow and lacked X Factor to bring the ball forward. We relied on our kicking for ball movement and intercepting to get the ball in the first place. This is why we have introduced MCKenna and at times Wilmott into our half backline. So although Answerth is a capable AFL player he does not have a position in our 1sts at the moment due to coaches experimenting with our best side. He is tracking well in the 2nds at the moment and developing his craft in different positions this can only be a plus for the future. For me he is in our best 26 players and will get an opportunity in the future. He is a role player in our side. Not all players need to be A Graders and if they all were we couldn’t have them in our side any way due to salary cap restrictions. He is a solid citizen, great role player and always gives his best so what more can our fans ask?

 

[knaf]

Thanks for the correction Denno I was a little confused myself seeing different spelling and pronunciation of his surname

Being dislexic (whatever) I just go with Noah. Easier for me to proof read. And I agree completely with your longer post on his development. I thought he was impressive in the half I watched. Good on the inside and provided run and carry

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[Denno]

Thanks for the correction Denno I was a little confused myself seeing different spelling and pronunciation of his surname

Ha - all good

P.S. - agree with your analysis too. At the moment, unfortunately, looking like a fringe/depth player, but a good one to have. Think Wilmot's development and McKenna coming on board has squeezed him out. May not have the most polished skills, but when it's his time to go, he does (unlike a certain opposition player in the past few weeks ).

All he can do is keep performing and wait for an opportunity.

 

[McIvor]

Being dislexic (whatever) I just go with Noah. Easier for me to proof read. And I agree completely with your longer post on his development. I thought he was impressive in the half I watched. Good on the inside and provided run and carry

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Same Knaf - hence my writing is worse than an a grade one on occasions. Sometimes when I see that someone has quoted from a few days previous, I see my original post and think I look like I was drunk when I made the post (I wasn't b/c Im not much of a drinker) and on other occasions I actually think I make a coherent argument. I did get Grammarly, but I'm not sure that has helped signifcantly.

As for Answerth, I can tell the difference in the names but how hard is it for commentators, I mean do they call Suns Ainsworth, Answerth. Don't quite get it myself.

 

[Viceregal]

Same Knaf - hence my writing is worse than an a grade one on occasions. Sometimes when I see that someone has quoted from a few days previous, I see my original post and think I look like I was drunk when I made the post (I wasn't b/c Im not much of a drinker) and on other occasions I actually think I make a coherent argument. I did get Grammarly, but I'm not sure that has helped signifcantly.

As for Answerth, I can tell the difference in the names but how hard is it for commentators, I mean do they call Suns Ainsworth, Answerth. Don't quite get it myself.

They probably learned 'ainsworth' during the discussions on his draft year as he was in the mix for the top end and 'answerth' never had the same publicity.

Since they are both in Qld it doesn't really matter ... perhaps 'tis the cynic in me but I am pretty sure that if Answerth played for Collingwood they would not still be confusing his name with Ainsworth (well maybe Robbo ... )

 

[T Rick]

I just wanted to make a comment on Answerth as a few comments have been made that he is not an AFL standard player. We have played him mainly in the backline in the 1sts and trialled him on the wing at times with reasonable success in trial matches. He is currently being used in the centre square in the reserves and is performing OK. Developing his versatility is not going to hurt him. So what are his strengths and weaknesses? He is a great role player who sticks to his task when given one. As a lockdown backman he performs admirably but does not have any athletic weapons. He is not slow but not fast either, he is not that tall either, his disposal is passable mainly due to trying to dispose of the ball quickly after receiving it, and he can find the ball OK if given that latitude by his coach. Last year our backline was a little slow and lacked X Factor to bring the ball forward. We relied on our kicking for ball movement and intercepting to get the ball in the first place. This is why we have introduced MCKenna and at times Wilmott into our half backline. So although Answerth is a capable AFL player he does not have a position in our 1sts at the moment due to coaches experimenting with our best side. He is tracking well in the 2nds at the moment and developing his craft in different positions this can only be a plus for the future. For me he is in our best 26 players and will get an opportunity in the future. He is a role player in our side. Not all players need to be A Graders and if they all were we couldn’t have them in our side any way due to salary cap restrictions. He is a solid citizen, great role player and always gives his best so what more can our fans ask?

He is also an incredibly courageous player - never takes a backward step and always willing to fill the hole at great personal risk.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I just wanted to make a comment on Answerth as a few comments have been made that he is not an AFL standard player. We have played him mainly in the backline in the 1sts and trialled him on the wing at times with reasonable success in trial matches. He is currently being used in the centre square in the reserves and is performing OK. Developing his versatility is not going to hurt him. So what are his strengths and weaknesses? He is a great role player who sticks to his task when given one. As a lockdown backman he performs admirably but does not have any athletic weapons. He is not slow but not fast either, he is not that tall either, his disposal is passable mainly due to trying to dispose of the ball quickly after receiving it, and he can find the ball OK if given that latitude by his coach. Last year our backline was a little slow and lacked X Factor to bring the ball forward. We relied on our kicking for ball movement and intercepting to get the ball in the first place. This is why we have introduced MCKenna and at times Wilmott into our half backline. So although Answerth is a capable AFL player he does not have a position in our 1sts at the moment due to coaches experimenting with our best side. He is tracking well in the 2nds at the moment and developing his craft in different positions this can only be a plus for the future. For me he is in our best 26 players and will get an opportunity in the future. He is a role player in our side. Not all players need to be A Graders and if they all were we couldn’t have them in our side any way due to salary cap restrictions. He is a solid citizen, great role player and always gives his best so what more can our fans ask?

I think due to his poor disposal his best hope is as a lockdown defender but we've got Starce already. Haven't really seen what he's like in traffic too much though

 

[Still Me]

The Lions run a huge risk of losing Answerth, Lohmann, Robertson, because of lack of changes they make at selection table. Answerth would be a walk up at most AFL Clubs.

He had more pressure acts in VFL than anyone on both sides and more than any player in seniors.

They seem to give several senior players plenty of mulligans (as Fagan calls it) playing badly for several weeks but keep their spots because they win or get another chance.

They seem to just rotate the same players either in and out of side or as the sub.

No real pressure on certain senior players. Can’t believe that Mcarthy, Berry, Wilmot, Rayner etc have not even looked like spending time in VFL this year.

 

[Dalions]

The Lions run a huge risk of losing Answerth, Lohmann, Robertson, because of lack of changes they make at selection table. Answerth would be a walk up at most AFL Clubs.

He had more pressure acts in VFL than anyone on both sides and more than any player in seniors.

They seem to give several senior players plenty of mulligans (as Fagan calls it) playing badly for several weeks but keep their spots because they win or get another chance.

They seem to just rotate the same players either in and out of side or as the sub.

No real pressure on certain senior players. Can’t believe that Mcarthy, Berry, Wilmot, Rayner etc have not even looked like spending time in VFL this year.

If the Lions had an injury list as long as Collingwoods, then I have no doubt there would be much more rotation of players through the list.

Both Lohmann and Answerth are coming back from off season injuries along with Gardiner as well.

Dev is sitting right on the edge of the 22 which is why he has been sub on a few occasions.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Dev is sitting right on the edge of the 22 which is why he has been sub on a few occasions.

Victorian clubs tipped to join race for Brisbane midfielder Deven Robertson

The 21-year-old is off-contract in 2023.

www.zerohanger.com

Interesting to see that Victorian clubs could put their hand up for Dev as well, which could make it more likely or not he leaves at the end of the year (if no opportunities arise at AFL level).

 

[morsie]

Victorian clubs tipped to join race for Brisbane midfielder Deven Robertson

The 21-year-old is off-contract in 2023.

www.zerohanger.com

Interesting to see that Victorian clubs could put their hand up for Dev as well, which could make it more likely or not he leaves at the end of the year (if no opportunities arise at AFL level).

You can't play everyone and its likely we will be punished for our excellent injury managementx .Long may it continue as at one stage it seemed like half the list was always injured.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

You can't play everyone and its likely we will be punished for our excellent injury managementx .Long may it continue as at one stage it seemed like half the list was always injured.

Looks like I will have to join the Will and Levi Ashcroft hype train full-time then it seems

 

[M Malice]

Victorian clubs tipped to join race for Brisbane midfielder Deven Robertson

The 21-year-old is off-contract in 2023.

www.zerohanger.com

Interesting to see that Victorian clubs could put their hand up for Dev as well, which could make it more likely or not he leaves at the end of the year (if no opportunities arise at AFL level).

Some competition for Dev's signature will be good for us, should get a slightly higher draft pick for him... I would prefer he stays though.

 

[dlanod]

The Lions run a huge risk of losing Answerth, Lohmann, Robertson, because of lack of changes they make at selection table. Answerth would be a walk up at most AFL Clubs.

As happens with literally every club, yes if players don't make the seniors at one club but are at another, they will generally move on. It even happens more commonly at good clubs, because the reserves players are often even better options than those at others but can't crack the seniors. I get that it's to other clubs' advantage for Brisbane to pick a worse team just to keep reserves players happy, but I'm not sold on it as a great way to ensure success. I don't recall Geelong, Richmond, Hawthorn, Sydney, etc, gifting games to reserves players just for the hell of it, and even ones that frequently rotated players through as bit players (Geelong) still lost a number of those to other clubs, many to us.

 

[briztoon]

The Lions run a huge risk of losing Answerth, Lohmann, Robertson, because of lack of changes they make at selection table. Answerth would be a walk up at most AFL Clubs.

He had more pressure acts in VFL than anyone on both sides and more than any player in seniors.

They seem to give several senior players plenty of mulligans (as Fagan calls it) playing badly for several weeks but keep their spots because they win or get another chance.

They seem to just rotate the same players either in and out of side or as the sub.

No real pressure on certain senior players. Can’t believe that Mcarthy, Berry, Wilmot, Rayner etc have not even looked like spending time in VFL this year.

Answerth will be solid depth and a good (but cheap) clubman like Mathieson.

I would be shocked if there were clubs chasing him.

Lohman has had an injury interrupted couple of years. He has to get himself healthy and playing consistently at reserve level, before pushing for senior selection.

Robertson in some way is a victim of his own loyalty. He had a chance to join West Coast last offseason (discussions were had), but chose to stay one more year.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

The Lions run a huge risk of losing Answerth, Lohmann, Robertson, because of lack of changes they make at selection table. Answerth would be a walk up at most AFL Clubs.

He had more pressure acts in VFL than anyone on both sides and more than any player in seniors.

They seem to give several senior players plenty of mulligans (as Fagan calls it) playing badly for several weeks but keep their spots because they win or get another chance.

They seem to just rotate the same players either in and out of side or as the sub.

No real pressure on certain senior players. Can’t believe that Mcarthy, Berry, Wilmot, Rayner etc have not even looked like spending time in VFL this year.

I always like reading your post, but I disagree with a good proportion of this one.

Answerth in previous years appeared to a favourite of the selection committee, despite having poor kicking ability. Love his effort, but in the fringe is probably about right. Probably being edged out by Prior at the moment and Wilmot who offers a bit more dash.

Lohmann got a taste last year, but has been a bit inconsistent and probably needs to work on the grunt side of his game, rather than the flashy stuff. That's why McCarthy's stayed in the seniors despite his goal tally being way down.

Robertson has been given many chances at seniot, but never really seems to show consistency - can have a huge week, then go for 8 disposals the week after.

Could they rotate players a little more? Possibly. But when you're trying to build cohesion, I can see why they err on the side of the keeping the one crew together as much as possible.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I don't have Dev best 22 but I could see him replace Zorko should he retire. Not a like for like but can come into the midfield rotations

 

[Still Me]

I always like reading your post, but I disagree with a good proportion of this one.

Answerth in previous years appeared to a favourite of the selection committee, despite having poor kicking ability. Love his effort, but in the fringe is probably about right. Probably being edged out by Prior at the moment and Wilmot who offers a bit more dash.

Lohmann got a taste last year, but has been a bit inconsistent and probably needs to work on the grunt side of his game, rather than the flashy stuff. That's why McCarthy's stayed in the seniors despite his goal tally being way down.

Robertson has been given many chances at seniot, but never really seems to show consistency - can have a huge week, then go for 8 disposals the week after.

Could they rotate players a little more? Possibly. But when you're trying to build cohesion, I can see why they err on the side of the keeping the one crew together as much as possible.

It’s all good that’s what these forums are about in regards having an opinion.

Lions have played Melbourne and Collingwood both st right time. Their defensive structure got exposed badly against both Port and Dogs.

I still think Noah should be in side as he defends a lot better than Wilmot and can probably more versatile.

Can’t have Rich, Coleman, Wilmot all unaccountable defensively against good sides.

I agree on Lohmann as his form hasn’t warranted him playing seniors but Lincoln has been very average for most games this year and probably needed a stint in VFL to recapture form.

I suppose time will tell.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Strange coaches votes

Brisbane Lions 18.8 (116) def Southport Sharks 14.13 (97)
6 Tom Fullarton (BL)
5 Nakia Cockatoo

12

Nakia Cockatoo

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.1

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.1

5star

G

0.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.2

3star

(BL)
5 Jacob Dawson

45

Jacob Dawson

Age

26

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

8.1

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

(SS)
5 Rhys Mathieson

36

Rhys Mathieson

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

9.0

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

(BL)
3 Noah Answerth

43

Noah Answerth

Age

26

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

MG

208.9

3star

D

15.0

4star

K

15.0

5star

HB

0.0

1star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

MG

357.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

179.2

3star

(BL)
3 Deven Robertson

40

Deven Robertson

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

(BL)
2 Fraser Thurlow (SS)
1 Boyd Woodcock (SS)

 

[Dalions]

It’s all good that’s what these forums are about in regards having an opinion.

Lions have played Melbourne and Collingwood both st right time. Their defensive structure got exposed badly against both Port and Dogs.

I still think Noah should be in side as he defends a lot better than Wilmot and can probably more versatile.

Can’t have Rich, Coleman, Wilmot all unaccountable defensively against good sides.

I agree on Lohmann as his form hasn’t warranted him playing seniors but Lincoln has been very average for most games this year and probably needed a stint in VFL to recapture form.

I suppose time will tell.

Most on here would have agreed with you, re Linc a couple of weeks ago.
But his role in the team the last couple of weeks (and in all of our wins) has been undeniable.
A lot of little things that go unnoticed, but creating opportunities for others.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

It’s all good that’s what these forums are about in regards having an opinion.

Lions have played Melbourne and Collingwood both st right time. Their defensive structure got exposed badly against both Port and Dogs.

I still think Noah should be in side as he defends a lot better than Wilmot and can probably more versatile.

Can’t have Rich, Coleman, Wilmot all unaccountable defensively against good sides.

I agree on Lohmann as his form hasn’t warranted him playing seniors but Lincoln has been very average for most games this year and probably needed a stint in VFL to recapture form.

I suppose time will tell.

Coleman , yes , he needs to be more accountable.
His hard tackling was his game changing asset, or his point of difference, such a great tecknique when he makes them.
More of that and I think he would gain that confidence back to give those accurate kicks off.

 

[Section 5]

It’s all good that’s what these forums are about in regards having an opinion.

Lions have played Melbourne and Collingwood both st right time. Their defensive structure got exposed badly against both Port and Dogs.

I still think Noah should be in side as he defends a lot better than Wilmot and can probably more versatile.

Can’t have Rich, Coleman, Wilmot all unaccountable defensively against good sides.

I agree on Lohmann as his form hasn’t warranted him playing seniors but Lincoln has been very average for most games this year and probably needed a stint in VFL to recapture form.

I suppose time will tell.

Just like to point out that Wilmot has played the vast majority of his TOG as a wing since round 1.
Unless you are talking about his defensive role as a winger.

 

[knaf]

Strange coaches votes

Brisbane Lions 18.8 (116) def Southport Sharks 14.13 (97)
6 Tom Fullarton (BL)
5 Nakia Cockatoo (BL)
5 Jacob Dawson (SS)
5 Rhys Mathieson (BL)
3 Noah Answerth (BL)
3 Deven Robertson (BL)
2 Fraser Thurlow (SS)
1 Boyd Woodcock (SS)

I only watched the first half and I guess I would have had the five Lions players in the votes, but not in that order. I guess you think the order is wrong. Including for the SS players who got a lot of the ball.

reluctant to say this but it was the most impressed I have been with Fullerton. He looked like he was physically capable of playing the role of a key position player. Perhaps both coaches gave him an encouragement vote?

 

[a mayes ing]

Some competition for Dev's signature will be good for us, should get a slightly higher draft pick for him... I would prefer he stays though.

Doubt it. These days, it doesn't matter if all the clubs are after him, if Dev leaves then he will nominate a club adn we will deal with them exclusively, hopefully they have good draft picks. However, l doubt we will get much more than a 3rd round draft pick

 

[Still Me]

Doubt it. These days, it doesn't matter if all the clubs are after him, if Dev leaves then he will nominate a club adn we will deal with them exclusively, hopefully they have good draft picks. However, l doubt we will get much more than a 3rd round draft pick

The problem is you waste 3 and 4 years development on these players and have to start same process over again on a similar player starting out.

That’s what sends clubs backwards. It’s a delicate situation with Lions list with probably 6-7 players at least being delisted at end of year you don’t need another 3 or 4 on top of that because they haven’t been managed right via enough opportunities.