List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[fnerd]

Aish is 28! When is the window opening? I guess 2029/2030 if we get in the blokes you want so maybe true.

Yeah but then the likes of them will be too old so no point topping up for trades then either , best to keep all our picks and back to the good ol draft!!

 

[Joao]

While I'm happy to be getting Bolton, I would feel a little better if we could get the price down to 9 and the Port first and keep his contract under 1m a year. Would appreciate Bolton more if he help be signing on a couple extra years at bargain rates. Bolton is pushing this move as much as anyone, would.be nice if he can help

I find it surprising Richmond had to give him a 1m a year contract to keep him in the first place.

I think it's pretty naive (and/or selfish) of him to pursue the move without any expectations of taking a pay cut.

I don't think we can expect him to take a cut, but he needs to extend and take less in the back end.

I'd be staggered if talks about salary compromise didn't come up from our end. In fact, it's negligent if we didn't raise it.

I'm sure we were mad keen until he signed last year. We've clearly moved on so even if we were happy to pay the full $ in principle, there is every chance we can't afford it.

I also do not believe we tell players we are chasing to GAGF because now we can get Bolton. Especially not with the stuff that has been said about managers recently. You'd be torpedoing the club down the line doing that given the amount of power they seem to have.

"Yeah sorry Chad, we're still keen but going to have to bump you down to 700k because something else came up"

There's just no way it goes down like that unless we're incompetent.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Ive got a Richmond supporting cousin who thinks the Bolton trade will be a massive win for both clubs.

According to him Richmond are so far under the salary cap in 2025 if they trade Bolton, Baker and Rioli they have to pay a significant amount of their salaries or risk the AFL fining them for being under the c minimum cap. Richmond will also loose the massive cap burden of Martins contact in 2025 as well as the far lesser contracts of Grimes and Picket. While Richmond also have a massive contract to Lynch off their books at the end of next season while being massively under the 2025 cap already. If we offer two firsts for Bolton it wouldn't surprise me if Richmond payed around $400,000 of his contract per year if not more.

I've come to terms with it costing the first two picks, I agree it will be a rare win for all involved. Wouldn't mind paying a fair price instead of overs for once though. I just can't see Richmond accepting less than the best two picks which is what I kind of meant from.the first post

 

[Alfonz]

Not if it takes an extra first rounder to get that 400k

Considering our list position and draft hand, I consider using a first to effectively increase our salary cap by 400k to be a good use of draft capital. I'm actually glad Bolton is contracted with Richmond needing to meet minimum payment requirements and opening up this option. Extra money to pay gun players is more valuable than a 1st that will likely take years to have an impact and might be a dud.

 

[go_the_dockers]

It was on the proviso that we had money for everyone one we need. Sturt is very definitely a need. I personally like the thought of adding more class from the draft especially from this draft but we no longer have the time.

I disagree.

Hit the draft one more year then top up.

But don't target contracted players.

 

[dont bowl there]

Yeah but then the likes of them will be too old so no point topping up for trades then either , best to keep all our picks and back to the good ol draft!!

Draft forever!

 

[Joao]

go_the_dockers

Just to drill the point home. How many times do you think a Freo player has had 80 or more shots on goal in history (excluding OOB)?

The answer is 9 and 6 of them are Pav . Others are Mods, Medhurst and Clive .

You're absolutely off your tree if you think you can find that level of output from some state league spud or roleplayer at another club. It's better than Walters best by 24 shots.

Edit: just to be clear, it was 84 shots and I understand Owies would get paid less (and rightly so).

 

[freo84]

I disagree.

Hit the draft one more year then top up.

But don't target contracted players.

Every premiership team, every single one has had to target contracted players to finish off the list.

 

[dont bowl there]

go_the_dockers

Just to drill the point home. How many times do you think a Freo player has had 80 or more shots on goal in history (excluding OOB)?

The answer is 9 and 6 of them are Pav . Others are Mods, Medhurst and Clive .

You're absolutely off your tree if you think you can find that level of output from some state league spud or roleplayer at another club. It's better than Walters best by 20 shots.

The point has been made many many many times, Bolton is an absolute gun who can role through the midfield AND has the ability to kick 40 goals in a season. Not sure what else needs to be said or can be said. Anyway, I ****ing can't wait to watch Bolton run around in purple.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

go_the_dockers

Just to drill the point home. How many times do you think a Freo player has had 80 or more shots on goal in history (excluding OOB)?

The answer is 9 and 6 of them are Pav . Others are Mods, Medhurst and Clive .

You're absolutely off your tree if you think you can find that level of output from some state league spud or roleplayer at another club. It's better than Walters best by 20 shots.

I think's the more you look into Bolton the better it gets in terms of what he adds to our team. In 2024 early on in the year he was top 5 on the goal kicking list when he was regularly playing forward but after about round 6 or 7 Richmond had a ton of injuries to their mids. In the weeks that followed he was not only playing as a forward in a team that was getting thrashed regularly midfield but the oppositions best defender was constantly manning him up as he was Richmonds deepest forward. After some low stat weeks he played way more mid than forward for a series og games. My point is that when he played as a forward in a team matching the opposition in the midfield he was the leading small forward in terms of goal kicking in the comp. I think he'll be elite as a small forward in our team.

 

[apuchar]

I disagree.

Hit the draft one more year then top up.

But don't target contracted players.

I wouldn't be against that myself but getting Bolton and not Baker would allow us to do both. Bolton will also add an x factor into our midfield that we could really use. Baker is the waste of a draft pick to me, not Bolton. It pretty much fixes our small forward issue immediately.

 

[go_the_dockers]

go_the_dockers

Just to drill the point home. How many times do you think a Freo player has had 80 or more shots on goal in history (excluding OOB)?

The answer is 9 and 6 of them are Pav . Others are Mods, Medhurst and Clive .

You're absolutely off your tree if you think you can find that level of output from some state league spud or roleplayer at another club. It's better than Walters best by 20 shots.

Does it matter, if they only kick 40 goals.

Not saying he can't play. Just saying two firsts plus 1.2 million is too much.

If he kicked 60 it is a different conversation

 

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[Sherriff Incorporated]

I've come to terms with it costing the first two picks, I agree it will be a rare win for all involved. Wouldn't mind paying a fair price instead of overs for once though. I just can't see Richmond accepting less than the best two picks which is what I kind of meant from.the first post

We actually cant trade our own first rounder this year. Its due to how many of your own first rounders you can trade over a certain period of time and the Jackson trade.

 

[apuchar]

He did say he had a lot of time left at Sydney.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I wouldn't be against that myself but getting Bolton and not Baker would allow us to do both. Bolton will also add an x factor into our midfield that we could really use. Baker is the waste of a draft pick to me, not Bolton. It pretty much fixes our small forward issue immediately.

I just don't rate Bolton as high as most.

To me he is overpaid, and does not kick enough goals justify the cost.

He needs to regularly kick 40 plus to justify the cost and can't miss easy goals. I dont think he will do that.

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

could we go nuts and say ok tigers, take our first 4 picks but we want

vlaustin
baker
bolton
lynch

and pick up the tab of their salaries please too

 

[go_the_dockers]

Every premiership team, every single one has had to target contracted players to finish off the list.

Which ones?

 

[freo84]

Which ones?

All of them...

 

[Midnite65]

Every single person on this board wants Warner but you are going to spew at what the cub will have to give up to get him off a premiership quality side in the Swans. You think Bolton is going to cost a lot...even an out of contract Warner is going to cost us at LEAST 2 first round picks and a huge contract.

A lot of it depends first if Warner wants to come home. There are a lot more clubs that cater for players wanting to go home these days than used to be rather than force them to continue playing somewhere they don't want to be. Not saying that is the case here but a lot of it depends on him.

 

[go_the_dockers]

All of them...

Gunstan, Lynch out of contract.
Prestia, may, lever out of contract.

Lake contracted but pushed out.

Who was contracted and wanted by the club

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Does it matter, if they only kick 40 goals.

Not saying he can't play. Just saying two firsts plus 1.2 million is too much.

If he kicked 60 it is a different conversation

It won't be q1.2 million in salary. In fact it could quite likely will be as much as 500K below that if we offer two first rounders. Richmond cant trade Bolton for picks and not pay part of his salary.

 

[apuchar]

I just don't rate Bolton as high as most.

To me he is overpaid, and does not kick enough goals justify the cost.

He needs to regularly kick 40 plus to justify the cost and can't miss easy goals. I dont think he will do that.

He does spend time in the midfield, so he isn't purely a forward. I don't like his erratic goal kicking either but there other factors. I wouldn't mind knowing his score involvements or goal assists. Not to mention the kick on effect of having to use a very good defender on him.
I think there are holes in our list that we probably still need to fill to finish our list, but the club thinks we are ready to go, so at least Bolton fills 1 1/2 of those holes. Baker doesn't fill any.

 

[Joao]

Does it matter, if they only kick 40 goals.

Not saying he can't play. Just saying two firsts plus 1.2 million is too much.

If he kicked 60 it is a different conversation

**** yes it matters. If you can get 84 shots on goal, you're a very good chance at kicking 60 at least once in your life. I'd say he is a very good chance to kick 50 multiple times unless he spends a lot of time in the midfield.

And stop using 1.2 as if that is set in stone. There are multiple reports and a good chance there could be salary relief.

could we go nuts and say ok tigers, take our first 4 picks but we want

vlaustin
baker
bolton
lynch

and pick up the tab of their salaries please too

WTF do we want Lynch for? To keep Martin company at the physio?

KPF, for the first time ever, is the last thing we need.

 

[Midnite65]

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