2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[Hayes4PM]

Held onto this little interaction for a few days.

Ex Gippsland power player. Both his sons in their younger age groups.

If Smillie and Reid go at 5 & 6 that would be shite. I’d like at least one of those 2 (or Langford).

Damn you Jack Higgins, why couldn’t you have kicked a point?!

 

[Jade Buddha]

Hold on 7. Do not dilute. 8 only if who we wanted is not available.

 

[Jade Buddha]

Cream not potatoes.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I

think when you lose the two grand finals we lost especially the Collingwood one , by such a close margin it’s so marginal that ‘coaching’ at that point has nothing to do with it. Essentially it’s luck.

FFS [emoji1750]


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The point is straight forward.

The only coach of the modern era that is possibly worth giving total control of your football club is Hardwick.

Built an enormously successful game plan around the players he had at his disposal but then again he is probably disqualified because he had a bloke called Dustin Martin in his team.

Lyon has not been successful enough to have to control over every facet of the football dept of the club.

 

[goodie23]

Hold on 7. Do not dilute. 8 only if who we wanted is not available.

Agree. Bid on Lombard if no-one has already, take the handiest slider at 7, then sell to the highest bidder if we're not sold on the next option. Can always bid on Kako if we need to buy more time.

 

[Yawkey way]

Held onto this little interaction for a few days.

Ex Gippsland power player. Both his sons in their younger age groups.

If they want him it’s pick 2. They can trade future picks for whatever they can get if they need more picks. Well and truly snookered which I find quite amusing.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Damn you Jack Higgins, why couldn’t you have kicked a point?!

 

[maanco]

Sliding from pick 7 to 11 just to get pick 24.
No thanks

Why not?

If we would rather select the player available at 11, we could make a deal with Richmond and North, that they would let us pick the player we wanted. The only club we would need to be mindful of is Melbourne at pick 9.

It would be similar to sliding to pick 18 to draft Darcy Wilson in last years draft.

North will select Tauru at 7
St Kilda select the best available mid at 8, Smillie/ Reid
St Kilda select the best available player at 11. Bo Allan / Luke Trainer / Xavier Lindsey
St kila select Joe Berry / Cooper Hynes / Whitlock / Dattoli / Dodson

I know I'd rather 3 of those players rather than just 2 of them.

 

[akaifu]

The point is straight forward.

The only coach of the modern era that is possibly worth giving total control of your football club is Hardwick.

Built an enormously successful game plan around the players he had at his disposal but then again he is probably disqualified because he had a bloke called Dustin Martin in his team.

Lyon has not been successful enough to have to control over every facet of the football dept of the club.

Sorry, how did the Gold Coast go this year?

Touk Miller, Noah Anderson, Matthew Rowell, Sam Flanders, Ben King, Sam Collins, Mac Andrew, Jarrod Witts, Jack Lukosius

Didn't make the 8, despite having your daddy Dimma as head coach

Ross Lyon easily could've had 2 premierships if things went his way - the Milne bounce, Hawkins post, Scarlett toe poke

 

[goodie23]

If they want him it’s pick 2. They can trade future picks for whatever they can get if they need more picks. Well and truly snookered which I find quite amusing.

Best case scenario for us: North pull the trigger on Tauru at 3 (Ashcroft bid beforehand), Melbourne recognise that there's only one other worthwhile forward in the top 10 and worry about Richmond and us, then take Armstrong at 6.

Assuming Finn O'Sullivan, Sam Lalor and Jagga Smith are already gone, we get two of Langford, Draper, Smillie and Reid.

 

[maanco]

Source?

My mistake 10% discount rule will apply in 2025 not 2024.

 

[ScrappyDo]

A bid at Pick 45 will consume both pick 79, 80 and 85 (valued at pick ~64, ~65, ~68)

If that happens, St Kilda will do a future trade to bring in more points. i.e. Trade out Future 4th rounder for a Pick that won't be used at this year's draft by a club. In addition, our pick 103 will grow in value and be worth approx. pick ~70

If a bid comes in earlier than pick 45, then we will go into deficit.
For example, Cole is bid on at pick 33 after our pick 32, our 2025 2nd round draft pick will slide to pick ~48.

Or SoS makes a quick trade to bring in pick and it's all hunky-dory.

I wouldn't worry about bids there are lots of ways around it and SoS and the St Kilda List Management Team will have all scenarios covered.

Pretty sure the deal is the greater of a 220ish point or 20% (10% now?) discount is applied so all bids falling below the 220 point marker are effectively free and only consume the next pick irrespective of its points value.
We may attract a small deficit on futures, which is better than taking a loss on a trade to cover a deficit this year.
Assuming 5/6 draftees including NGS/FS our best option is to simply be as aggressive as possible and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[maanco]

If Cole is bid on in the 30-40 range will we even take him?

I'd say it Depends what trades we make and can pull off.

 

[Significant]

Bookmark this...

North trading pick 2 for Adelaide Pick 4 and F3s.

Adelaide get in front of Carlton for FOS / Draper. North Melbourne get Tauru.

 

[akaifu]

Bookmark this...

North trading pick 2 for Adelaide Pick 4 and F3s.

Adelaide get in front of Carlton for FOS / Draper. North Melbourne get Tauru.

F3s to climb from pick 4 to pick 2

Wouldn't put it past Norf to be absolute crowass-eating morons

 

[ScrappyDo]

If Smillie and Reid go at 5 & 6 that would be shite. I’d like at least one of those 2 (or Langford).

Damn you Jack Higgins, why couldn’t you have kicked a point?!

Everyone is playing the disinformation game atm. We'll do ok regardless.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

A bid at Pick 39 will consume picks 79, 80 and 85 (valued at pick ~64, ~65, ~68)


If a bid comes in earlier than pick 39, then we will go into deficit.
For example, Cole is bid on at pick 33 after our pick 32, our 2025 2nd round draft pick will slide to pick ~48.


If a bid happens earlier than 38, St Kilda will do a future trade to bring in more points. i.e. Trade out Future 4th rounder for a Pick that won't be used at this year's draft by a club. In addition, our pick 103 will grow in value and be worth approx. pick ~70

Or SoS makes a quick trade to bring in pick and it's all hunky-dory.

I wouldn't worry about bids there are lots of ways around it and SoS and the St Kilda List Management Team will have all scenarios covered.

Edit: to adjust calculations on 20% discount instead of 10%

What do you think they will do if there is a bid after our 2R but closer to the current p47 (whatever it is at the time)? Split for a later pick and a late 2025 pick?

 

[maanco]

Pretty sure the deal is the greater of a 220ish point or 20% (10% now?) discount is applied so all bids falling below the 220 point marker are effectively free and only consume the next pick irrespective of its points value.
We may attract a small deficit on futures, which is better than taking a loss on a trade to cover a deficit this year.
Assuming 5/6 draftees including NGS/FS our best option is to simply be as aggressive as possible and let the chips fall where they may.

I agree we need to be aggressive as possible with our NGA picks,

Hence we should trade pick 47 and try to upgrade it to a top 30 pick.

Our future picks in the second and third round have significantly grown in value with the nga changes. So we need to keep that in mind.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Bookmark this...

North trading pick 2 for Adelaide Pick 4 and F3s.

Adelaide get in front of Carlton for FOS / Draper. North Melbourne get Tauru.

Very interesting ..... though not sure that North need F3s .... the whole point of them moving back to get Tauru was to also get another 1st round pick .... this year

 

[maanco]

What do you think they will do if there is a bid after our 2R but closer to the current p47 (whatever it is at the time)? Split for a later pick and a late 2025 pick?

This is one of the reasons why I want to trade pick 7or 8 for two first round picks.

If we do that we trade out pick 47 as we won't be using it.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

If Melbourne are indeed hard for Tauru at 5

It could go ....

Tigers - Lalor
North - FOS
Blues - Draper
Crows - Langford
Melbourne - Tauru
Richmond - Smillie (if rumors are true)
Saints - Jagga

Or

Tigers - Lalor
North - Tauru
Blues - FOS
Crows - Draper
Melbourne - Langford
Richmond - Smillie
Saints - Jagga

Jagga could indeed fall our way at pick 7 ... forgetting about the F-S / NGA bullshit bids

How does Jagga & Allen sound?

Two very different mids

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Held onto this little interaction for a few days.

Ex Gippsland power player. Both his sons in their younger age groups.

Is the Dees mid focus at 5 still your intel / view? They may toss up the balance of a Tauru and, say, Reid vs Smilie and, say, Armstrong/Shanahan.

 

[Significant]

Very interesting ..... though not sure that North need F3s .... the whole point of them moving back to get Tauru was to also get another 1st round pick .... this year

It's all Adelaide have, and I can't see them spending a Future First

 

[Tommy Wigs]

The point is straight forward.

The only coach of the modern era that is possibly worth giving total control of your football club is Hardwick.

Built an enormously successful game plan around the players he had at his disposal but then again he is probably disqualified because he had a bloke called Dustin Martin in his team.

Lyon has not been successful enough to have to control over every facet of the football dept of the club.

I don’t think ANY coach should dominate in this way regardless. I don’t agree on your view on him as a coach, but would be pissed if he’s having a significant or overriding say on who we pick.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I agree we need to be aggressive as possible with our NGA picks,

Hence we should trade pick 47 and try to upgrade it to a top 30 pick.

Our future picks in the second and third round have significantly grown in value with the nga changes. So we need to keep that in mind.

I think the F2nd has grown but F3rd may be worth zero with the new rules.
Agree with moving on 47 and 32 but easier said than done when looking at the demand. It'll be hot in the kitchen on the night.