2024 State Of Origin teams

[MrSwannee84]

For State of Origin to return, it really needs to be Vic, SA & WA tri-series for it to work properly and its linked with the bye weeks in pre-season, mid-season and pre-finals.

Example, SoO Series 1, 2025
Week 1, Vic vs SA, March
Week 2, SA vs WA, May
Week 3, WA vs Vic, August

Example, SoO Series 2, 2027
Week 1, WA vs SA, March
Week 2, Vic vs WA, May
Week 3, SA vs Vic, August

Qld/NT, NSW/ACT & Tas could have their own series in parallel.

No offence to WA but it needs to remain being Vic vs SA.

If Victorians don't give a shit about it have the game played exclusively at Adelaide Oval where people who do give a shit will turn up in droves.

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[The Terrible Thinker]

No offence to WA but it needs to remain being Vic vs SA.

If Victorians don't give a shit about it have the game played exclusively at Adelaide Oval where people who do give a shit will turn up in droves.

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You cant write off WA, Perth's population is bigger than Adelaide's and their 2 AFL teams average higher attendances. They would care about the concept just as much as SA.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

No offence to WA but it needs to remain being Vic vs SA.

If Victorians don't give a shit about it have the game played exclusively at Adelaide Oval where people who do give a shit will turn up in droves.

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It was often Vic v WA, it started with WA v Vic.
Vic v SA did become the big one, but the demographics have changed and WA would be more likely to put up a competitive performance these days.

 

[Nugett]

I think that the best way would be to rank the teams if we go for state of origin. Have it like the Davis cup, where you alternate venues between states.

1. VIC
2. WA
3. SA
4. NSW/ACT
5. QLD/NT
6. TAS

In the preseason have
3 v 6
4 v 5

Have a total bye in the middle season where you can then play
1 v 4
2 v 3

Then during the pre finals bye
You can then have the final.

 

[p4p1]

Allies and All-Stars were hated by the affected states. No conglomeration thing is going to work.
I doubt clubs would allow anything to work, and the fan base that loved Origin is on the way out without there seeming to be even theoretical interest from millenials and younger.

I would love it to return, with real states and territories (OK, not ACT) but clubs won't allow it, and it would likely flop like the pre-season cup did. Once the clubs and players have no buy-in, its over. Even if the fans once did buy in they won't any more.

Allies and All-Stars were hated because Victoria still had full representation while the other states did not. By not having any single state represented, it could remove that issue. It just becomes and all star game rather than so much of a SoO game.
I agree that the lack of buy in from clubs and to a lesser extent players will be the biggest hurdle. Other than a pre-season praccy match, I don't see any other time it could really be done.

 

[thejester]

Stupid idea. It’s state of origin, not region of origin. So Victoria is strong at the moment, who cares - it goes in cycles like all things.

Unless the demographics of Australia fundamentally change it's not going to be a cycle, Victoria will always be the strongest side. There is a reason Metro/Country exist.

EDIT: to put some numbers on this: SA's population (as far as I can find) was 1.475 million in 1995. Victoria's was 4.52 million. As of June 2024 SA's was 1.878 million and Victoria's was 6.981.

 

[iameviljez]

Therein lies the problem. The clubs HATES the SoS concept whenever its played for that reason. That why the AFL has to tell them what to do and not ask them.

As a fan, I would absolutely hate it if my team lost a key player in an August SoO.

If we were mounting a serious flag challenge, I would not want Cameron, Holmes or Dangerfield anywhere near State of Origin in August.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I think that the best way would be to rank the teams if we go for state of origin. Have it like the Davis cup, where you alternate venues between states.

1. VIC
2. WA
3. SA
4. NSW/ACT
5. QLD/NT
6. TAS

In the preseason have
3 v 6
4 v 5

Have a total bye in the middle season where you can then play
1 v 4
2 v 3

Then during the pre finals bye
You can then have the final.

The only chance (and its close enough to zero to call it zero) of clubs allowing it is post-season, in the pre-covid International Rules window.
But even then they would just put players into surgery or claim minor niggles and recuperation needs.

 

[Walshawk]

Would be fascinating if they actually did this and it sounds like Dillon is genuinely keen to try it, possibly as soon as next year. Just one thing - I wouldn't combine QLD & NT. I think you need a standalone QLD team in order to get full buy in from Queenslanders. I know that messes with your format, but I think it's important for the third biggest state in the country to have its own standalone team.

Split Victoria into Vic Metro and Vic Country for the first iteration just to see what happens and have Vic Metro play WA for the title, while Vic Country plays NSW or SA for the Div II title. Then have QLD play the other state that's not competing against Vic Country (NSW or SA) for the Div III title and have Tassie play NT for the Div IV title. Adding promotion and relegation stipulations would make it even more interesting because, in theory, it would mean teams like Tassie or the NT could work their way up the pyramid and eventually become Div I national champions one day. That keeps people invested year on year.

If it turns out Vic Metro and Vic Country are too weak on their own, you can combine them later on.

NT can’t have a team. Two years ago there was only eight players on AFL lists. Not sure if it’s up or down since then but nowhere near enough.

Tassie probably can’t form a tea either, so perhaps you have
Vic
WA
SA
Qld
NSW/ACT
Tassie & friends (NT & International).

 

[Nugett]

The only chance (and its close enough to zero to call it zero) of clubs allowing it is post-season, in the pre-covid International Rules window.
But even then they would just put players into surgery or claim minor niggles and recuperation needs.

Agree, that Origin is unlikely for a return. Clubs don’t want to risk the players.

 

[Nugett]

Another concept would be to field teams from state leagues, rather than AFL listed players

 

[iameviljez]

The other thing to consider is... what's the purpose of State of Origin? What is it about SoO that will actually attract fans and engender passion?

In the 80s, it made sense - SA and WA had (rightly) resentment about the best players in their states being poached by the riches of the VFL and saw State of Origin as a chance to prove something, and have a homecoming. For a lot of fans of Victorian teams that were no hope of winning a flag due to their financial situation, it was as close as their star players would get to a blockbuster.

Now a lot of those factors have been nullified; all major footy states have two teams, equalisation means that most players will get to go deep into September at some point. I'm not sure the appeal is genuinely there.

 

[iameviljez]

Another concept would be to field teams from state leagues, rather than AFL listed players

This is already done every year.

 

[Nugett]

This is already done every year.

I wasn’t aware, so can’t be that popular then!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

SEN have done an updated WA side.

Team is certainly no pushover, especially in front of 65000 WA ferals

 

[Jager bombers]

My plan would be the following...

The teams:

• Vic Metro
• Vic Country
• SA
• WA

I know a lot here would be opposed to splitting up VIC. But, a stand alone VIC team would be too strong too often, which would make many lose interest. They already do this at U18 level so you would know where most players qualify before getting to the senior SoO teams. For eligibility I would follow the same style of rules as the NRL.

To add to the controversy, I would cut the AFL season shorter so every AFL team plays each other only once.

There would be 3 rounds of 2x SoO games (so each SoO team plays each other once).
The top 2 teams on the SoO ladder would play each other in a SoO Grand Final.


A fixture example would be...
AFL Rounds 1-5
SoO 1st Round (AFL teams have bye)

AFL Rounds 6-10
SoO 2nd Round (AFL teams have bye)

AFL Rounds 11-14
SoO 3rd Round (AFL teams have bye)

AFL Rounds 15-17
AFL Finals Series
SoO Grand final played the week after (or 2 weeks after) the AFL Grand Final.


I know the AFL would NEVER go for this.
LOL! they wouldn't cut 6 AFL rounds out (well, 5 when you include the TAS team).
But they were already toying with the idea of a wildcard round also.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Hopefully you don't feel I've wasted your time reading it.

 

[RUNVS]

SEN have done an updated WA side.

Team is certainly no pushover, especially in front of 65000 WA ferals

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A bit weak in the midfield but very strong with Key Position players.

 

[GC2015]

SEN have done an updated WA side.

Team is certainly no pushover, especially in front of 65000 WA ferals

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Charlie Cameron wouldn't qualify for Western Australia under any set of SoO rules. He lived in Queensland for the first 17 years of his life, first played footy at Marist College in Brisbane and was a member of the Brisbane Lions Academy back then. He is a Queenslander in any kind of SoO competition.

 

[Papa G]

This such a dead concept I honestly have no idea why people keep on bringing it up.

When WA and SA had excellent standalone competitions with excellent junior development pathways through the SANFL/WAFL in the old not even semi pro days it was in general, highly competitive. It was an era where the different styles of football existed, great players didn't all play in the same comp, in short there was a clear separation and interest in how they would compete and compare. The differing style, players, personalities etc.

Now we just have have the same monotonous drones, playing the same monotonous way in the same monotonous competition. The players pretend they have an interest in it but they don't. Neither does the public in general. Look at how the ratings in the NBA Allstars game have tumbled over the years. No one gives a shit.

State of Origin is of a bygone era and is dead and buried. It really is pointless thinking otherwise.

 

[p4p1]

Charlie Cameron wouldn't qualify for Western Australia under any set of SoO rules. He lived in Queensland for the first 17 years of his life, first played footy at Marist College in Brisbane and was a member of the Brisbane Lions Academy back then. He is a Queenslander in any kind of SoO competition.

He was drafted from WA, represented WA in the under 18s comp, played WAFL colts as well. I agree he is a Queenslander but an argument could be made for his selection for WA.

 

[GC2015]

He was drafted from WA, represented WA in the under 18s comp, played WAFL colts as well. I agree he is a Queenslander but an argument could be made for his selection for WA.

Do you think Cyril Rioli would have been selected to represent Victoria had SoO existed when he was playing in the AFL? He boarded at Scotch (like Cameron did at Aquinas College in Perth) and was drafted from Victoria into the AFL.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Do you think Cyril Rioli would have been selected to represent Victoria had SoO existed when he was playing in the AFL? He boarded at Scotch (like Cameron did at Aquinas College in Perth) and was drafted from Victoria into the AFL.

I think the rules used to be about where you spent the most time living between the ages of 11 and 18, or something like that.

Nathan Buckley had lived in basically every state before the age of 12, then lived in the NT for five years, then boarded in Melbourne for a year or two. The rules made him NT for state of origin i believe.

Then he played in Adelaide, went to Brisbane for a year, and settled at Collingwood.

 

[catters05]

For me, I think the NT has probably more connection with SA then QLD.

 

[catters05]

Vic City vs Vic Metro
SA vs WA
QLD vs NSW/ACT
NT vs TAS

 

[Farang83150]

The problem with State of Origin was it got ridiculous adding WA, Tasmania, Allies etc. AFL State of Origin is South Australia vs Victoria. The last time SA played Victoria at the old Football Park in 1997 they got a crowd of 40,595. If they played a SA vs Vic Origin match at Adelaide Oval now they'd get 52K easily.

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What a stupid post