List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[freo1997]

From a random account on X. They reckon Geelong offered him a new deal but Fremantle have supposedly made him an offer too good to turn down.

So bs. Cool.

 

[Dockeroo]

Had a few short term injuries early in the season this year that may have halted any momentum he could’ve had. The TOG is interesting and wasn’t something I was aware of. Thank for sharing that.

There’s some serious underrating of our smaller forwards in here. We lack the real A Grader that most top teams seem to have but I think some just see players do one or two brilliant things a game and think ‘gun’ when in reality the input those players are providing are similar to what Frederick and Switta are providing. Ask opposition fans (not West Coast fans or known Freo bashers) what they think of Frederick and Switta and they certainly wouldn’t be saying we need to replace them to take the next step.

Of course someone needs to go out of the side to fit in an A Grade small forward but I think that’s almost certainly Walters. I would support adding Bolton and a second high end small forward (Pickett or a draft pick) to the list but we might only need one quality small forward to win a flag IMO. Key word is ‘might’ - I’m not 100% sure and posters saying we need two might be right.

I think extra midfield depth and being able to hold on in close games would take us the next step as well. The latter alone probably means we’re top four this season.

Small forwards? Cameron sure. Rayner and Bailey are part time midfielders. Lohmann is a Medium forward. Ah Chee was kicking less goals a game than Walters this year.

Is there answer then to have more midfielders play forward roles instead? Can't fit them in the middle then get them in the forward line?

A more specific way to describe it might be our non-key/tall forwards.
I’d suggest our unit of mediums and smalls is a fair way off the two prelim finalists last night as things stand right now (excluding Bolton or any trade ins).
These are the players from Geelong, Brisbane and Freo that played in the prelim yesterday as medium, small for half forwards:

Charlie Cameron
Kai Lohmann
Cal Ah Chee
Cam Rayner

Tyson Stengle
Gryan Miers
Brad Close
Shaun Mannagh
Oliver Henry
Ollie Dempsey

Cats went with two talls in Neale and Cameron while the lions went with three in Daniher, Hipwood and Morris.
I didn’t even mention that Lincoln McCarthy - a very very good AFL player - will be back in this Brisbane side next year.

Most of the cats and lions players listed above are proven matchwinners. Some are amongst the absolute elite in the AFL in those positions.

From a freo point of view we have three fine young talls in Amiss, Treacy and Jackson. While none are the finished article they are all trending well to varying degrees.

Heres our current set of mediums/smalls and half forward flankers:
Sturt
Switkowski
Banfield
Frederick
Emmett
Walters

They we are down to some untried kids like Delean and Simpson and I think they should not really be considered as every other AFL team has similar aged teenagers developing but still unproven, just like them.

For good measure here is Sydney’s set of small and medium forwards and half forward flankers:
Tom Papley
Will Haywood
Luke Parker
Brayden Campbell
Then people like Heeney and McInerney rotate though the forward line quite a bit.

Even if we add Bolton I still think our unit of non-tall forwards is not close to the level of the best teams. There would also be the issue that he would immediately be possibly the most critical player not to get injured.
If we do go into a final next year with even 3 of Emmett Walters, Banfield and Switta all in the 22, forget about it.

 

[fnerd]

Where did this Close talk originate?

Oh man some muppet with a twitter account made some shit up about us offering Brad close half a million bucks a year and now it’s being discussed as some sort of legitimate option

May aswell ponder how beau mccreery would go in our team
About as relevant

 

[Dayts]

We hired a ex Geelong recruiter as Wako pointed out. Maybe there is some connection

 

[Puregold]

Hearing from a couple of separate people now that Switta might be asking to get sent back to Victoria.
Would love to keep 2 first round picks this year and bring Bolton just with 9 or 10.

9 and Swita for Bolton. Probably not straight with Richmaond but including a 3rd team

 

[Taylor]

Switkowski would be to Melbourne in the Pickett trade.

 

[Docker82]

A more specific way to describe it might be our non-key/tall forwards.
I’d suggest our unit of mediums and smalls is a fair way off the two prelim finalists last night as things stand right now (excluding Bolton or any trade ins).
These are the players from Geelong, Brisbane and Freo that played in the prelim yesterday as medium, small for half forwards:

Charlie Cameron
Kai Lohmann
Cal Ah Chee
Cam Rayner

Tyson Stengle
Gryan Miers
Brad Close
Shaun Mannagh
Oliver Henry
Ollie Dempsey

Cats went with two talls in Neale and Cameron while the lions went with three in Daniher, Hipwood and Morris.
I didn’t even mention that Lincoln McCarthy - a very very good AFL player - will be back in this Brisbane side next year.

Most of the cats and lions players listed above are proven matchwinners. Some are amongst the absolute elite in the AFL in those positions.

From a freo point of view we have three fine young talls in Amiss, Treacy and Jackson. While none are the finished article they are all trending well to varying degrees.

Heres our current set of mediums/smalls and half forward flankers:
Sturt
Switkowski
Banfield
Frederick
Emmett
Walters

They we are down to some untried kids like Delean and Simpson and I think they should not really be considered as every other AFL team has similar aged teenagers developing but still unproven, just like them.

For good measure here is Sydney’s set of small and medium forwards and half forward flankers:
Tom Papley
Will Haywood
Luke Parker
Brayden Campbell
Then people like Heeney and McInerney rotate though the forward line quite a bit.

Even if we add Bolton I still think our unit of non-tall forwards is not close to the level of the best teams. There would also be the issue that he would immediately be possibly the most critical player not to get injured.
If we do go into a final next year with even 3 of Emmett Walters, Banfield and Switta all in the 22, forget about it.

You just ruined every point you tried to make by including Switta in that last sentence.

You might as well say we’re not winning a premiership because we have Heath Chapman or Brennan Cox in our back line. He’s a similar level of player.

 

[s_wd6]

Hearing from a couple of separate people now that Switta might be asking to get sent back to Victoria.
Would love to keep 2 first round picks this year and bring Bolton just with 9 or 10.

9 and Swita for Bolton. Probably not straight with Richmaond but including a 3rd team

Only way I want us to let Switta go is if it’s to get Pickett. Otherwise keep him another year.

 

[WilloTree]

Hamish Brayshaw might be the best player not on an AFL list.

 

[Dockeroo]

You just ruined every point you tried to make by including Switta in that last sentence.

You might as well say we’re not winning a premiership because we have Heath Chapman or Brennan Cox in our back line. He’s a similar level of player.

He doesn’t kick enough goals.
I think he’s good enough in other aspects that you can carry his crippling inability to hit the scoreboard enough, but only if he is surrounded by elite talent in almost all of the other positions in the forward half.

A perfect example was the recent miss v port at a crucial stage, a routine set shot for someone at this level missed then 10 seconds later from the kick in JHF goaled - the ultimate two goal swing, kick in the guts for the team.
That kind of thing is just so ****ing demoralising for the team.

Switta would be amazing surrounded by Bolton and Papley and Charlie Cameron types. We could carry his inability to kick goals then and the other guns around him could make it up.

But Switta, surrounded by Sturt, Banfield Emmett, Walters?
Nah, Not going to cut it.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

Sturt, Freddy, Switta are plenty good enough.
Walters was but not any more sadly.
The rest are below par.
Add Bolton we have the necessary firepower
Add Pickett as well and we're as talented as any forward line in it

 

[theGav56]

Oh man some muppet with a twitter account made some shit up about us offering Brad close half a million bucks a year and now it’s being discussed as some sort of legitimate option

May aswell ponder how beau mccreery would go in our team
About as relevant

It may quicken Richmond in their thinking about Bolton's trade value???

 

[Wee Jessies]

I would rather keep 10 and trade 16 and 27 with 9 to Richmond for Bolton. If we traded and 9 and 10 and both those players became guns it could look really bad for the club. If Richmond get a gun with a pick 16 that becomes 20 then that is just shrewd drafting. 10 gets us a look at Bo Allan and Berry. Arguably Richmond need quantity in the draft and we just need one good quality pick.

9,16 and 27 for Bolton with big salary paid for first two years is more than fair. Richmond can package 27 with their later picks and get Brisbane's first as well.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Hearing from a couple of separate people now that Switta might be asking to get sent back to Victoria.
Would love to keep 2 first round picks this year and bring Bolton just with 9 or 10.

9 and Swita for Bolton. Probably not straight with Richmaond but including a 3rd team

Would explain why we might have a look at close. Much prefer to swap him for Pickett though

 

[Big Flappy]

Would explain why we might have a look at close. Much prefer to swap him for Pickett though

would explain why he came 5th in our BnF too

 

[s_wd6]

would explain why he came 5th in our BnF too

Got two years. We have all the power here.

 

[Purple Jesus]

would explain why he came 5th in our BnF too

Exactly what I was thinking. Magically Cerra was also 5th right before he left too.

 

[s_wd6]

Exactly what I was thinking. Magically Cerra was also 5th right before he left too.

Logue and Lobb also finished top 10 the year they left

 

[stax on the mull]

Was listening to the dude from champion data give a 2024 all-Australian team based on their stats/valuations.

Their team only included Serong from Fremantle but interestingly they named the players on the cusp of selection and they had Switkowski as one of the next 3 forwards, so he must do a lot of things that people don't notice on field. I rate him and we'd miss his value if we were to lose him, even with Bolton likely coming in.

Edit: Correction. 2 Fremantle players Serong and Young made their team.

 

[Lingsface]

If Erasmus does not play alot next year, he must be looking elsewhere to good for WAFL.

Proved it today with a Simpson Medal.

 

[Paracleet]

No fresh news and lots of irritating Switta trade talk. Still the Bollenhagen Trutherism made the catch up on the thread worthwhile by itself.

 

[mike91]

Not sure what's worse, people actually taking a twitter troll seriously and talking about Close, or people continuing to underrate Switta.

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[The Feeder Club]

Not sure what's worse, people actually taking a twitter troll seriously and talking about Close, or people continuing to underrate Switta.

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Underrate switta? I swear I just read people saying we could swap him for Pickett, as if they're equivalent.
I hope he stays but he is hardly indispensable once Bolton comes across. If he does want to leave Essendon would be mad not to look at him, he is a perfect fit for them until their NGA kid whose name escapes me matures. Their current pick 28 would probably be around the right price too

 

[mike91]

Underrate switta? I swear I just read people saying we could swap him for Pickett, as if they're equivalent.
I hope he stays but he is hardly indispensable once Bolton comes across. If he does want to leave Essendon would be mad not to look at him, he is a perfect fit for them until their NGA kid whose name escapes me matures. Their current pick 28 would probably be around the right price too

They're not talking about a direct swap

Switta and Bolton won't be playing the same role. Different players, different roles, different assets, both needed. Yes, underrated

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[s_wd6]

If we want to contend we need to stop leaking b22 players. Sure we might get some in, but it’s a sideways move in a way. Switta has two years left. We need to keep for at least one more year to play WITH Bolton to give us the best chance to contend. Leaking uncontracted players is one thing, but we should not be handing them away for the fun of it just because they asked.

The only exception would be if we used him to help get Warner or Pickett. We can get Bolton and Baker () without him so no need to cave.