List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[M Malice]

Forwards talk about their job being easy when the midfield is firing and they are getting good delivery.

Sydney did great this year until that game because their midfield delivered the ball well. Beating them required beating their midfield.

Going to be bloody hard to shut down our midfield (when they're on) so we have wriggle room with the forwards.

We won't get a Joe, but we won't need a Joe.

Given fagan knew Joe was going who did we play s forward in the 2s? Smith? They surely were preparing this year.

Not a fan of Henry as a key forward... not mobile or quick enough. Bullish on him as an eventual number 1 ruck for us though.

We have been spoilt with Joe's great athleticism for a man of his size.

 

[_Big_D_]

Get both McKay brothers. Somehow. lol

 

[blueiris]

Watching the Morris highlight package before, he could be our next Daniher in a few years.

Morris reminds me more of a Bradshaw type FF

 

[braddsey]

Lynch went from a bottom 2 club to the reigning premiers, after being the captain of the club. He is pretty much the definition of a mercenary? If we poach Larkey from North Melbourne this year to replace Danniher, I'll consider him a mercenary too.

We definitely have some players that could get that tag currently, McKenna being the most likely one.

How do you view Daniher?

Players have every right to change clubs to progress their careers and fulfil their dreams. I’d say Tom Lynch gave the Suns enough service in his time.

 

[Sproj]

Morris reminds me more of a Bradshaw type FF

Morris has Brown written all over him. He also got noticeably bigger in the shoulders as the season went on.

 

[braddsey]

Unless Dom Ambrogio has something up his sleeve, i’d also be in favour of changing our forward setup and going with what we’ve got.
The sub will go, so we can play Oscar and Fort/Smith and still have another sub-200cm player on the bench.

Rather than throw the Joe money at someone who’s not Joe, use it to get Rayner & Starc on new deals.

 

[Dalions]

As much as I hate to say this and can’t believe I am.
But I am coming around to the thought of Tom Lynch for a year or 2. He is one of the best contested marks in the game when fit and that’s the biggest part of the risk from my end, is getting him on the park consistently.

Hippy would have to take on more of a Joe type role and play some time as second ruck and roaming further up the ground.

But I can see it working and I think that our thoughts of him being a grub are probably just us with Lions coloured glasses on? Maybe
We are most definitely in our window right now and need to take advantage while we can.

 

[Sanchez365]

How do you view Daniher?

Players have every right to change clubs to progress their careers and fulfil their dreams. I’d say Tom Lynch gave the Suns enough service in his time.

Was Danniher the captain of Essendon and did we win the premiership the year before? There's a sliding scale and for sure Danniher was on it, but I would say we wouldn't have won a flag without him. I wouldn't say the same for Lynch and the tigers.

Lynch isn't the only one in that basket, you can add Frawley (melb to hawks) even Caracella (ess to us). I'm sure there are more too.

 

[Elixuh]

As much as I hate to say this and can’t believe I am.
But I am coming around to the thought of Tom Lynch for a year or 2. He is one of the best contested marks in the game when fit and that’s the biggest part of the risk from my end, is getting him on the park consistently.

Hippy would have to take on more of a Joe type role and play some time as second ruck and roaming further up the ground.

But I can see it working and I think that our thoughts of him being a grub are probably just us with Lions coloured glasses on? Maybe
We are most definitely in our window right now and need to take advantage while we can.

I think the way to think about Lynch is…

1 he has played 8 games in two years

2 he is basically the highest paid player at the moment because Richmond back ended his contract. So you’re paying him overs for him winning Richmond flags

3 I don’t know if this is correct but signing lynch might be the difference between keeping a guy like Rayner or Starce at the end of next season

 

[dlanod]

I think the way to think about Lynch is…

1 he has played 8 games in two years

2 he is basically the highest paid player at the moment because Richmond back ended his contract. So you’re paying him overs for him winning Richmond flags

3 I don’t know if this is correct but signing lynch might be the difference between keeping a guy like Rayner or Starce at the end of next season

The question is whether Richmond is looking to offload some of that cap hit. Tom Lynch at $1.4m is no way, no how. If he comes in under Joe's hit for a couple of years with Richmond covering the rest? Sure. But ultimately they'd want increased trade value to do so, and then it becomes hard which is why I don't mind the idea but I don't see it happening unless Richmond is going full teardown and just wants assets for those who aren't going to be there in five years.

 

[Dalions]

I think the way to think about Lynch is…

1 he has played 8 games in two years

2 he is basically the highest paid player at the moment because Richmond back ended his contract. So you’re paying him overs for him winning Richmond flags

3 I don’t know if this is correct but signing lynch might be the difference between keeping a guy like Rayner or Starce at the end of next season

If he wants another Premiership over Money.
We can re-negotiate his contract over 2 years.

The biggest proviso is if we already have someone organised for the end of next year (which has been speculated) it will make that move very tough and therefore not worth doing.

 

[M Malice]

Morris reminds me more of a Bradshaw type FF

I liken him to Jack Riewoldt, who was a seriously elite undersized key forward.

Logan showing all the signs of being very good long term.

 

[Elixuh]

The question is whether Richmond is looking to offload some of that cap hit. Tom Lynch at $1.4m is no way, no how. If he comes in under Joe's hit for a couple of years with Richmond covering the rest? Sure. But ultimately they'd want increased trade value to do so, and then it becomes hard which is why I don't mind the idea but I don't see it happening unless Richmond is going full teardown and just wants assets for those who aren't going to be there in five years.

Yeah 100%. With the number of guys that have left or will leave this year surely they’ll have plenty of cap space.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Unless we can get someone capable of kicking 40+ goals a year (Lynch/2MP) I think it will be Henry Smith next year.

 

[Kevvo]

Suggested Frog yesterday; I think he could do it, he can do everything else

Many years ago he played as a leading forward against St Kilda iirc and kicked 3-4. I would love to see it just for his story arc.

 

[Squizz89]

If things ever go bad for this club again we can all at least console ourselves with the fact we don’t have Adam Cooney

Adam Cooney

Age

40

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.7

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.8

4star

as our List Manager.

 

[ZoBlitz]

I feel like we should ban megatrade hypotheticals even if posted to mock because it gives me a headache just reading that.

 

[lionsrules]

Anyone got some light on our salary cap space. Even without say $1m from Joe final year. How is it otherwise?

 

[Nuggo]

Tell me Cooney does not get paid for that rubbish

 

[Sanchez365]

Holy shit that is the worst trade I have ever seen lmao

 

[RU_]

Morris reminds me more of a Bradshaw type FF

Depends how he fills out in time to come.

Tall lanky type who is good overhead, like Joe. Could fit the bill!

 

[Darren Downunder]

How do you view Daniher?

Players have every right to change clubs to progress their careers and fulfil their dreams. I’d say Tom Lynch gave the Suns enough service in his time.

My complaint about Lynch is not because he left Gold Coast. As you say, Lynch gave them enough service. He was a free agent. However, bailing out of a sinking Richmond when they desperately need experience and strong bodies is a different case altogether. I hate Richmond, but if your going to go to a club whose just won a flag, you should be willing to ride the ship down.

 

[Tom14]

The question is whether Richmond is looking to offload some of that cap hit. Tom Lynch at $1.4m is no way, no how. If he comes in under Joe's hit for a couple of years with Richmond covering the rest? Sure. But ultimately they'd want increased trade value to do so, and then it becomes hard which is why I don't mind the idea but I don't see it happening unless Richmond is going full teardown and just wants assets for those who aren't going to be there in five years.

I can't really see what the deal could end up as?

Us: pick 18, future second?

Them: late picks this year for bid-matching, Lynch, paying some salary - say 400k at most?

We have to give Lynch a 2 year deal to smooth out the salary too, with a bit of extra money to make him actually want to do it, so 750k/yr?

Leaves us light on for extra picks next year, committing a lot of money over two years to a 32 year old who has barely played recently.

I don't think Richmond cares about offloading salary cap, who are they paying next year with Rioli, Bolton, Baker all gone?

I also don't think that the future second is enough to get them to move Lynch on, its not enough of a reward to remove basically any forward who can kick goals next year and protect the development of whatever tall they draft.

Basically it only makes sense if they think his body is totally cooked... at which point I'd be staying away!

 

[Darren Downunder]

If things ever go bad for this club again we can all at least console ourselves with the fact we don’t have Adam Cooney as our List Manager.

There’s no way he is serious.

I reckon that suggested trade is purely to get the Carlton meathead market up and about.
More clicks, more advertising revenue.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Unless we can get someone capable of kicking 40+ goals a year (Lynch/2MP) I think it will be Henry Smith next year.

I think we still need mature depth. Can't go into the season with Hipwood and Ryan as our only key forwards over 193cm