Brownlow 2024 Brownlow Medal Count - Congrats Patrick Cripps!

[RCAB]

Astounding the 2024 Brownlow Medal thread has turn into yet another Martin appreciation thread by the Martin fanbois, in a year the man himself - where he was poised to leap ahead of other greats of the game for total Brownlow votes - polled a solitary vote...

Martin > Collingwood. Ouch.

 

[Fadge]

Martin > Collingwood. Ouch.

How would that be?

Richmond are just lucky other teams knocked Collingwood out of the finals in their 2019/20 premiership years, otherwise we all know the season outcomes would have been very different...

 

[Lunchtime]

How would that be?

Richmond are just lucky other teams knocked Collingwood out of the finals in their 2019/20 premiership years, otherwise we all know the season outcomes would have been very different...

Probably more of a negative reflection on Collingwood for being knocked out and not being good enough. Gee that 2019 Preliminary Final...close margin....losing to GWS by not much...couldn't get over the line. Like I said, a bad reflection on Collingwood during those years.

 

[Worm4]

If you are really that desperate that you need to include Daicos' rookie season in an effort to argue Cripps is a better footballer than him, go for your life...

Oh dear, where do we start.
Hey , let's deliberately ignore 2022 where , surprise surprise, Cripps won the brownlow.
Point being, Cripps is the current Big Dog , and pies supporters don't like it because the stats don't back it up.
Perhaps don't be so desperate to ignore Nick's full career just because Cripps has it well and truly covered to this point

 

[Fadge]

Oh dear, where do we start.
Hey , let's deliberately ignore 2022 where , surprise surprise, Cripps won the brownlow.
Point being, Cripps is the current Big Dog , and pies supporters don't like it because the stats don't back it up.
Perhaps don't be so desperate to ignore Nick's full career just because Cripps has it well and truly covered to this point

Not when forecasting who is more likely to be the better footballer over the course of their careers.

But again, given you're so desperate, over the past three seasons, Cripps in his 9th, 10th and 11th years of his career, has a 2 v. 1 advantage over Daicos in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd years of his career...

 

[Worm4]

How would that be?

Richmond are just lucky other teams knocked Collingwood out of the finals in their 2019/20 premiership years, otherwise we all know the season outcomes would have been very different...

Imagining , again

 

[Fadge]

Probably more of a negative reflection on Collingwood for being knocked out and not being good enough. Gee that 2019 Preliminary Final...close margin....losing to GWS by not much...couldn't get over the line. Like I said, a bad reflection on Collingwood during those years.

Indeed.

Unfortunately Collingwood were only fielding their 10th and 11th best teams they've had since the turn of the century in those years....

If only we'd been a little better and had something like our 7th and 8th best teams, we would have taken advantage of the weakest era I have seen in my nearly five decades of watching football...

 

[Worm4]

Not when forecasting who is more likely to be the better footballer over the course of their careers.

But again, given you're so desperate, over the past three seasons, Cripps in his 9th, 10th and 11th years of his career, has a 2 v. 1 advantage over Daicos in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd years of his career...

Who is talking forecasts ? You
I'm talking current , today , as it stands

 

[Fadge]

Who is talking forecasts ? You
I'm talking current , today , as it stands

As it stands, the general population rate Daicos ahead of Cripps.

We have shared plenty of references in this thread with analysts, commentators, past players/coaches rating Daicos as the best player in the game.

Not sure I've seen many if any saying the same thing about your boy Cripps...

 

[Worm4]

As it stands, the general population rate Daicos ahead of Cripps.

We have shared plenty of references in this thread with analysts, commentators, past players/coaches rating Daicos as the best player in the game.

Not sure I've seen many if any saying the same thing about your boy Cripps...

You are in the wrong thread Fadge. You need to direct this theory to the Can he be the GOAT thread.
This thread is about congratulating Patrick Cripps on winning the brownlow medal
As per usual, pies supporters enter to derail the thread. Well done

 

[Corn Cobbers]

You are in the wrong thread Fadge. You need to direct this theory to the Can he be the GOAT thread.
This thread is about congratulating Patrick Cripps on winning the brownlow medal
As per usual, pies supporters enter to derail the thread. Well done

Cleansnap went off topic first on his usual Dusty v GAJ thing, I merely pointed out that Daics was better due to his career Brownlow average which is ranked numero uno

 

[Worm4]

Cleansnap went off topic first on his usual Dusty v GAJ thing, I merely pointed out that Daics was better due to his career Brownlow average which is ranked numero uno

Congratulations Patrick Cripps on winning a second brownlow medal. Truly in elite company now
Well done to Nick Daicos on coming 2nd, and Zac Butters 3rd - fantastic achievements as well

 

[Lunchtime]

Indeed.

Unfortunately Collingwood were only fielding their 10th and 11th best teams they've had since the turn of the century in those years....

If only we'd been a little better and had something like our 7th and 8th best teams, we would have taken advantage of the weakest era I have seen in my nearly five decades of watching football...

Losing margin was 4 points in that 2019 Preliminary Final loss to GWS at the MCG.....and you blame the Pies not having the quality to get the job done?

Umm....no....with a margin that close (4 points) that clearly means Collingwood simply weren't good enough.

 

[Worm4]

Losing margin was 4 points in that 2019 Preliminary Final loss to GWS at the MCG.....and you blame the Pies not having the quality to get the job done?

Umm....no....with a margin that close (4 points) that clearly means Collingwood simply weren't good enough.

Fadge likes to IMAGINE a lot of things , particularly Collingwood winning the 2019 premiership, and Nick winning brownlows. Both fell short. IFS, BUTs, and MAYBES are a big part of his imaginary world of dominance .
Anyway back to the topic of the thread..

 

[Lingsface]

Big week in the Brownlow this week will be a really important round.

Bont, Cripps, Daicos, Neale and Gulden all probably don’t register a vote.

3 vote game for Heeney for sure
2-3 vote game for Serong and Merrett.

What’s everyone guess at the leaderboard right now?

This is me just guessing with no tracking.

Serong Heeney -1st
Bont- 2nd
Cripps Daicos- 3rd
Merrett-4th
Warner-5th

Can we give my original post some recognition?
When I say that in how far off I was
1- Not an important round
2- My order was way off
3- Cripps got 3 votes I’m pretty sure.

 

[Lingsface]

Can we give my original post some recognition?
When I say that in how far off I was
1- Not an important round
2- My order was way off
3- Cripps got 3 votes I’m pretty sure.

Cripps didn’t get 3 I just checked, yay I got one thing right!

Darcy Parish got votes over Merrett that round and Draper he was clearly Essendons best from memory I know stats don’t tell the full story but 11 score involvements most by a lot and 10 inside 50 most by a lot 32 possesions.

 

[Fadge]

Losing margin was 4 points in that 2019 Preliminary Final loss to GWS at the MCG.....and you blame the Pies not having the quality to get the job done?

Umm....no....with a margin that close (4 points) that clearly means Collingwood simply weren't good enough.

I'm confused.

Can you please explain to me the difference between 'the Pies not having the quality to get the job done', and 'Collingwood simply weren't good enough'?

 

[Fadge]

Fadge likes to IMAGINE a lot of things , particularly Collingwood winning the 2019 premiership...

A bit like you 'imagining' Carlton being 2024 premiership contenders.

All we both needed were better players and a better team...

 

[Worm4]

A bit like you 'imagining' Carlton being 2024 premiership contenders.

All we both needed were better players and a better team...

You are extremely quick to let us all know about imaging, yet you do it yourself , and regularly. How about P Cripps dual brownlow medalist ? Had a pretty special year

 

[Fadge]

How about P Cripps dual brownlow medalist ? Had a pretty special year

Indeed he did.

I, in addition to many other Collingwood supporters, predicted he'd win it once the home and away season ended.

I have also since rated him as the second best player across the 2024 season, behind only Heeney and ahead of Daicos as the 3rd best player.

See, I can give credit where it is due.

 

[Worm4]

Indeed he did.

I, in addition to many other Collingwood supporters, predicted he'd win it once the home and away season ended.

I have also since rated him as the second best player across the 2024 season, behind only Heeney and ahead of Daicos as the 3rd best player.

See, I can give credit where it is due.

Look at you

 

[bradfisher14]

How would that be?

Richmond are just lucky other teams knocked Collingwood out of the finals in their 2019/20 premiership years, otherwise we all know the season outcomes would have been very different...

You sound like some Carlton supporters from last season

 

[Fadge]

You sound like some Carlton supporters from last season

Except Collingwood actually beat Richmond in the only knock out final they played during Richmond's 'dynasty', whilst Carlton haven't beaten Collingwood in a meaningful game in about a decade...

 

[Tiger 10]

The difference being, GAJ did it against much stronger teams and also performed when his team wasn't the clear strongest team in it - 2008 Grand Final and 2010 Preliminary Finals being two prime examples.

Are you really saying that Geelong wasn't the "clear strongest team in" 2008?

 

[Cdog71]

Good on him for winning it and would’nt be surprised if he wins another.
But..
Is he the best player or is he just the most difficult to deal with at stoppage?
Kicked 17 goals, ok. Daicos kicked 20 Warner kicked 34
Cripps 13 GA, Daicos 18* one less game Warner 22.

Cripps is 6”5 and because of his range his lane for corralling the ball or sharking it from a tap is probably 2mtr either side of his centre.
He was top 3 for hard ball gets and led C/P’s. I think it’s because his zone for controlling the ball is bigger than most and so few of the tackles laid on him pin his arms. Tackling him doesn’t often stop him passing the ball.
He’s a great player but his physique gives him a natural advantage that Daicos and Neale don’t have.
He also took more Ruck contests than ever before and got more “grab and go” from those than any other Back up Ruck.

He’s a champ and a great player but also a very unusual player that just doesn’t have any natural predators.