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List Mgmt. 2024 Draft Thread

Who Should We Take At Pick 1?

  • Finn O'Sullivan

  • Sid Draper

  • Jagga Smith

  • Josh Smillie

  • Harvey Langford

  • Luke Trainor

  • Murphy Reid

  • Other

  • Sam Lalor

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Tigerbob said:
Jagga and takes risky options should not be in the same sentence.

He is not a meters gains person. He’s an extractor and wins from the contest extremely well. He’s very safe with his kicks and handballs. Wants to keep the ball moving. Which is great! But takes risky options? Nope.

So I’m not sure the point made tbh. Even with the safe kicks, he’s not elite. Some of that comes with the fact he’s extracting under pressure but often he would be in space and miss a target or it would float.

To say he’s a neat kick isn’t a knock. It’s just that he’s not an elite kick of the ball.

The Jagga only fans are certainly a sensitive bunch.
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My post had nothing to do with Jagga.

I was asking you what your preference was when scouting players?

I liken Jaggas use by foot similar to what Cotchin became once he adjusted his playing style. Where he'd hit the safe option more often than taking on the aggressive kick, because we had someone like Martin taking on those high risk high reward kicks.
 
Tigerbob said:
In a game where we are judging on small percentages to take one or the other, there’s these types of things we just have to look into.

I’m just thinking what Richmond is thinking with ranking FOS at one and Lalor at 2.

They are duel position players. They can win a match in a matter of moments. They can go into the midfield and influence but go forward and be “the guy” to turn a game and change momentum. High skilled, high IQ and high impact.

When we are starting a rebuild to get two guys like that, I understand the why. Heeney and Petracca. Finals made types.
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Yeah I’m on that bandwagon too, we don’t need role player types just yet, we need our pillars/structural players to build off. That’s what you use top 5 picks on.

I know it’s a bit of a different recruiting team but we’ve had no problem finding Baker, Graham, Broad, Pickett, Lambert, Kmac, short etc. types with later picks in the past. But when they don’t have Dusty, Cotchin, Rance, Jack etc… to play off then we end up with people calling them shit on here (poor Graham, he cops it worse than anyone because he’s a great 18th player not 8th best player).
 

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Tigerbob said:
I know tigs2010 has backed up my info of FOS at 1, Lalor at 2 or 3. That is now heavy. Hence my confidence.

I’m gonna say that if we have pick 6 as well, it will be Langford over Jagga if there was that situation to unfold.
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What about if it's 1,2,3?
 
_RT_ said:
My post had nothing to do with Jagga.

I was asking you what your preference was when scouting players?

I liken Jaggas use by foot similar to what Cotchin became once he adjusted his playing style. Where he'd hit the safe option more often than taking on the aggressive kick, because we had someone like Martin taking on those high risk high reward kicks.
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Been rewatching 2017 and just started 2018 season the last couple of months. Cotchin takes a lot more risky kicks than you remember. He hits so many guys coming back through the centre square. I actually think I under appreciated how good he was during those years because Dusty and Rance over shadowed everyone.
 
Cleansweep17 said:
I see both FOS and Lalor taken before Jagga. I don’t think the other clubs would be interested in Jagga.

I think pick 1 must be FOS he won’t slide to 6 so we either trade up to get FOS, Jagga, Lalor with 1,2,6

Or

Don’t trade up and get FOS and 1 of Lalor/Jagga with pick 6. Plus keen another first round pick for so body else.

I think I’m fine with either but option 2 imo make sense.
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I think Lalor and Jagga will both be gone by 6.
 
Calcium Man said:
Been rewatching 2017 and just started 2018 season the last couple of months. Cotchin takes a lot more risky kicks than you remember. He hits so many guys coming back through the centre square. I actually think I under appreciated how good he was during those years because Dusty and Rance over shadowed everyone.
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Cotchin wasn't adverse to taking on the riskier kick, it's more that he didn't need to do it as often as he did to start his career. As has been mentioned I like the idea of a combination of Jagga with FOS & Draper if we land the first 3 picks as to me they compliment each other well with their individual strengths covering their individual weaknesses if that makes sense.
 
swallace said:
Drafted at pick 11, 8 spots after Sam Day, 1 ahead of Lucas Cook (0 games) & played 8 seasons before his first final.

They take a long time, are very uncertain prospects at 18 & teams are winning flags without a star unit up front. Maybe it’s the game today?

They really help, and we’d all like to have one, but they’re far from essential.

Hawkins aside, the best big dog flag-winning KPFs (Lynch, Kennedy, maybe Daniher come next Saturday, even Boyd) in recent times weren’t drafted by the team they eventually succeed with. Given we have some prospects on the list, whatever you think of them, drafting one F50 tall bloke in November would be enough.
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It's a fair point, maybe I have been spoilt watching all the way back to Hart, Roach, Richo, Lynch with a few others. Richmond do not win the '17 flag without Jack. But again spoilt, because star forwards are few and far between.

I can't see any on this years draft highlights that I have watched, but that is far from definitive. Would be nice to pick one of the best talls in the draft however because there is time to build their game before Lynch retires, providing some backup on our list, Gray, Lefau, Fawcett give us more that Kosi did this season. There will be plenty of good players with our hand in the draft, a ruckman is also on our shopping list I think.
 
_RT_ said:
Cotchin wasn't adverse to taking on the riskier kick, it's more that he didn't need to do it as often as he did to start his career. As has been mentioned I like the idea of a combination of Jagga with FOS & Draper if we land the first 3 picks as to me they compliment each other well with their individual strengths covering their individual weaknesses if that makes sense.
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Doesn’t make sense, FOS has no weaknesses just things he’s only good at instead of great at ;)
 
richoatthedisco said:
It's going to be interesting to see how Michaels and _RT_ try to spin it.


The thought of me getting firm makes you firm. Disturbing.

(NTTAWWT)


Hopefully Berry too.


He's nothing like Dusty or Lynch, except that he's as slow as Lynch is now.


Toce can't help himself, he just has to show everyone how smart he is on his blog, Worst.DraftPick.Ever.com



That rules out Jagga. And Draper. And Hotton. And Travaglia.
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Langford would be best kick and mark in the draft and is a ball magnet he’d be devastating resting in f50 , would he be any slower than crips or cotch , look forward to see his combine results
 

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Tigerbob said:
In a game where we are judging on small percentages to take one or the other, there’s these types of things we just have to look into.

I’m just thinking what Richmond is thinking with ranking FOS at one and Lalor at 2.

They are duel position players. They can win a match in a matter of moments. They can go into the midfield and influence but go forward and be “the guy” to turn a game and change momentum. High skilled, high IQ and high impact.

When we are starting a rebuild to get two guys like that, I understand the why. Heeney and Petracca. Finals made types.
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When was the last time/if ever FOS/Lalor "won a match in a matter of minutes" or match winning influence? I have seen Jagga do this a number of times. You are putting maybe in front of actual, nice dream hope your dreams come true!
 
Bojangles17 said:
Langford would be best kick and mark in the draft and is a ball magnet he’d be devastating resting in f50 , would he be any slower than crips or cotch , look forward to see his combine results
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neither the best kick nor best mark I would have thought
 
Grrr said:
It's a fair point, maybe I have been spoilt watching all the way back to Hart, Roach, Richo, Lynch with a few others. Richmond do not win the '17 flag without Jack. But again spoilt, because star forwards are few and far between.

I can't see any on this years draft highlights that I have watched, but that is far from definitive. Would be nice to pick one of the best talls in the draft however because there is time to build their game before Lynch retires, providing some backup on our list, Gray, Lefau, Fawcett give us more that Kosi did this season. There will be plenty of good players with our hand in the draft, a ruckman is also on our shopping list I think.
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would have thought Lynch might be asked to play reserves given we would be all about development in 2025?
 

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who are the best draftees in 2025 besides Dyson Sharp anyway??

Anyone stand out??
 
_RT_ said:
Personally I want us to take a genuine KPF & KPD & Ruck in the draft with our possible draft hand.

Looking at our depth in those areas, age is at the start of the 2025 season:

KPF - Lynch 32 Koschiztke 24 Lefau 26 Gray 21 Fawcett 19
KPD - Balta 25 Miller 25 Gibcus 21 Blight 23 Young 26
Ruck - Nankervis 30 Ryan 24 OHB 24

Adding 1 in each position will allow us where possible to play the same structure at both AFL & VFL level meaning that player development and understanding of the game plan should be much more better.

The players we get don't need to be elite level either, but if we can get some solid A-B+ types who can play as part of a good structured line up we'll be in good shape in a couple of years.
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Interesting...how many picks under this scenario do you see us taking in the draft ..6 or 7 ? ..what picks would you like to see used on a KPF a KPD and a ruck ..and ideally who would you like to see us take ..on this topic what Mids would you see us taking also ... interested in your thoughts on this
 
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