List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Nicks_out_now]

Matt Taberner a 31 year old that has been in and out of the Freo side his whole career.... what the hell are you smoking, it's some A grade gear.!!!

Play the ball, not the man

I got it wrong with his age, I should have done my due diligence and checked. I was wrong, but you don't need to be a jerk with your response.

 

[Mutineer]

Play the ball, not the man

I got it wrong with his age, I should have done my due diligence and checked. I was wrong, but you don't need to be a jerk with your response.

Yep you should do the research

 

[Gtowncrow]

How many other U18's draftees played VFL/SANFL/WAFL all year?

Playing in a mostly underperforming Crows SANFL team made up most weeks of 6 - 8 ammo/country level footballers where the delivery was focused on Lachie Gollant/Toby Murray/Chris Burgess/Elliot Himmelberg when the ball actually got deep forward, Tyler played forward pocket and was basically playing the crumbing forward role.

Same with the SA U18's who were very poor and underperforming at the Nationals, again Tony Bamford and Brenton Phillips played Tyler mostly in the forward pocket with the focus on delivery to the two tall towers Charlie Nicholls and Tallan Rosenzweig.

From a draft point of view if Tyler really wanted to go high in the draft he'd have been far better served staying with WWT.

In his one game he played for WWT at U18's level in round 10 he booted 8.1 playing full forward when he was the go to man.

Fair summary.
In this case, at what number should the club not draft him. I.e top 10 or 20 or 30 etc? What is the tipping point of..."that's too much to pay"?

He's been talked about here for a long time now and another Fogarty level forward provides us with excellent flexibility in the future. But is he a likely Fogarty level player?

 

[Nicks_out_now]

Yep you should do the research

You should stop trying to be a hero.

 

[CrowHop]

Does that mean we get a favourable deal next time wirh the Cats for ripping us off for Dangerfield...

That deal still makes me spew


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[Mutineer]

Fair summary.
In this case, at what number should the club not draft him. I.e top 10 or 20 or 30 etc? What is the tipping point of..."that's too much to pay"?

He's been talked about here for a long time now and another Fogarty level forward provides us with excellent flexibility in the future. But is he a likely Fogarty level player?

I guess it depends what recruiters see his role as, I doubt he plays key forward more a medium forward role like a Jake Stringer. He should be a reasonably hard match up with his speed on the lead , strong hands and he's generally an elite shot at goal even from outside of fifty.

If he brings a bid I'd think it would be 40 onwards?

As yet we haven't nominated him as a F/S but i'd think they'll have a number they're prepared to pay so likely they'll inform Tyler and Scotty....obviously they would like to see him slip late/rookie.

 

[crow2crow]

Will be a bad deal if we pay that much, we shouldn't have to, we hold all the cards. No doubt he improves us, but not by a lot and not when it matters. If we're using 25 to trade in a player, they should be peaking around 2027, not about to hang up the boots.

thats fair. im trying to let you all down gently. you can all yell at me before it's announced then it will be a non event when it happens as you wasted your frustrations on me

 

[crow2crow]

That deal still makes me spew


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deal is an interesting term

daylight robbery is more whats in my mind

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

he isn't retiring where did that come from? im saying it wouldn't surprise me if we gave 25 given his numbers. hes 28 - has 4 years, premiership player, and gee if it guarantees murphy doesnt play i happy to give 25 which i still believe is way too far out to get dodson anyway or could get swallowed in a welsh bid once it slides.

look at the big picture. MURPHY = LOSING

Pedlar or literally anyone should replace Murphy.

His selection is on Nicks not the squad.

 

[Golumless]

Let Himmelberg go to the Gold Coast, delist Gollant and chase delisted Fremantle forward Matt Taberner. If Darren Burgess is as good as he says, he can get Taberner body right.

Far more talent over Himmelberg and Gollant, just injury prone.

Why?

No doubt Taberner has some value as a 2nd or 3rd KPF to someone who needs a body who'll compete for a year or two, but we're already coming into 2025 with Thilthorpe, Fogarty and Walker with TMurray, Welsh and whoever is remaining from H'berg, Gollant and Burgess as depth.

When it comes to tall forwards, we're pretty flushed.

 

[1970crow]

But then you also need to trust our recruiters, let’s be honest our draft record is not great

There also gets a point that we can’t stay in rebuild mode, it’s been 7 years and we need to improve our list though all player acquisition options

There is no point bringing in young talent, if we don’t have good leaders to nurture the young talent on game day

We only have to look at our leadership group to see that we don’t have great on-field leaders, and a key reason for this we don’t have a strong playing group in the 25-30 age group because of previous bombed drafts - what gives us hope that the club will bring in a good player at pick 25?

ANB helps fill this gap created by previous poor drafts


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Nobody is saying he’s not worthy of being recruited, but what you just described is the dictionary definition of throwing good money after bad. Us having burnt picks in the past makes it even more important to not overpay going forward.

With respect to leadership, we’ve had Tex and Sloane throughout our entire rebuild. It’s that strong that we’ve got about 10 worthy in our leadership group plus Tex and Sloane and Laird. If leadership is a problem it’s a club cultural issue and ANB isn’t going to change it.

 

[Truck25]

How many other U18's draftees played VFL/SANFL/WAFL all year?

Playing in a mostly underperforming Crows SANFL team made up most weeks of 6 - 8 ammo/country level footballers where the delivery was focused on Lachie Gollant/Toby Murray/Chris Burgess/Elliot Himmelberg when the ball actually got deep forward, Tyler played forward pocket and was basically playing the crumbing forward role.

Same with the SA U18's who were very poor and underperforming at the Nationals, again Tony Bamford and Brenton Phillips played Tyler mostly in the forward pocket with the focus on delivery to the two tall towers Charlie Nicholls and Tallan Rosenzweig.

From a draft point of view if Tyler really wanted to go high in the draft he'd have been far better served staying with WWT.

In his one game he played for WWT at U18's level in round 10 he booted 8.1 playing full forward when he was the go to man.

So he played the perfect season for us, had a look, got some development and reduced his draft value, win win win

 

[crow2crow]

Pedlar or literally anyone should replace Murphy.

His selection is on Nicks not the squad.

pedlar needs to be played in the midfield theres easily a spot for both. i know youre not saying there isnt.

but does anyone see anything in murphy? ive never met anyone who likes his shape, his fumbling, his lack of physical size, his low footy IQ or any other god damn thing. and most importantly the data doesnt back up what kelly and nicks say about murphy

 

[1970crow]

How many other U18's draftees played VFL/SANFL/WAFL all year?

Playing in a mostly underperforming Crows SANFL team made up most weeks of 6 - 8 ammo/country level footballers where the delivery was focused on Lachie Gollant/Toby Murray/Chris Burgess/Elliot Himmelberg when the ball actually got deep forward, Tyler played forward pocket and was basically playing the crumbing forward role.

Same with the SA U18's who were very poor and underperforming at the Nationals, again Tony Bamford and Brenton Phillips played Tyler mostly in the forward pocket with the focus on delivery to the two tall towers Charlie Nicholls and Tallan Rosenzweig.

From a draft point of view if Tyler really wanted to go high in the draft he'd have been far better served staying with WWT.

In his one game he played for WWT at U18's level in round 10 he booted 8.1 playing full forward when he was the go to man.

So you’re saying talent ID don’t understand difference but you do?

 

[crow2crow]

How many other U18's draftees played VFL/SANFL/WAFL all year?

Playing in a mostly underperforming Crows SANFL team made up most weeks of 6 - 8 ammo/country level footballers where the delivery was focused on Lachie Gollant/Toby Murray/Chris Burgess/Elliot Himmelberg when the ball actually got deep forward, Tyler played forward pocket and was basically playing the crumbing forward role.

Same with the SA U18's who were very poor and underperforming at the Nationals, again Tony Bamford and Brenton Phillips played Tyler mostly in the forward pocket with the focus on delivery to the two tall towers Charlie Nicholls and Tallan Rosenzweig.

From a draft point of view if Tyler really wanted to go high in the draft he'd have been far better served staying with WWT.

In his one game he played for WWT at U18's level in round 10 he booted 8.1 playing full forward when he was the go to man.

exactly which is why I dont think he's sliding far from 30 and I still wouldn't be surprised if someone crashes our party in the 20s. i am super excited he will be coming to us.

 

[BigFella!]

And he walked out of Melbourne at 29

Balls in our court

Is it me, or do some people have short memories. We brought Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide with 2 first round draft picks based on his exposed form. The way he played at the Crows he was worth a 3rd rounder and that is being generous. We need to learn from the past; ANB wants to come home, that is great. ANB is happy to play for the Crows, that is great. ANB has had a good career, that is great. Melbourne is understanding that ANB wants to come home, that is great. Melbourne want pick 25, tell 'em they're dreaming! Alex, we are happy to have you, and we would value your skills, experience, and leadership, but, pick 42 is it.

 

[crow2crow]

Is it me, or do some people have short memories. We brought Bryce Gibbs to Adelaide with 2 first round draft picks based on his exposed form. The way he played at the Crows he was worth a 3rd rounder and that is being generous. We need to learn from the past; ANB wants to come home, that is great. ANB is happy to play for the Crows, that is great. ANB has had a good career, that is great. Melbourne is understanding that ANB wants to come home, that is great. Melbourne want pick 25, tell 'em their dreaming! Alex, we are happy to have you, and we would value your skills, experience, and leadership, but, pick 42 is it.

Melbourne are only understanding becuase the trade had already been agreed by the time we heard about it

 

[TBM]

How many other U18's draftees played VFL/SANFL/WAFL all year?

Playing in a mostly underperforming Crows SANFL team made up most weeks of 6 - 8 ammo/country level footballers where the delivery was focused on Lachie Gollant/Toby Murray/Chris Burgess/Elliot Himmelberg when the ball actually got deep forward, Tyler played forward pocket and was basically playing the crumbing forward role.

Same with the SA U18's who were very poor and underperforming at the Nationals, again Tony Bamford and Brenton Phillips played Tyler mostly in the forward pocket with the focus on delivery to the two tall towers Charlie Nicholls and Tallan Rosenzweig.

From a draft point of view if Tyler really wanted to go high in the draft he'd have been far better served staying with WWT.

In his one game he played for WWT at U18's level in round 10 he booted 8.1 playing full forward when he was the go to man.

I'm very excited at the prospect of getting Welsh on the cheaper end.

I haven't heard much about Charlie or Tallan at all. Do you think either of them likely to get drafted?

Surprising that SA would prefer delivery going to lower-ceiling players, as opposed to one with more exposed form in Welsh. Then again, I feel the SA development pathway for U18s appears poor compared to other states - we seem to have a lot more draft sliders than bolters in their top-age years.

 

[Mutineer]

So you’re saying talent ID don’t understand difference but you do?

I wasn't aware any AFL club head recruiter or even a club scout had gone on the public record re Tyler Welsh's draftability?

Do you have a link?

 

[Mutineer]

I'm very excited at the prospect of getting Welsh on the cheaper end.

I haven't heard much about Charlie or Tallan at all. Do you think either of them likely to get drafted?

Surprising that SA would prefer delivery going to lower-ceiling players, as opposed to one with more exposed form in Welsh. Then again, I feel the SA development pathway for U18s appears poor compared to other states - we seem to have a lot more draft sliders than bolters in their top-age years.

Nicholls I would think gets drafted, Rosenzweig a possibility late/rookie.
Those really tall lads don't;get any shorter and most even grow a few cm's.

 

[Mutineer]

So he played the perfect season for us, had a look, got some development and reduced his draft value, win win win

Not sure that's the case with him getting frostbite in the forward pocket with little forward delivery directed at him.

 

[1970crow]

thats fair. im trying to let you all down gently. you can all yell at me before it's announced then it will be a non event when it happens as you wasted your frustrations on me

No one needs to be let down gently, we know that list management are desperate for a quick fix and will potentially do that trade, probably downgrade a 2nd to 3rd next year as steak knives too. But that doesn't mean we won't still post how ridiculous the price just because someone suggested it might happen before the event.

My faith in us at the moment, given the failed season that was meant to be finals, is that we'll end up with Lukoscious, ANB & something average/speculative and we'll have paid 25, F1, F3 with Suns future 2nd and Melbourne F4 coming back. We're talking about desperate and incompetent people with insatiable thirst for anything resembling a win. Matthew Nix, Mark Ricciouto & Adam Kelly are 3 of the 4 key people making list management calls. Just think about their priorities for a second or 2.

 

[crow2crow]

No one needs to be let down gently, we know that list management are desperate for a quick fix and will potentially do that trade, probably downgrade a 2nd to 3rd next year as steak knives too. But that doesn't mean we won't still post how ridiculous the price just because someone suggested it might happen before the event.

My faith in us at the moment, given the failed season that was meant to be finals, is that we'll end up with Lukoscious, ANB & something average/speculative and we'll have paid 25, F1, F3 with Suns future 2nd and Melbourne F4 coming back. We're talking about desperate and incompetent people with insatiable thirst for anything resembling a win. Matthew Nix, Mark Ricciouto & Adam Kelly are 3 of the 4 key people making list management calls. Just think about their priorities for a second or 2.

cheer up.

 

[1970crow]

I wasn't aware any AFL club head recruiter or even a club scout had gone on the public record re Tyler Welsh's draftability?

Do you have a link?

You posted that if he wanted to get selected early he should have stayed in the U18 system. So you're saying that if he slips, it's because he didn't. Which is exactly the same as saying that the recruiters don't understand that playing a season of SANFL makes you look less a prospect than playing a season in the U18s. They're your words, perhaps you should choose them more carefully.

 

[Anzacpaul]

No way on Ned. He's de-list material.

Add him to the pile of 1st round delists selected by the AFC.