Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[FR0GGY]

So do doctors and coaches in sports like AFL

I think Drugs Are Bad Mackay? makes a good case that you can't class motorsport as a team sport because of the engineers, mechanics and all the other people involved with making the car run.

But there are still two drivers/cars per "team" entering the field and there are limited team tactics. Does that make it a team sport? Probably more so than golf as an example

It’s different though, racing is about time and mechanics in a pit stop take over the timed part of the race, at that point the driver has no influence on being quicker only the mechanics do.

 

[Scorpus]

It’s different though, racing is about time and mechanics in a pit stop take over the timed part of the race, at that point the driver has no influence on being quicker only the mechanics do.

But there are many aspects that influence the time of a race that could also apply to individual sports

For example, the performance of the bike in a cycling race, the quality of shoes in athletics, the infamous bodysuits in swimming. All of those elements directly affect the total time of the competitor.

I don't think anyone would argue the swimsuit manufacturer makes the 100m freestyle a team sport

 

[Cromulant]

But there are many aspects that influence the time of a race that could also apply to individual sports

For example, the performance of the bike in a cycling race, the quality of shoes in athletics, the infamous bodysuits in swimming. All of those elements directly affect the total time of the competitor.

I don't think anyone would argue the swimsuit manufacturer makes the 100m freestyle a team sport

Those are all determined prior to a race beginning, the timing of pitstops and the performance of a car during a race is not.

There is a distinct lack of understanding of how motorsport works in here, which is fine. But its incorrect.

 

[FR0GGY]

But there are many aspects that influence the time of a race that could also apply to individual sports

For example, the performance of the bike in a cycling race, the quality of shoes in athletics, the infamous bodysuits in swimming. All of those elements directly affect the total time of the competitor.

I don't think anyone would argue the swimsuit manufacturer makes the 100m freestyle a team sport

But they aren’t substituted in for the athlete at the time.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The good news about all this motorsport chat is that the Sam Draper rumours have run dry

 

[Cromulant]

Whos Sam Draper ??

 

[Cromulant]

So those Matildas hey..... havent they fallen off a cliff.

 

[Scorpus]

But they aren’t substituted in for the athlete at the time.

Well your argument was essentially that if another party contributes to the overall time of the race, then it becomes a team sport. Whether that's before or during the race shouldn't matter all that much

The substitution part is potentially compelling, though not as much as there actually being two drivers on the track that are part of one team

 

[FR0GGY]

Well your argument was essentially that if another party contributes to the overall time of the race, then it becomes a team sport. Whether that's before or during the race shouldn't matter all that much

The substitution part is potentially compelling, though not as much as there actually being two drivers on the track that are part of one team

It all contributes for it being a team sport.
Motorsport also has all the off field people that help.
The Crux of the argument should be if it’s during the event.
It would be like saying a player that gets substituted on only for a minute or two isn’t counted either.
Sport has many components to it and mechanics play an active role during the event.

 

[skam85]

Someone strings up Nadal's racquet too, but it doesn't make tennis a team sport.

Stop doubling down and take another L
It's clearly a sport you know nothing about.

 

[skam85]

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It's awesome when some posters make comments on issues they have no idea about... then double down when those who actually do know something call them out...

So basically his AFL opinions too

 

[skam85]

And why not, here’s another Mostyn

You're a big bully

 

[skam85]

You have to be on the field of battle - participating - to be in the team.

Nicks isn't in the team for instance, even though the coach is obviously important.

It's why they have to have a separate award for the manufacturers, because they're not in the team.

Neil & Buzz walked on the moon. Not those NASA guys

Usually your posts are spot on and I really disagree with you and no I'm not just sucking up to a mod.

But question - on the "field of battle" - who changes the tyres in the pits? The driver?


Nothing further your honour

 

[skam85]

I really should read all the posts in the thread before running my mouth tbh

 

[Scorpus]

It all contributes for it being a team sport.
Motorsport also has all the off field people that help.
The Crux of the argument should be if it’s during the event.
It would be like saying a player that gets substituted on only for a minute or two isn’t counted either.
Sport has many components to it and mechanics play an active role during the event.

I agree that there are many factors to consider. We're discussing technicalities here.

If mechanics playing an active role in the event makes motorsport a team sport, does that mean golf should be redefined as a team sport because the caddy plays an active role?

 

[FR0GGY]

I agree that there are many factors to consider. We're discussing technicalities here.

If mechanics playing an active role in the event makes motorsport a team sport, does that mean golf should be redefined as a team sport because the caddy plays an active role?

Absolutely if the golfer subs out and the caddy takes over for a shot.

 

[Cromulant]

I agree that there are many factors to consider. We're discussing technicalities here.

If mechanics playing an active role in the event makes motorsport a team sport, does that mean golf should be redefined as a team sport because the caddy plays an active role?

Kind of.

Again, a golfer with a range finder could do the same job... he is just too lazy to carry his bag. An F1 race doesnt happen without the guys in the garage.

 

[Scorpus]

Absolutely if the golfer subs out and the caddy takes over for a shot.

But the mechanics do not sub out for any driving. They are performing a different role that is crucial to the success of the team

Caddies also perform a different role to the golfer and do a lot more than just carry clubs around. They're also important to the success of the team.

In both cases I don't think anyone believes the pit crew / caddy is anywhere near as important as the driver / golfer in terms of overall performance

 

[skam85]

Motorsport is a team sport. ChatGPT told me so you're all wrong.

It might not be a team sport in the sense of 22 footballers going for the win or 11 cricketers battling it out. But it is a team sport. Because without the engineers, mechanics, pit crew, strategy team, the drivers can't perform. That's not the same as a physio massaging a tight calf or someone handing a footballer a Powerade because they can still perform (not at a higher level, granted) without it.

Without the entire team, the driver literally cannot start, finish, win, score points, anything.

At the core of motorsport, the driver is typically the main focus, and their performance is often seen as individual. However, motorsport is heavily reliant on teamwork behind the scenes.


For example:

• Formula 1 is a prime example of a team sport, where the driver is just one part of a much larger team. The engineering, pit crew, strategists, and other support staff play a critical role in the driver's success. Success on the track involves seamless coordination between all team members.
• MotoGP also relies on a team, from the mechanics to the engineers, despite the focus on the rider.

In contrast, other motorsports like rally racing (where drivers compete alone or with a co-driver) are more individual, though they still rely on team effort for car preparation and strategy.

 

[Scorpus]

Kind of.

Again, a golfer with a range finder could do the same job... he is just too lazy to carry his bag. An F1 race doesnt happen without the guys in the garage.

An F1 driver could theoretically get out of the car and do the pit work, but it would be very slow. Same way the golfer could theoretically scout and research the course and carry the bags. There's a reason those tasks are offloaded to the pit crew / caddy.

 

[Mostyn]

They refer themselves as a team

So do my accountants.

Look, I don't consider horse racing a team sport either. Each to their own.

 

[Cromulant]

An F1 driver could theoretically get out of the car and do the pit work, but it would be very slow. Same way the golfer could theoretically scout and research the course and carry the bags. There's a reason those tasks are offloaded to the pit crew / caddy.

An F1 driver isnt a mechanical, aerodynamic or electrical engineer though.

All of whom play important roles on a race weekend.

Most golfers know the courses they play like the backs of their hands, particularly on a professional level.

 

[Mostyn]

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It's awesome when some posters make comments on issues they have no idea about... then double down when those who actually do know something call them out...

LOL, it's just people filling in time on the internet doing banter, Kane. No need to take yourself so seriously.

 

[Cromulant]

LOL, it's just people filling in time on the internet doing banter, Kane. No need to take yourself so seriously.

Oh so now youve been proven wrong its all banter ??

Cool.

 

[Mostyn]

It's really the only sport (sailing similar) where the design of the 'tool' is so critical to success. The ability to maximise car performance within the confines of the rules is just as big (if not larger) contributor to success in motorsport. Look at Jenson Button in 2009.

Can you put Verstappen in a Sauber and win? No, there's a limit to driver effect (look at Bottas). Can you put Ocon in a Mercedes and dominate? Also unlikely.

Yeah, can it be a sport if it's as simple as those with most money to buy the best tool wins?

Actually, maybe I'm also describing soccer ...