Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[GreyCrow]

Who says Smith will be mentoring our SANFL players?

 

[Vader]

So when is the cutoff?

Ie: when does one salary cap year end and the next begin?

It just doesn't make sense that if we cut Smith after the season ended we would have to apply his 2025 payment to the previous years season. What if we traded him? Surely after the Grand Final all of the 2024 salary cap payments are done and the new season begins.



This makes it seem like you think we have already paid for Smiths 2025 Salary by bringing it forward and paying it in 2024?

What if we wanted to trade him? Surely that would have opened up his salary?

In answer to your other questions...

If we traded him, then we probably would have ended up paying a part of his 2025 salary, but it would have been included in the 2025 salary cap. Exactly how much we paid would have been negotiated between Adelaide and his new club during the trade negotiations.

If we terminated his contract and delisted him, and he was subsequently recruited by another club in 2025 (either via FA or the Draft), then we would be responsible for the difference between his salary at the new club and what he was contracted to receive at Adelaide. This salary would have been included in the 2025 salary cap.

The fundamental premise is that you can't make AFL football payments to players who aren't on an AFL list. If a player is terminated and DOESN'T end up on an AFL list, then they are eligible for a lump sum termination payment, which needs to be included in the current year's salary cap (while they are still on an AFL list). If they DO end up on an AFL list, then they can continue receiving football payments, and these payments are under that year's salary cap.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Who says Smith will be mentoring our SANFL players?

Mostyn and Vader

 

[Mostyn]

Don't get me wrong, it's our best off season in some time... but most good obseevers knew after watching Strachan he could not run out at AFL game.

After then, the club should have been putting plans in place for a better backup ruck option.

Wouldn't you agree?

We looked primed to make finals this season, but our biggest risk if ROB is missing for any significant time.

Is that good management to be so reliant in 1 player in a squad?

I think the "can't run out an AFL game" thing might be a BigFooty invention, considering that no one I can think of said it until he was subbed off with a groin against Richmond, and then he was foolishly brought back the following week.

That being said - he is already injured, which is an issue. And if he DOES have stamina issues, then that's a big problem. But I don't remember him having them all those months he was running around as the solo ruck in the SANFL, so the jury is out on that for me

 

[beartoo]

Who says Smith will be mentoring our SANFL players?

Looked like he was doing it when playing SANFL last year. Was leading the backline from what I saw.
Interested in why you made that comment? Seems logical that if he plays 2s for all or most of the year that a player of his experience would mentor.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

I think the "can't run out an AFL game" thing might be a BigFooty invention, considering that no one I can think of said it until he was subbed off with a groin against Richmond, and then he was foolishly brought back the following week.

That being said - he is already injured, which is an issue. And if he DOES have stamina issues, then that's a big problem. But I don't remember him having them all those months he was running around as the solo ruck in the SANFL, so the jury is out on that for me

He couldn't run out his AFL games. There were loads of comments on the review of these games.

Clearly this was not as issue for sanfl games, but AFL is another level.

 

[Cromulant]

He couldn't run out his AFL games. There were loads of comments on the review of these games.

Clearly this was not as issue for sanfl games, but AFL is another level.

He also was foolishly brought back, but he was "fit" to do so.

And got reamed by Grundy

 

[Mostyn]

He couldn't run out his AFL games. There were loads of comments on the review of these games.

Clearly this was not as issue for sanfl games, but AFL is another level.

He played two games last year, and was injured in the first one

Did anyone say it the previous year?

Maybe it's true. I'm willing to wait and see, though. Not that I expect he's actually AFL standard.

 

[Cromulant]

He played two games last year, and was injured in the first one

Did anyone say it the previous year?

Maybe it's true. I'm willing to wait and see, though. Not that I expect he's actually AFL standard.

Didn't play an AFL game in 2023

 

[GreyCrow]

Looked like he was doing it when playing SANFL last year. Was leading the backline from what I saw.
Interested in why you made that comment? Seems logical that if he plays 2s for all or most of the year that a player of his experience would mentor.

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He played 15 AFL games so not sure how many SANFL games he played ( 3 games)

I reckon he would have been trying to get back into the A's and given his stats he may have thought he was a chance

I don't think mentoring entered his mind

 

[1970crow]

Didn't play an AFL game in 2023

He's referring to 2024 where he was subbed out due to groin injury in the first of the 2.

 

[Mostyn]

Didn't play an AFL game in 2023

Must have played a couple in 2022 then?

 

[119others]

Essendon’s ruckman Sam Draper could be next on the Crows’ hit list​

Essendon’s ruckman Sam Draper could be next on the Crows’ hit list

Carlton’s Tom De Koning, West Coast captain Oscar Allen and North Melbourne prime mover Luke Davies-Uniacke join Draper among the most fascinating cases in this year’s free agency sweepstakes.

www.theage.com.au

Four industry sources who work in player movement, and were granted anonymity to speak more openly, told The Age that Adelaide were an interested party in the ruck market. There is no indication yet that Draper will leave Essendon, where he has played 73 games and is the No.1 ruckman, but he is focused purely on playing for now after injuries again held him back last season.

The same sources believe Adelaide would need to make an offer of at least $800,000 per season to lure Draper home, given the ascending salary cap from the collective bargaining agreement agreed between the AFL and the players’ association in September 2023

 

[Cromulant]

800K for Sam Draper..... good lord

 

[Amacca 23]

Essendon’s ruckman Sam Draper could be next on the Crows’ hit list​

Essendon’s ruckman Sam Draper could be next on the Crows’ hit list

Carlton’s Tom De Koning, West Coast captain Oscar Allen and North Melbourne prime mover Luke Davies-Uniacke join Draper among the most fascinating cases in this year’s free agency sweepstakes.

www.theage.com.au

Four industry sources who work in player movement, and were granted anonymity to speak more openly, told The Age that Adelaide were an interested party in the ruck market. There is no indication yet that Draper will leave Essendon, where he has played 73 games and is the No.1 ruckman, but he is focused purely on playing for now after injuries again held him back last season.

The same sources believe Adelaide would need to make an offer of at least $800,000 per season to lure Draper home, given the ascending salary cap from the collective bargaining agreement agreed between the AFL and the players’ association in September 2023

No thanks thats a hard pass

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[George CantStandYa]

It’s going to be hilarious to see the reaction of those who haven’t wanted us to draft a developing ruck if we pay $800k plus for Draper.

 

[George CantStandYa]

No thanks thats a hard pass

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Until we trade him and you change your opinion to the club are experts and you support it

 

[skam85]

LOL - they're offering a midtier ruckman $1.7m. LDU has the same on the table from North. Any top shelf player who changes clubs or gets re-signed longterm will be $1m+.

more made up numbers

 

[baldandbroke]

It’s going to be hilarious to see the reaction of those who haven’t wanted us to draft a developing ruck if we pay $800k plus for Draper.

We can’t have it both ways GK.

I think once we decide to pluck our rucks from those that have proven they can compete at AFL level… rather than try to develop one for 3+ years ourselves, you have to pay the above the line rates.

I still think that’s an OK strategy.

I guess once we lock that strategy in - the question is do you pay $800k for a Draper type, or up that number and get someone who is just starting to show they are capable with a tonne of potential?

Both have risk attached. I have come to the conclusion that ruck is not where I would spend our biggest $ on the trade table. I don’t think that $750k range is going to be much worse than what we pay for ROB right now.

You still need a backup though - and that backup needs to be able to slot in straight away and compete. eg Brisbane in the GF.

I guess we will see one way or the other over the next couple of years if this is an area that holds us back from success or not.

 

[skam85]

800k is the new 450k anyway considering we will have to pay 2.5m to get NWM.

 

[George CantStandYa]

We can’t have it both ways GK.

I think once we decide to pluck our rucks from those that have proven they can compete at AFL level… rather than try to develop one for 3+ years ourselves, you have to pay the above the line rates.

I still think that’s an OK strategy.

I guess once we lock that strategy in - the question is do you pay $800k for a Draper type, or up that number and get someone who is just starting to show they are capable with a tonne of potential?

Both have risk attached. I have come to the conclusion that ruck is not where I would spend our biggest $ on the trade table. I don’t think that $750k range is going to be much worse than what we pay for ROB right now.

You still need a backup though - and that backup needs to be able to slot in straight away and compete. eg Brisbane in the GF.

I guess we will see one way or the other over the next couple of years if this is an area that holds us back from success or not.

But the argument is rucks aren’t worth much, hence paying a recruit a lot means there’s value there.

So is it a better option to draft one, not spend much on salary and then you don’t have to pay big bucks to recruit one?

 

[Mostyn]

I'm happy to spend $750k on a ROB replacement, and I'm happy that the league knows we're in the ruck market - it's good for managers to know they can push a few folks our way.

But Draper??

Unconvinced.

 

[Mostyn]

more made up numbers

Which bit?

There are media reports on the numbers St Kilda is offering De Koning.

It's absolute dribble to think you get a top tier player for pennies in the dollar. Just delusional.

 

[Mostyn]

I think once we decide to pluck our rucks from those that have proven they can compete at AFL level… rather than try to develop one for 3+ years ourselves, you have to pay the above the line rates.

You pay a player what he's proven he's worth.

You're paying for the fact that they're a proven commodity, not just some kid who you need to develop for three or four years before you have any idea.

It's worth it to know that they're ready to go and can deliver. That's why so many successful teams have had traded in ruckmen.

 

[George CantStandYa]

You pay a player what he's proven he's worth.

You're paying for the fact that they're a proven commodity, not just some kid who you need to develop for three or four years before you have any idea.

It's worth it to know that they're ready to go and can deliver. That's why so many successful teams have had traded in ruckmen.

lol I’m pretty sure you’ve played down the value of a ruckman and now you’re happy to pay decent dollars for one.

Stick with an opinion, don’t bend it to support the club