Analysis 2024 National Draft

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Broadcast Guide - Live Draft ...

1st Round tonight (20th Nov) from 7.00PM
2nd Round tomorrow night (21st Nov) from 7.00PM

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[marcmurphy3]

I'm curious, how much of a stand out were, for example, Judd or Sheezel, in their junior careers?

Do the young blokes who really succeed, in the senior AFL ranks, have a common recognisable trait?

They were gun juniors but plenty of others are and don't go on to have the same careers. David Swallow is as highly a rated junior as I can remember. Even though he's been a great servant of GC he hasn't had a career that matches his junior exploits.

It's hard to pick one trait but freakishly talented with a great work ethic is a start. Plenty at a junior level get by on talent and others work really hard but to get to the top echelon you need both.

The other thing is not just having elite traits but the right combination of them to succeed in a certain position. Dow a great example. His clearance work was elite as a junior, but he was always going to struggle at AFL level as an inside mid given his bodysize and poor tank.

 

[SpiritOfCarlton]

Should Travaglia be given more of a consideration at our first pick?

When you can throw a blanket over so many players why not go for one of the few guys who has no real problems in any of the important football traits (at least according to reports)?

Revenge of the Bendigo zone?

 

[marcmurphy3]

Was watching an interview with Jagga the other day (from earlier in the year) and caught a couple of FOS. Very different characters.

Jagga seems your consummate professional. Think Walsh, Cotchin, Selwood. Very serious about his football, well spoken, intelligent, mature, student of the game type. Screams future captain.

FOS is a bit of a larrikin. Seems more happy go lucky. A country kid. Not a footy head by his own admission. Doesn't speak nearly as well or come across as that bright. Strikes me as a more instinctive player rather than much of a thinker.

Both lovely kids in their own right. Just quite different. I wonder how much that will factor into who we pick and if there is one personality type, we feel we need more than the other.

Might be wrong. Just my observations.

 

[Tjblues]

Should Travaglia be given more of a consideration at our first pick?

When you can throw a blanket over so many players why not go for one of the few guys who has no real problems in any of the important football traits (at least according to reports)?

Revenge of the Bendigo zone?

Absolutely not.

We had 12 and 14. Every chance travaglia is available at 12. If we wanted him we wouldn’t have traded up that high.

 

[DangerousD]

Morris paraphrased it by saying 6 in Top 20 would be better than 8 in the Top 25 ~ citing they should get higher and less prospects because just like GWS, they all come out of contract at the same time and need plenty of coin to satisfy, or lose them like Treloar and Co. They have a very good opportunity to retool on the fly, but their picks are spread a bit.

Fair point except GWS and GC found it tougher as their players had the go home factor as well.

I don’t see many Vic kids wanting to leave a big Vic club

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Thanks for reminding me why I resisted coming on here for so long and why I will probably step back again.

You have taken the to the time to argue against me in multiple posts, despite me only ever saying it was “arguable” ie plausible or probable not definite, but somehow end up saying you agreed all along that Austin’s picks aren’t misses.

On top of this you get offended with the logical point that the coaches opinion might be more important and informed than yours AND the suggestion that given you think Durdin has played less than a handful of good games while the coach really missed him you might be looking for different things in his game.

You also seem determined to miss the main point that Austin has largely only had late second early third round picks and yet still will have a minimum of 3 and possibly 7 best 23 players in a contending team next year - which should give us all confidence he can nail pick 3 in a super draft - although I am sure whoever he picks will be judged to be wrong be the host of people on here who have watched 5 minutes of highlights

Wait, you made a snide remark to me that was uncalled for.

I didn't somehow make the point that Austin's picks aren't misses. I said from the outside that they aren't hits or misses yet, and you kept responding with more argument.

My point again, they aren't hits OR misses YET.

This is the cut and thrust of message boards. You post a strong opinion and people disagree. You offer up further evidence to back your opinion, and the cut and thrust continued. I said from the start I was in neither camp, so I'm not sure what you were disagreeing with so vehemently.

Having a shot at me as though I suggested my opinion was on a par with Voss, was just cynical. I never got frustrated and had a shot at you.

Up to you whether you stick around. You definitely should. I got smacked around a lot in my early days, and still do occasionally. Most posters here have. It is the nature of forums.

 

[TENACIOUS]

After the Championships, why didn’t Carlton send a kicking and decision making coach over to SA to work with the Camporeale twins.

Or is that not allowed?

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Watching Langford’s video highlights, for someone who isn’t the quickest he always has space when he has the footy and didn’t ever see him get caught or tackled down!!

Elite kick of the footy, can really see the Bont comparisons!! Impressive kid!

 

[Benga]

1. Yes, he played SANFL last year and was averaging over 20 possessions and a number of tackles a game. Place him in an AFL environment, he will increase those numbers.
2. Zach Merrett maybe, is something that comes to mind. Maybe a little quicker than him. Not sure who his mid ranged player comparison would
3. I would hope so, does not mind a tackle, has foot speed and can find the football. He ticks many boxes for me.

Zorko and Prestia are the ones that he really reminds me of.

 

[macky99]

Watching Langford’s video highlights, for someone who isn’t the quickest he always has space when he has the footy and didn’t ever see him get caught or tackled down!!

Elite kick of the footy, can really see the Bont comparisons!! Impressive kid!

Would not be surprised if he becomes the best player from the draft in the Bont & Pendlebury style.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Would not be surprised if he becomes the best player from the draft in the Bont & Pendlebury style.

Even tho he’s probably not the type of mid we need, i honestly wouldn’t be mad if we selected him

 

[BigFrizz36]

carlton supporter

Pretty sure that his father was on our list.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Good video. I like Dylan's take on the point of difference we need.

FOS is the direct, pacy, goalscoring mid that we need. Draper is a pacy worker and not the best kick out there. Banking on him becoming a goalkicker seems an unnecessary risk. If FOS adds accumulation to his game, bearing in mind, he played injured so has excuses why he didn't accumulate this year, then he has the highest ceiling and the biggest point of difference in the draft, aside from maybe Lalor.

 

[Flaggers22]

Was watching an interview with Jagga the other day (from earlier in the year) and caught a couple of FOS. Very different characters.

Jagga seems your consummate professional. Think Walsh, Cotchin, Selwood. Very serious about his football, well spoken, intelligent, mature, student of the game type. Screams future captain.

FOS is a bit of a larrikin. Seems more happy go lucky. A country kid. Not a footy head by his own admission. Doesn't speak nearly as well or come across as that bright. Strikes me as a more instinctive player rather than much of a thinker.

Both lovely kids in their own right. Just quite different. I wonder how much that will factor into who we pick and if there is one personality type, we feel we need more than the other.

Might be wrong. Just my observations.

I did the same after we made the trade and came to similar conclusions. In regards to the last part of your post, if both kids underwent a psych evaluation, Jagga would likely present with the better results. He exhibits signs of the strong conscientiousness profile that sports psychologists crave, as it's the personality trait (in the five factor model) most associated with high athletic performance. O'Sullivan seems more extroverted, which is still a positive trait in team sport, but less likely to draw rave reviews from the clubs psychs.

Here's the interviews I listened to if anyone else is interested.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Good video. I like Dylan's take on the point of difference we need.

FOS is the direct, pacy, goalscoring mid that we need. Draper is a pacy worker and not the best kick out there. Banking on him becoming a goalkicker seems an unnecessary risk. If FOS adds accumulation to his game, bearing in mind, he played injured so has excuses why he didn't accumulate this year, then he has the highest ceiling and the biggest point of difference in the draft, aside from maybe Lalor.

Finn is gonna be a superstar, I think people underestimate the impact he will have coming into our side with the midfielders around him

 

[Benaly28]

Watching Langford’s video highlights, for someone who isn’t the quickest he always has space when he has the footy and didn’t ever see him get caught or tackled down!!

Elite kick of the footy, can really see the Bont comparisons!! Impressive kid!

He’s the one I think will shoot up into the top 5 on draft night.


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[marcmurphy3]

I did the same after we made the trade and came to similar conclusions. In regards to the last part of your post, if both kids underwent a psych evaluation, Jagga would likely present with the better results. He exhibits signs of the strong conscientiousness profile that sports psychologists crave, as it's the personality trait (in the five factor model) most associated with high athletic performance. O'Sullivan seems more extroverted, which is still a positive trait in team sport, but less likely to draw rave reviews from the clubs psychs.

Here's the interviews I listened to if anyone else is interested.

Yeah, I feel if clubs were recruiting on personality alone Jagga would get the tick. Clearly not the only factor though.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Finn is now becoming my preferred option with Jagga!! The more I read about the kid and watch more video, I feel he can be really really special player!!!

Preferences
1. Finn/Jagga
2. Lalor
3. Draper
4. Langford

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Wait, you made a snide remark to me that was uncalled for.

I didn't somehow make the point that Austin's picks aren't misses. I said from the outside that they aren't hits or misses yet, and you kept responding with more argument.

My point again, they aren't hits OR misses YET.

This is the cut and thrust of message boards. You post a strong opinion and people disagree. You offer up further evidence to back your opinion, and the cut and thrust continued. I said from the start I was in neither camp, so I'm not sure what you were disagreeing with so vehemently.

Having a shot at me as though I suggested my opinion was on a par with Voss, was just cynical. I never got frustrated and had a shot at you.

Up to you whether you stick around. You definitely should. I got smacked around a lot in my early days, and still do occasionally. Most posters here have. It is the nature of forums.

By definition an “arguable” position is not “a strong opinion” and while you claimed you were in “neither camp” you continually pointed to players you believed at least weren’t “hits” while I constantly explained I had made a qualified statement by using the term “arguably” (which you seemed to think encouraged your argument), that the picks didn’t have to be hits to not be misses and most importantly, given the pick range they didn’t have to achieve greatness to be a hit.

As for my shot at you - look at what you said, “all coaches have favourites” and “statistically though Durdin is down” and “I don’t think Voss liking him signifies what we see from him is wrong” - seems like you equating to me, if not claiming your opinion is right and Durdin only gets a game because he is Voss’ favourite

As for being smacked around being the nature of forums- it is only so because it is accepted by those who stay and not by those who leave. If you want a better quality of discussion hold yourself and others to a higher standard - until you do you will continue to lose good posters

 

[Lace_Out]

They have Lalor listed at 188m tall [emoji23]

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[The Blue Weirdo]

Finn is now becoming my preferred option with Jagga!! The more I read about the kid and watch more video, I feel he can be really really special player!!!

Preferences
1. Finn/Jagga
2. Lalor
3. Draper
4. Langford

I doubt we will have a choice between FOS and Jagga, one of them will be gone before our pick.
Which should make the decision easier.

 

[zeeCFC]

Watching Langford’s video highlights, for someone who isn’t the quickest he always has space when he has the footy and didn’t ever see him get caught or tackled down!!

Elite kick of the footy, can really see the Bont comparisons!! Impressive kid!

He gets rid of the ball quick and well. To me that's just as important as sprint speed. Don't think he suits our needs as much but would be happy if the recruiters selected him. Very Jordan Dawson like.

 

[ctwenty1]

After the Championships, why didn’t Carlton send a kicking and decision making coach over to SA to work with the Camporeale twins.

Or is that not allowed?

Why would we do that if we want them cheap?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Imo the order of the clubs preference will be as such.

Lalor
FOS
Smith
Draper
Langford


My personal preference would be

Draper
Lalor
Smith
FOS
Langford

Overall though I think we're in a position where we really can't lose with any of the selections. A great bit of trading by Austin and his team, hopefully whoever they decide on ends up the best of the lot.