List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Lazza16]

Have seen some potential and aggression in Lane so would persist a tad longer.

 

[Lazza16]

Have seen some potential and aggression in Lane so would persist a tad longer.

And no....leave Billy out of this lol

 

[Crusha]

.................................I thought Darryl Junior would be safe at end of last season so I suspect Bruce Reville would need to play or press for a game to be kept on ..................................

Makes it tough for Bruce ............... get a long term injury or your out the door (no matter how well you play in the VFL) .............. or maybe 2 LTI's, if Brain gets the first promotion because of need ........


I do acknowledge you like him though .......... so do I............

 

[Jim Stynes11]

and setup for a future without Daniher/Cameron/McCarthy/Lyons/Zorko/Andrews.

Slipped that one in there.... where's Harris off to?

 

[StevoJenkins]

Slipped that one in there.... where's Harris off to?

He's not going anywhere, but he's 28 now. He's no spring chicken in the AFL world.

 

[Tom14]

He's not going anywhere, but he's 28 now. He's no spring chicken in the AFL world.

He's not 28 until December. I'd say he has at least 5 years left at top level, injuries permitting. If he's really fit he might have another 2 or 3 afterwards - he's never relied on pace/athleticism so won't matter too much if he loses a bit, provided he's playing the right role.

 

[M Malice]

He's not 28 until December. I'd say he has at least 5 years left at top level, injuries permitting. If he's really fit he might have another 2 or 3 afterwards - he's never relied on pace/athleticism so won't matter too much if he loses a bit, provided he's playing the right role.

Yep, IMO most players if dedicated enough can easily play top level footy until 33-34 years of age with modern training and rehab techniques... Scott Pendlebury still playing fantastic footy at 36 years of age.

 

[Jim Stynes11]

He's not going anywhere, but he's 28 now. He's no spring chicken in the AFL world.

he turned 27 two months ago. I don't think he is in the same category as the rest (all 29+)

 

[KissKiss]

I agree that Harris is a good chance at being here for at least another 5 years. But as it often takes about 4 years for young talls to establish themselves we probably should be looking at his long term replacement in the team over the next 2 years (ignoring ZZ might already be in the team)

 

[Nathan Barley]

Just before the all Australians I thought Andrews would end up a ruck. Couldn’t believe someone with his lack of agility could be a superstar key back. Pairing him with someone like Payne is very critical though. Hopefully Payne can find his pre-injury form from last season.

Could still see him finishing his career as a key forward and possibly second ruck. Maybe for a couple of years if the timing works out with Daniher retiring first.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Just before the all Australians I thought Andrews would end up a ruck. Couldn’t believe someone with his lack of agility could be a superstar key back. Pairing him with someone like Payne is very critical though. Hopefully Payne can find his pre-injury form from last season.

Could still see him finishing his career as a key forward and possibly second ruck. Maybe for a couple of years if the timing works out with Daniher retiring first.

He looks ungainly much of the time but despite that he's surprisingly reliable below his knees. Rarely double grabs and is very good at accidentally-on-purpose manoeuvring the ball out of bounds.

Hopefully no umpires are reading this.

 

[Tom14]

He looks ungainly much of the time but despite that he's surprisingly reliable below his knees. Rarely double grabs and is very good at accidentally-on-purpose manoeuvring the ball out of bounds.

Hopefully no umpires are reading this.

His ball-handling and kicking is much improved too. Was always a solid kick, but he's actually pretty good.

Just before the all Australians I thought Andrews would end up a ruck. Couldn’t believe someone with his lack of agility could be a superstar key back. Pairing him with someone like Payne is very critical though. Hopefully Payne can find his pre-injury form from last season.

Could still see him finishing his career as a key forward and possibly second ruck. Maybe for a couple of years if the timing works out with Daniher retiring first.

I can't see him rucking or as a key forward. He'd have to learn the position of being a ruck, and his lack of athleticism already makes him a sub-par option as a forward.

Pairing him with an athletic, tall defender like Payne is the key imo. Let him take on the weakest tall forward and float off and intercept.

 

[briztoon]

Ben Ainsworth

12

Ben Ainsworth

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

12.8

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.6

3star

still unsigned and a free agent this year.

 

[Sproj]

Ben Ainsworth still unsigned and a free agent this year.

Lions fan too right? Bring him in.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Ben Ainsworth still unsigned and a free agent this year.

Could be the perfect Zorko replacement.

 

[Elixuh]

Feels like Ainsworth is someone we had to get 1-3 seasons ago. I reckon he’d be in for the long haul now and I suspect will have a career year this year so will become too expensive for us.

 

[Sproj]

GC could just do us a solid and delist him.

 

[briztoon]

Feels like Ainsworth is someone we had to get 1-3 seasons ago. I reckon he’d be in for the long haul now and I suspect will have a career year this year so will become too expensive for us.

Pretty much my thinking. His family has relocated to the Gold Coast, and pretty reliable reports are that he had to be physically held back from going at Lynch, when Lynch told the GC playing group he was leaving a couple of years ago.

Not sure he’ll get a big contract from GC, as they have quite a few that will command significantly more.

 

[briztoon]

Lions fan too right? Bring him in.

Wasn’t a Lions fan, but predraft Twomey put out an article where Ainsworth said he wanted the Lions to draft him. Pretty sure he was mates with Schache.

 

[Voss the boss]

Lions fan too right? Bring him in.

No he is Richmond. Loved/s Hardwick - family moved up to GC and his best friend years ago. Cant see him going anywhere

 

[RoyBoy17]

Need to prioritise two-way mids and those hybrid type half forwards that can get up and down the ground.

I'm assuming we have a pick in the mid season draft. Use it for the best player available that can play straight away but has scope to be on the list for many years.

 

[briztoon]

Need to prioritise two-way mids and those hybrid type half forwards that can get up and down the ground.

I'm assuming we have a pick in the mid season draft. Use it for the best player available that can play straight away but has scope to be on the list for many years.

As I mentioned in another thread, there’s a pretty good chance that the next four drafts sees us just matching academy kids and Levi Ashcroft.

There’s a chance that our first pick next year might be a live selection. We should have a better idea after the academy has played in the Talent League, as our three best bottom age players are all in the team.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Size is missing in the conversation about the Ashcroft boys plugging the holes in our midfield.

At Freo Lachie had Fyfe to cop a fair bit of the physicality. Here he has been battered pillar to post and there has been no serious attempt to alleviate that even with the inclusion of Dunkley.

I'd rather not continue to see that happening to our undersized midfield.

 

[M Malice]

Size is missing in the conversation about the Ashcroft boys plugging the holes in our midfield.

At Freo Lachie had Fyfe to cop a fair bit of the physicality. Here he has been battered pillar to post and there has been no serious attempt to alleviate that even with the inclusion of Dunkley.

I'd rather not continue to see that happening to our undersized midfield.

Jarrad Jansen, Tom Bell and Cam Ellis-Yolmen were at certain times our big bodied mid saviours.

 

[briztoon]

There’s a few alarm bells going off for me in regards to our list and team selection.

It’s looking pretty obvious that we have little to no depth beyond our best 23/24 players that the coaching/selection committee trust.

Or they are very, very reluctant to play too many youngsters in the team.

With just Ashcroft missing from our first choice midfield, we chose to rush back an obviously underdone Neale for the first game. And play Lyons, even though we appeared to move on from him last season, as he is no longer capable of playing up to today’s style of football.

With just McKenna missing from our first choice defenders, we preferred to play Berry as our bench halfback.

Then we rushed an obviously underdone McKenna back in to the team, after we lost Coleman. And still played Berry as our bench halfback, even though he’s clearly not suited for the position.


We have next to no depth (that the coaches appear to trust) amongst our tall defenders, tall forwards, wings, midfield and halfbacks.


Another concern for me is that Neale and Cameron, two players we rely on so heavily, are starting on their decline.

Neale has been a virtual one man band at the contest, and he’s (in my opinion) starting to show that the wear and tear is starting to show.

Same with Cameron. He certainly appears to have lost a yard of pace.


Then we have players who should be entering their prime years, who appear to have gone backwards in the last couple of years.

Robertson looks lost an ineffective playing in the midfield. He was the number one ball winner in the U18 championships and won the Larke medal (MVP). Against VIC Metro, he out performed Matt Rowell

18

Matt Rowell

Age

24

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, and against VIC Country bashed up Flanders and Serong, to the point that Serong was moved to the forward pocket for the second half of that game, because he couldn’t get near the ball in the first half.

Jaxon Prior looked like he was developing nicely on a wing in his early years. Now he doesn’t even get a look in.