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[Bamboo Harvester]

Taking high ceiling guys in the mid-late 2nd round is fine.

I would worry about it more if it was a top 10 pick.

Sustained success for us from here is going to come from bringing in guys who can be brought up to speed on our system quickly and be ready to play a role.

Drafting for guys who learn fast and have the physical attributes to play a role at AFL level would be my criteria. Also not going to be put out by being a lesser light for a while


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Austin also hasn't had the 'luxury' of high draft picks since he arrived. Ollie being the exception at pick 11 a few years back.

The rest have basically been picks in the mid 2nd round or later - Motlop at #27, Cow at #30, Binns at #32, Moir at #29, Billy at #34, Durds at #37, Carroll at #41, Lem at #47.

Even this year, we may end up shifting our 1st round pick for points.

TBH, I do have a slight concern that we're not getting that top end talent coming in right now, and a number of our youngsters are more speculative than locks going forward. The last thing you want is to be caught in no man's land for years like a St.Kilda or Essendon.

 

[Arr0w]

Austin also hasn't had the 'luxury' of high draft picks since he arrived. Ollie being the exception at pick 11 a few years back.

The rest have basically been picks in the mid 2nd round or later - Motlop at #27, Cow at #30, Binns at #32, Moir at #29, Billy at #34, Durds at #37, Carroll at #41, Lem at #47.

Even this year, we may end up shifting our 1st round pick for points.

TBH, I do have a slight concern that we're not getting that top end talent coming in right now, and a number of our youngsters are more speculative than locks going forward. The last thing you want is to be caught in no man's land for years like a St.Kilda or Essendon.

I guess that’s a strength of Austin

Where he took Ollie, Cowan, Binns, I would have looked at different players, but said at the time at all 3 boys had a higher floor

Really interested how his drafting unfolds

 

[Burgers45]

The Bedford/Daniels/Jones combo looks impressive

It would be great to add another quick, X factor small forward this year but they are rare

Missed an opportunity to go after an X Factor small forward by not going after Liam Henry. He's the one SOS bid on in his draft year but failed to get him. As a small forward looks the goods, but SOS got his way last year.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Missed an opportunity to go after an X Factor small forward by not going after Liam Henry. He's the one SOS bid on in his draft year but failed to get him. As a small forward looks the goods, but SOS got his way last year.

Moving on Gresham for first round compensation was a good SOS move.
Sometimes you have to be prepared to roll the dice.
Think there was another senior player traded also to attain a decent draft pick?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Missed an opportunity to go after an X Factor small forward by not going after Liam Henry. He's the one SOS bid on in his draft year but failed to get him. As a small forward looks the goods, but SOS got his way last year.

He isn’t really a small forward but. Could probably play Fogarty or Cottrell’s role but looks better in a role where he can hunt the ball abit

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

We actually got out of Rogers tenure alright with Doc, Cripps and Jones from his two seasons.
If you look at our list in 2016, it was already in a really good spot after SOS’s first season.
SPS, Dow and LOB picks hurt us plus SOS chasing Kennedy and Setterfield to put next to Cripps when running power was becoming more important set us back a couple of years. Had we succeeded in getting Shiel after bombing out in the 16 and 17 drafts I would hate to know where we might have been right now.

 

[Michael Jezz]

We actually got out of Rogers tenure alright with Doc, Cripps and Jones from his two seasons.
If you look at our list in 2016, it was already in a really good spot after SOS’s first season.
SPS, Dow and LOB picks hurt us plus SOS chasing Kennedy and Setterfield to put next to Cripps when running power was becoming more important set us back a couple of years. Had we succeeded in getting Shiel after bombing out in the 16 and 17 drafts I would hate to know where we might have been right now.

The facts make your post inaccurate.
SoS= Newman, Cottrel, Pittonet, Dekonig, Owies, Cunningham
SoS wasn't gifted Mckay and Curnow, he traded players out for picks, to attain them.
Kennedy is a vital player in our set up.
Our list was far from set in 2016.
The criticism of SoS that he missed on Obrien, Dow, SPS sets the bar ridiculously high where he would have had to nail every pick to be considered a success. Instead, you should thank him for answering the clubs call in its hour of need

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The facts make your post inaccurate.
SoS= Newman, Cottrel, Pittonet, Dekonig, Owies, Cunningham
SoS wasn't gifted Mckay and Curnow, he traded players out for picks, to attain them.
Kennedy is a vital player in our set up.
Our list was far from set in 2016.
The criticism of SoS that he missed on Obrien, Dow, SPS sets the bar ridiculously high where he would have had to nail every pick to be considered a success. Instead, you should thank him for answering the clubs call in its hour of need

4 of our 5 best players were on our list in 2016. The other core player who our list is built around (Walsh) we found with pick 1 a few years later. With the amount of assets he had between 2016 and 2019 I’d say that part of his tenure was poor. I think his starting draft hand would’ve been something like 1,3,3,5,19,21,21 and 23 plus Gibbs and Touhy as trade bait.
We got TDK, Walsh and some role players.

Our list is in a very good spot so SOS done his job.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Small forwards. That is all.

 

[No1Suspect]

Small forwards. That is all.

Kpd
Pace
Kicking skills

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Paul Curtis please.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Kpd
Pace
Kicking skills

KPD I agree with but there's no way known to get a decent KPD in the door for any less than half a million.

Small fwds are the pace and kicking skills we're missing. Miers, Stengle, Dempsie, Henry, Close... They torched us time and time again as soon as the ball was rebounded.

Our smalls just do not get involved in our offense nearly enough. It's been an issue for years and it must be addressed if we're to improve our forward half game.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I guess that’s a strength of Austin

Where he took Ollie, Cowan, Binns, I would have looked at different players, but said at the time at all 3 boys had a higher floor

Really interested how his drafting unfolds

To be fair, how can concerns over not having "top end talent" be construed as a "strength"? You said yourself that you would have looked elsewhere for those picks. Those players are getting games in a depleted side but they aren't setting the world on fire just yet.

We have too many peripheral players who seem to struggle to make the step up for whatever reason. I'm not blaming Austin just yet but once they get entrenched into the side, we'll start considering that to be the norm. I almost feel like tearing my hair out whenever I read that "every side has role players".

 

[BolshyAust]

The facts make your post inaccurate.
SoS= Newman, Cottrel, Pittonet, Dekonig, Owies, Cunningham
SoS wasn't gifted Mckay and Curnow, he traded players out for picks, to attain them.
Kennedy is a vital player in our set up.
Our list was far from set in 2016.
The criticism of SoS that he missed on Obrien, Dow, SPS sets the bar ridiculously high where he would have had to nail every pick to be considered a success. Instead, you should thank him for answering the clubs call in its hour of need

SoS got one draft right, 2015 with his first three choices. After those three he missed.
His other efforts in selecting players at the draft were appalling as the table

The facts make your post inaccurate.
SoS= Newman, Cottrel, Pittonet, Dekonig, Owies, Cunningham
SoS wasn't gifted Mckay and Curnow, he traded players out for picks, to attain them.
Kennedy is a vital player in our set up.
Our list was far from set in 2016.
The criticism of SoS that he missed on Obrien, Dow, SPS sets the bar ridiculously high where he would have had to nail every pick to be considered a success. Instead, you should thank him for answering the clubs call in its hour of need

SoS missed a lot more than just those!

He got the first three picks of the 2015 draft right, stunningly. He then had another 30 picks over his years in the draft, the rookie draft and the mid-year draft.

In those 30, he got one right, Sam Walsh.

2015
1	Jacob Weitering	ü Clayton Oliver (4)
10	Harry McKay	ü
12	Charlie Curnow	ü
23	David Cuningham	Josh Dunkley (25)
53	Jack Silvagni	Jordan Dawson (56)
Rookie
1	Jesse Glass-McCasker	Tom Papley (14)
19	Andrew Gallucci	Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (22)
37	Matthew Korcheck	Dan Houston (45)
2016
6	Sam Petrevski-Seton	Jy Simpkin (12)
27	Zac Fisher	Shai Bolton (29) Tom Stewart (40)
47	Harrison Macreadie	Darcy Cameron (48) Jack Graham (53)
59	Cameron Polson	Luke Ryan (66) Nick Larkey (73) Harry Morrison (74)
61	Tom Williamson	Luke Ryan (66) Nick Larkey (73) Harry Morrison (74)
65	Pat Kerr	Luke Ryan (66) Nick Larkey (73) Harry Morrison (74)
Rookie
5	Kym LeBois	Tyson Stengle (6) Rowan Marshall (10) Cameron Zurhaar (11) Jack Henry (16)
23	Alex Silvagni	Zach Guthrie (33) Oscar McInerney (37)
2017
3	Paddy Dow	LDU (4) Adam Cerra (5) Aaron Naughton (9)
10	Lachie O'Brien	Ed Richards (16) Oscar Allen (21) Tim Kelly (24) Liam Ryan (26) Sam Taylor (28)
30	Tom De Koning	Bayley Fritsch (31)
70	Angus Schumacher	Sam Switkowski (73)
78	Jarrod Garlett	Last pick in the draft
Rookie
3	Matt Shaw	Bailey Banfield (5) Liam Baker (18) Brody Mihocek (22) Joel Amartey (28)
2018
1	Sam Walsh	ü
19	Liam Stocker	James Rowbottom (25)
66	Finbar O'Dwyer	Toby Bedford (75)
70	Ben Silvagni	Toby Bedford (75)
Rookie
1	Hugh Goddard	Callum Wilkie (3)
19	Tomas Bugg	Jordon Butts (39)
2019
17	Brodie Kemp	Sam De Koning (19) Harrison Jones (30) Chad Warner (39)
20	Sam Philp	Harrison Jones (30) Chad Warner (39)
47	Sam Ramsay	Jake Riccardi (51)
Rookie
3	Josh Honey	Ben Keays (7) Brad Close (14)
Mid Year
1	Josh Deluca	Will Snelling (7) Marlion Pickett (13) John Noble (14)

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Have we seen enough of Young this year to know it's not going to work out with him and Weiters as a pairing? Surely on the trade table end of year?

 

[bigblueboy]

Have we seen enough of Young this year to know it's not going to work out with him and Weiters as a pairing? Surely on the trade table end of year?

Yes … but what’s the alternative? McGovern, Marchbank, Kemp all have queries. Lemmey developing but a long way off.
Young might keep his place by default. Fascinating who we target for MSD.
Priorities? skilled speedy outside mid/forward; KPD
2024 Draft priorities - father/sons; KPF: Ruck;

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yes … but what’s the alternative? McGovern, Marchbank, Kemp all have queries. Lemmey developing but a long way off.
Young might keep his place by default. Fascinating who we target for MSD.
Priorities? skilled speedy outside mid/forward; KPD
2024 Draft priorities - father/sons; KPF: Ruck;

I have no idea but I think we're probably just stuck in our situation how it is for the time being. We need to address ur forward half game as a more pressing need but it would be bloody handy to have a 2nd KPD we could rely on. Hopefully Kemp can have a huge off season/back half of this season and develop into that for us. Imo he just needs to commit to bulking up even though it will greatly reduce his versatility.

 

[macky99]

Have we seen enough of Young this year to know it's not going to work out with him and Weiters as a pairing? Surely on the trade table end of year?

Why he is a very good depth key position defender still under contract.
Marchbank & McGovern are injury prone, not sure why this would be a consideration.
Lemmey looks miles off as a key defender even at VFL level.