List Mgmt. 2024 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Scythe]

Confirmed outs:

• Alex Neal-Bullen (Traded to Adelaide)
• Angus Brayshaw (Retired)
• Ben Brown (Retired)
• Lachie Hunter (Retired)
• Adam Tomlinson (Delisted)
• Josh Schache (Delisted)
• Kyah Farris-White (Delisted)
• Future First (Traded to Essendon)
• Future Third (Traded to Adelaide)
• Picks 40, 54, 65 (Traded to Essendon)
• Pick 49 (Traded to Brisbane)
• Joel Smith (Delisted)

Confirmed ins:

• Tom Campbell (Free Agent from St Kilda)
• Harry Sharp (Traded from Brisbane)
• Future Third (Traded from Brisbane)
• Harvey Langford (Pick 6)
• Xavier Lindsay (Pick 11, Traded from Essendon)
• Aidan Johnson (Pick 68)
• Ricky Mentha (Cat B Rookie)

On-traded:

• Pick 28 (from Adelaide, to Essendon)
• Pick 46 (from Adelaide, to Essendon)
• Future Third (from Essendon, to Brisbane)

 

[Lord Nev]

The Grundy trade just reeked of desperation, like the club felt that needed to do something with the cap space allocated to Jackson.

Neither Gawn or Grundy play well as the resting forward.

Don't disagree about the desperation, but reckon it's more about Goody's on and off again affair with the two ruck setup. Preuss, Jackson, Grundy, we've almost always been flirting with that. No idea why tbh.

 

[schmuttt]

Don't disagree about the desperation, but reckon it's more about Goody's on and off again affair with the two ruck setup. Preuss, Jackson, Grundy, we've almost always been flirting with that. No idea why tbh.

Clear disconnect between coaches and recruiting now IMO. Be interesting to see what changes we get at years end.

 

[markm106]

On one of those mid week footy shows on Fox Footy, I think it was Scott McFarlane said we are going to be in the matter for a ruckman this year. He was saying said he had been speaking to the club not just stating the obvious.

 

[Demon Attack]

How so? We basically got a refund for him.

I meant that we risked a season in the window by trying to do something nobody else was doing in the comp.

 

[Bluelegs]

I meant that we risked a season in the window by trying to do something nobody else was doing in the comp.

Not really. Grundy helped us when Gawn was injured and didn't hurt us when we played him at Casey. wouldn't say he ruined our season at all, many other things worth blaming over that specifically.

He is part of a cumulative failed recruitment strategy over several years though.

 

[Crusty Demon]

The Grundy trade just reeked of desperation, like the club felt that needed to do something with the cap space allocated to Jackson.

Neither Gawn or Grundy play well as the resting forward.

If Gawn could kick like Dean Cox it might have worked with Max playing mainly as a key forward. But yeah, bizarre trade as both aren't good forward unless it's a prelim final at Optus

 

[Bluelegs]

Don't disagree about the desperation, but reckon it's more about Goody's on and off again affair with the two ruck setup. Preuss, Jackson, Grundy, we've almost always been flirting with that. No idea why tbh.

Think Goody just prefers a tall team because he likes long bombs down the line and you will just turn it over repeatedly if you can't compete in the air.

 

[Lord Nev]

Think Goody just prefers a tall team because he likes long bombs down the line and you will just turn it over repeatedly if you can't compete in the air.

Yep, plus that deadly strategy of kicking to the forward pocket.

 

[Lord Nev]

Clear disconnect between coaches and recruiting now IMO. Be interesting to see what changes we get at years end.

Not sure about disconnect, but I do wonder if Goody has had too much say in recruiting and list decisions. Definitely feel it's been an issue with injury management so wouldn't be surprised. We've done best when there's been other strong voices to challenge him IMO (McCartney, Jennings, Burgess, maybe even Yze). Wouldn't think Goody is going anywhere this year, so our assistant coach and fitness management setup is crucial.

 

[SugarHealey]

Fritsch is 6’2. And a lead up type forward who’ll get you one on one with smarts.
Physical and competitive key forwards are the ones you want. Ones that compete time after time. Ones they lack that competitive edge tend to not be all that effective.

Fritsch only does well when he has space. When he's in a contest he doesn't know what to do, or how to cope with a physical opponent.
So he lurks around the packs, and or tries to get out the back on his own.

Even when he pushes up the field 'under instructions' to help the defence, he shytes himself when he sees another pair of legs, as he has his head down trying to pick up the ball from his shoelaces.

On the weekend he was front runner to win a loose contested ball on the deck on our halfback line... he was over the ball when TMc's legs appeared in front of him... he gave up trying to pickup the ball, straightening/standing up, and both then tried to gather the ball, a Dees player gathered and hack kicked the ball up the corridor, which was marked by GWS and then goaled.
Fritta was involved in at least 3 occasions, where he mucked up over the ground ball, which culminated almost directly in a GWS goal.

He can be a liability in defensive plays whether across halfback, or half-forward.

 

[Scythe]

Fritsch only does well when he has space. When he's in a contest he doesn't know what to do, or how to cope with a physical opponent.

That's just not true. He's excellent in one-on-one contests – one of the biggest flaws of our gameplan is that he seldom gets those chances.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I swear the people who want Fritsch dropped would trade him for Lincoln McCarthy

11

Lincoln Mccarthy

Age

32

Ht

176cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.1

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.0

1star

coz "great contest & defense" then when he becomes another Sparrow who rarely kicks goal in our system... "why did Tim Lamb trade Fritsch? "

 

[SugarHealey]

All our recruitment since 2021 has been very low risk but three years of this it all starts to add up. Especially odd when we mostly made excellent trades from the start of Goodwin's tenure to the flag.

Our footy department has obviously over-estimated our list, of the past couple of seasons... since 2021.

We traded away picks, to bring in top up players. [ Billings, Hunter, McAdam and Fullerton] not so much fullerton as the club has said, he is a player in a development phase. They see him developing slowly to get his ruck-work up to speed, and obviously body stronger.

On the other hand Scache doesn't have it... no aggro in him.
Same as the bolded players above, NQR's for a reason, or another.

 

[SugarHealey]

Grundy was high risk.

Disagree he was worth the lowish pick for a very competent ruck/follower. Except he needed to be able to work-out for us, when playing deep forward.

It didn't work, and the only thing I was dirty on, was the picks we collected from the Swans for giving up a highly competitive first ruck.
There was a question mark over Grundy from his Collinwood days, of back injury.? But his time at the Dees proved he was over that issue.
So we should have got better recompense for his signature from the Swans. A mid to late 1st Rnd pick imv.
His efforts this year at the Swans backs up my view.

 

[booshboy]

I guarantee you Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

49

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

or John Longmire would have found a way to make the Gawn/Grundy thing work.

 

[schmuttt]

That's just not true. He's excellent in one-on-one contests – one of the biggest flaws of our gameplan is that he seldom gets those chances.

Often beats taller guys when given room - issue is a combination of our delivery and Frittas role being all over the place.

 

[SugarHealey]

Fullarton was always a bit of a strange one. Never been played ruck at Lions. Was always a forward. Big bloke but if he can’t ruck the recruitment was pointless given our needs.

Oscar McInerny is a very robust ruck. Very little causes him to drop games.
Fullerton was always seen as talented but as you say, unsure of his ruck-work.

We were looking more-so for a backup tall forward, at that stage, with booth Maxy and Grundy on our list.

As the club thinks Fullerton has time to develop his ruckwork. I am still hopeful he might get there. I don't share this hope in Scache. Nor Billings, and we're past Hunter.
And McAdam is depth, and has fallen behind on the list of small forwards imv, with the so far positive efforts from Melk.
I have Pickett, Chandler, Melksham, all way ahead of McAdam.

I have Melk way ahead of Fritta, as AFL talent goes. And game winning value goes. Melk organises our forward structure. We have been a lot better up forward, since he's come in.

 

[SugarHealey]

Not really. Grundy helped us when Gawn was injured and didn't hurt us when we played him at Casey. wouldn't say he ruined our season at all, many other things worth blaming over that specifically.

He is part of a cumulative failed recruitment strategy over several years though.

Yeah, judgement of how it looked in the footy departments minds eye, was a bit scew if.
Grundy is not nearly as good ball below his knees as L Jackson. Around the stoppages LJ was a great help winning ball, or defending.

What we did by recruiting Grundy was to give the Pies salary cap relief, to get them out of a deep hole. We helped them to the premiership.
And slowed our list transition a bit more.

 

[SugarHealey]

If Gawn could kick like Dean Cox it might have worked with Max playing mainly as a key forward. But yeah, bizarre trade as both aren't good forward unless it's a prelim final at Optus

Maxy is handy pushing forward to try to mark the ball when he can get a mismatch, or to shield a fellow tall from being double/triple manned.
But when he is positioned up forward, he looses that mismatch.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Maxy is handy pushing forward to try to mark the ball when he can get a mismatch, or to shield a fellow tall from being double/triple manned.
But when he is positioned up forward, he looses that mismatch.

Stars aligned that night in WA. Still one of the best individual games I've seen from a Dees player. Hard to get one on one's for the big man in the F50. But he's more than a decent contested mark. Just no faith at all in his kicking.

 

[SugarHealey]

Think Goody just prefers a tall team because he likes long bombs down the line and you will just turn it over repeatedly if you can't compete in the air.

Thats exactly what happened on this weekend gone.

GWS just kept switching the ball from they're halfback line to avoid kicking down the line to where Maxy was stationed. they simply switched to the opposite wing of where he was. And then after the switch, often would take it back again, or straight into the corridor via the 45* kick.
They played keeping off Maxy when they controlled the footy. Denying us the ability to mark the footy, wide outside the corridor.

When we did win the loose ball in the midfield area, we were under pressure quickly by GWS's runners, and we coughed up the ball via poor disposal, by hand mostly.

GWS by the way, were smart when under likely pressure to pickup the ground ball in tight, by smart play... slapping the ball away from the contest.. to the outside, where they had outriders to pickup in some space. Then using the ball well to teammates up-field.

The key to us winning, really does revolve around us marking the footy more often than not between the arcs, as from exiting D50... and also to transition toward our forward 50...

Marking is our get-out-of-jail free card... we cannot be pressed or pressured, once we mark the footy.
This we learnt from the tight zone days.
From there on, we started to win footy games. And we learned that Pedo and TMc were handy as tall-forward/followers...
Our game style changed from that use of Maxy and others, marking the exit kicks around the wings.

 

[Lord Nev]

 

[Crusty Demon]

Still don't know if this guys any good or not.

 

[SugarHealey]

Not sure about disconnect, but I do wonder if Goody has had too much say in recruiting and list decisions. Definitely feel it's been an issue with injury management so wouldn't be surprised. We've done best when there's been other strong voices to challenge him IMO (McCartney, Jennings, Burgess, maybe even Yze). Wouldn't think Goody is going anywhere this year, so our assistant coach and fitness management setup is crucial.

We beat the competition to the mark, via our game-style as we recruited more running players, following Richmond's style of hard running thru half-back & mids.
ANB, and others, inc Viney, etc, worked hard, and we put a huge empasis on winning stoppages, and taking the ball awayfrom there.

The footy world has caught up to us, as we sat on our hands with the style we deployed at that time.
And they have gone ahead of us, with better running players of skill working the ball forward with run and overlap.

The Pies Swans each have plenty of skilled runners, and bat deeper with many more inside players of skill, than we do.
This is where we have fallen behind. And with our recruiting.

We finally woke up last draft, by recruiting Windsor and Tholstrup.

But the 'Horse' had bolted away from the gates, with the running idea. via they're accademy players.
It took them a few years to develop they're bodies and maturity... They have arrived.

 

[markm106]

Fritsch only does well when he has space. When he's in a contest he doesn't know what to do, or how to cope with a physical opponent.
So he lurks around the packs, and or tries to get out the back on his own.

Even when he pushes up the field 'under instructions' to help the defence, he shytes himself when he sees another pair of legs, as he has his head down trying to pick up the ball from his shoelaces.

On the weekend he was front runner to win a loose contested ball on the deck on our halfback line... he was over the ball when TMc's legs appeared in front of him... he gave up trying to pickup the ball, straightening/standing up, and both then tried to gather the ball, a Dees player gathered and hack kicked the ball up the corridor, which was marked by GWS and then goaled.
Fritta was involved in at least 3 occasions, where he mucked up over the ground ball, which culminated almost directly in a GWS goal.

He can be a liability in defensive plays whether across halfback, or half-forward.

I agree on defensive efforts. He definitely needs to improve on that. But one on one inside 50 he’s very good.