List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Nunez]

Biggest 1-way running mid in the comp.

Imagine LDU starting in the middle with his back to the goals.

 

[briztoon]

With the emergence of Berry now, I'm the complete opposite, personally.

Don't think Robertson will get that many opportunities as a defensive midfielder with us, and truth be told, not sure he has much more of a ceiling (other than playing week in, week out in the middle).

For Tunstill, I think he potentially has a higher ceiling as a more offensive midfielder.

Right now, Robertson would (IMO) have a higher trade value (based on senior games thus far). Therefore I'd rather extract a bit more (in a trade scenario), and keep the player who may have a higher ceiling.

Considering the influx of midfield depth we're expecting over the next year or so though, this is probably rats and mice in the scheme of things.

Robertson and Tunstill have about the same trade value, three parts of sfa.

They would be token 5th round pick swaps, just to clear their salary and list position off the books.

West Coast shouldn’t have any interest in either, but if they did, it should be Robertson to come in a play a similar role to what Keays.

 

[mpal6]

Dev should've taken that West Coast deal. Damn it.

 

[Lion Jack]

How do we get LDU? Loved him in his draft year and would love him at the Lions. Get it done.

Hi All, First post. Looking back it would've been great if we had selected LDU instead of Rayner in the 2017 draft.

 

[Nunez]

Hi All, First post. Looking back it would've been great if we had selected LDU instead of Rayner in the 2017 draft.

Disagree.

 

[Dalions]

Hi All, First post. Looking back it would've been great if we had selected LDU instead of Rayner in the 2017 draft.

Welcome to Big Footy!
I am with Nunez in that I disagree.
Rayner has been a great culture builder especially early in his time here and secondly LDU was a massive flight risk.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Welcome to Big Footy!
I am with Nunez in that I disagree.
Rayner has been a great culture builder especially early in his time here and secondly LDU was a massive flight risk.

Agree with this. In the context of the time Rayner was an important pick for us culturally. A potentially gun Vic kid who wanted to come to a club widely regarded as a basketcase with a depressed fan base. The first sign of light at the end of a long, dark tunnel.

 

[Lion Jack]

Disagree.

Fair enough, but I prefer LDU because he isn't lazy, he can read the play, he can run and he always gives 100%

 

[Nunez]

Fair enough, but I prefer LDU because he isn't lazy, he can read the play, he can run and he always gives 100%

I like LDU, but don't think he's the type of midfielder we really need at the moment. Wasn't really a great top 5 in hindsight.

 

[Lion Jack]

I like LDU, but don't think he's the type of midfielder we really need at the moment. Wasn't really a great top 5 in hindsight.

I think LDU career would thrive in the right surrounds at a strong club and his football capabilities would become elite.

 

[Nunez]

I think LDU career would thrive in the right surrounds at a strong club and his football capabilities would become elite.

Could, for sure. I just don't think he, Neale and Dunkley would be a good trio and equally think Dunks is better than LDU so wouldn't really fit.

I guess in this sliding doors moment we probably wouldn't have recruited Dunkley but who knows.

 

[Tom14]

Fair enough, but I prefer LDU because he isn't lazy, he can read the play, he can run and he always gives 100%

To give LDU the benefit of the doubt, its hard to look consistently good in a bad team. But I don't see him as someone who 'reads the play' and always gives 100% - he's an excellent burst midfielder who doesn't run defensively.

Which is fine! Not all players have to run defensively and he's got the most hurt factor of the current North mids.

 

[rye]

ldu was never available to us. was not willing to move interstate

i believe the choice was considered to have been between rayner and dow at the time.

 

[briztoon]

ldu was never available to us. was not willing to move interstate

i believe the choice was considered to have been between rayner and dow at the time.

Rayner or Brayshaw.

 

[Viceregal]

I think LDU career would thrive in the right surrounds at a strong club and his football capabilities would become elite.

Except that at the time we were not a strong club and our best known super power was the ability to develop players for them to return to centre of the hive...

 

[M Malice]

2017 certainly not in the running for SUPER DRAFT status >

1- Cam Rayner
2- Andrew Brayshaw

8

Andrew Brayshaw

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

3- Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

4- Luke Davies-Uniacke

9

Luke Davies-uniacke

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

CL

2.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.2

4star

5- Adam Cerra
6- Jaidyn Stephenson

2

Jaidyn Stephenson

Age

26

Ht

189cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.5

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

7- Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

8- Nick Coffield
9- Aaron Naughton

33

Aaron Naughton

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

0.8

1star

G

0.5

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.0

1star

10- Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

11- Aiden Bonner
12- Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

13- Jarrod Brander

31

Jarrod Brander

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.3

2star

D

12.3

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.2

2star

14- Matthew Ling
15- Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

16- Ed Richards

20

Ed Richards

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

17- Jack Higgins
18- Brandon Starcevich

4

Brandon Starcevich

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

19- Will Powell
20- Callum Coleman-Jones

21

Callum Coleman-jones

Age

26

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

5.0

5star

G

0.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

5.0

5star

G

0.0

1star

21- Oscar Allen

4

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

28- Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

We did very well considering the overall standard of that draft.

 

[buttermuffs]

Hi All, First post. Looking back it would've been great if we had selected LDU instead of Rayner in the 2017 draft.

I’m sure Essendon kicks themselves for taking McGrath over McCluggage as well.

 

[Nunez]

2017 certainly not in the running for SUPER DRAFT status >

1- Cam Rayner
2- Andrew Brayshaw
3- Paddy Dow
4- Luke Davies-Uniacke
5- Adam Cerra
6- Jaidyn Stephenson
7- Hunter Clark
8- Nick Coffield
9- Aaron Naughton
10- Lochie O'Brien
11- Aiden Bonner
12- Darcy Fogarty
13- Jarrod Brander
14- Matthew Ling
15- Zac Bailey
16- Ed Richards
17- Jack Higgins
18- Brandon Starcevich
19- Will Powell
20- Callum Coleman-Jones

21- Oscar Allen
28- Sam Taylor

We did very well considering the overall standard of that draft.

Of that top ten, I'd only replace Rayner with Naughton. Brayshaw would be nice, but feel we've got enough of his type.

He, Bailey and Starce is quite the haul in comparison to most of the draft.

 

[buttermuffs]

Of that top ten, I'd only replace Rayner with Naughton. Brayshaw would be nice, but feel we've got enough of his type.

He, Bailey and Starce is quite the haul in comparison to most of the draft.

Payne came later as well. We drafted well that year. It’s amazing how much being the first pick years on seems to haunt a few people still.

We took Schache at 2 and Hipwood at around 15 and I always consider it good enough since Hipwood turned out fine. Draft is still a lottery in a lot of ways.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

ldu was never available to us. was not willing to move interstate

Have no idea if this was actually true, but it was certaily the noise at the time.

 

[briztoon]

Have no idea if this was actually true, but it was certaily the noise at the time.

I don’t remember any talk of LDU being a potential flight risk.

There was certainly such talk about Dow and Cerra.

Of that top ten, I'd only replace Rayner with Naughton. Brayshaw would be nice, but feel we've got enough of his type.

Back at the end of 2017 we had sfa of any type. Well we had Beams, Rocky and Zorko, with first year McCluggage and Berry, but we just needed talent back then.

He, Bailey and Starce is quite the haul in comparison to most of the draft.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I don’t remember any talk of LDU being a potential flight risk.

There was certainly such talk about Dow and Cerra.


Back at the end of 2017 we had sfa of any type. Well we had Beams, Rocky and Zorko, with first year McCluggage and Berry, but we just needed talent back then.

But you still know which types tend to be easy to get and which ones are harder to find

 

[rye]

I don’t remember any talk of LDU being a potential flight risk.

There was certainly such talk about Dow and Cerra.


Back at the end of 2017 we had sfa of any type. Well we had Beams, Rocky and Zorko, with first year McCluggage and Berry, but we just needed talent back then.

i believe his father was terminally ill during his draft year

 

[werdna78]

2017 certainly not in the running for SUPER DRAFT status >

1- Cam Rayner
2- Andrew Brayshaw
3- Paddy Dow
4- Luke Davies-Uniacke
5- Adam Cerra
6- Jaidyn Stephenson
7- Hunter Clark
8- Nick Coffield
9- Aaron Naughton
10- Lochie O'Brien
11- Aiden Bonner
12- Darcy Fogarty
13- Jarrod Brander
14- Matthew Ling
15- Zac Bailey
16- Ed Richards
17- Jack Higgins
18- Brandon Starcevich
19- Will Powell
20- Callum Coleman-Jones

21- Oscar Allen
28- Sam Taylor

We did very well considering the overall standard of that draft.

3 top 20 picks in our best 22. Great day for us.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I don’t remember any talk of LDU being a potential flight risk.

I do. Why would you doubt me? I'm always right.