List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.3

[maanco]

I feel we and a few other clubs failed to clue into the "secret draft hack that Geelong and a couple of others have worked out" (clickbait lingo for the millennial in here)

Keep a few 3rd & 4th round picks that will jump up the order as the picks around them get eaten up with bid matching on academy and fs players.

Our pick 32 won't be affected but that 47 might, as will all 3 of the Cats picks.

We will probably use those late picks on our own nga/fs players.

And we slid pick 27 to pick 32 which will remain at 32 due to picks disappearing and being created.

 

[maanco]

If needs be we can probably put Crouch on the inactive list, and get ourselves something in the supplementary or mid season draft

Can this be the sandy rookie?

 

[hangdog]

Might have been mentioned already, but surely we can talk to Richmond about 10 or 11 this year, for our future pick(s).
Has anyone got news on that?

I wouldn't be surprised if Richmond make a go at North's pick 2. North would demand Pick 6 (pretty sure they've said they don't want to slide very much if they give up pick 2), and Richmond has such an embarrassment of picks they can be a little wasteful/generous.

eg.

In: Pick 2, Furture 2nd
Out: Pick 6, 11 & 24.

As for the Saints, I'd really like us to use of F1 to get another pick in this years top 15 or so. I see the list changes being something like this.

IN: Jack Macrae / Pick 7 / Pick 8 / Pick 32 / Pick 47-DFA-PSP / Elwood Peckett / Lennox Hofmann / Adrian Cole / Max Hall *

OUT: Tom Campbell / Riley Bonner / Matt Allison / James Van Es / Seb Ross / Josh Battle / Tim Membrey / Ben Paton * / Brad Crouch *

I'd reaaalllly like to roll Picks 32 & 47 into the Hawks F2 that was sent to West Coast. On 2024 ladder positions, WC has 3, 13, 21, 31, 39, 49, 75 in 2025, with pick 31 being the Hawks F2. WC have picks 12 and 26 before their next pick at 73, and they'll want to have something in between fort Malakia Champion. A F2 gives us a little more trading ammo in case we do make a play for a Finn Callaghan or similar.

I'd also love it if we traded our F1 into a top 15 pick this year. I think Richmond's pick 11 would be my target (Ignoring my Tigers/Roos trade mentioned above). They need to move a couple of these high picks into 2025 and our F1 would be one of the most attractive in the comp. I'd discuss F1 and F3 for Pick 11 (on 2024 standings, that would be pick 7 and 43 for pick 11, which is pretty damned generous. Maybe Richmond's F4 would need to come back, which is 55 on current standings).

Would give us...
IN: Pick 11, F2 (Hawks pick from WC), F4 (Rich)
OUT: F1, Pick 32, Pick 47, F3,

2024 Draft and Trade: Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 11, Cole, Hoffman, Peckett, Macrea, DFA/PSP, Hall*
2025 Draft: F2 (StK), F2 (Haw), F4 (Rich), F4 (StK)

 

[Pou Steele]

I wouldn't be surprised if Richmond make a go at North's pick 2. North would demand Pick 6 (pretty sure they've said they don't want to slide very much if they give up pick 2), and Richmond has such an embarrassment of picks they can be a little wasteful/generous.

eg.

In: Pick 2, Furture 2nd
Out: Pick 6, 11 & 24.

As for the Saints, I'd really like us to use of F1 to get another pick in this years top 15 or so. I see the list changes being something like this.

IN: Jack Macrae / Pick 7 / Pick 8 / Pick 32 / Pick 47-DFA-PSP / Elwood Peckett / Lennox Hofmann / Adrian Cole / Max Hall *

OUT: Tom Campbell / Riley Bonner / Matt Allison / James Van Es / Seb Ross / Josh Battle / Tim Membrey / Ben Paton * / Brad Crouch *

I'd reaaalllly like to roll Picks 32 & 47 into the Hawks F2 that was sent to West Coast. On 2024 ladder positions, WC has 3, 13, 21, 31, 39, 49, 75 in 2025, with pick 31 being the Hawks F2. WC have picks 12 and 26 before their next pick at 73, and they'll want to have something in between fort Malakia Champion. A F2 gives us a little more trading ammo in case we do make a play for a Finn Callaghan or similar.

I'd also love it if we traded our F1 into a top 15 pick this year. I think Richmond's pick 11 would be my target (Ignoring my Tigers/Roos trade mentioned above). They need to move a couple of these high picks into 2025 and our F1 would be one of the most attractive in the comp. I'd discuss F1 and F3 for Pick 11 (on 2024 standings, that would be pick 7 and 43 for pick 11, which is pretty damned generous. Maybe Richmond's F4 would need to come back, which is 55 on current standings).

Would give us...
IN: Pick 11, F2 (Hawks pick from WC), F4 (Rich)
OUT: F1, Pick 32, Pick 47, F3,

2024 Draft and Trade: Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 11, Cole, Hoffman, Peckett, Macrea, DFA/PSP, Hall*
2025 Draft: F2 (StK), F2 (Haw), F4 (Rich), F4 (StK)

Love the thought that you’ve put into this. But peg me dead I have no far king idea what is going on

 

[maanco]

Is Brayden Crossley

Brayden Crossley

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

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9.4

2star

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4.5

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HB

4.9

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M

2.4

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T

2.2

4star

G

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

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K

5.0

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HB

4.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

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2.2

4star

G

0.6

3star

a delisted free agent?

 

[The Jack]

Crouch not done yet according to Missen.

 

[hangdog]

Handy for those of you at home trying to figure out list spots.

Pretty sure Sharman is no longer a rookie, with his 2 year contract the other month. Leaves us with the following rookies.

Rookies: Jack Hayes, Max Hall, Max Heath, Anthony Caminiti
Cat B: Angus McLennan, Liam O'Connell

We have 34 on the primary list currently (including Macrea), likely to drop to 32 with Membrey (FA) and Paton (delisted).

 

[akaifu]

I wouldn't be surprised if Richmond make a go at North's pick 2. North would demand Pick 6 (pretty sure they've said they don't want to slide very much if they give up pick 2), and Richmond has such an embarrassment of picks they can be a little wasteful/generous.

eg.

In: Pick 2, Furture 2nd
Out: Pick 6, 11 & 24.

As for the Saints, I'd really like us to use of F1 to get another pick in this years top 15 or so. I see the list changes being something like this.

IN: Jack Macrae / Pick 7 / Pick 8 / Pick 32 / Pick 47-DFA-PSP / Elwood Peckett / Lennox Hofmann / Adrian Cole / Max Hall *

OUT: Tom Campbell / Riley Bonner / Matt Allison / James Van Es / Seb Ross / Josh Battle / Tim Membrey / Ben Paton * / Brad Crouch *

I'd reaaalllly like to roll Picks 32 & 47 into the Hawks F2 that was sent to West Coast. On 2024 ladder positions, WC has 3, 13, 21, 31, 39, 49, 75 in 2025, with pick 31 being the Hawks F2. WC have picks 12 and 26 before their next pick at 73, and they'll want to have something in between fort Malakia Champion. A F2 gives us a little more trading ammo in case we do make a play for a Finn Callaghan or similar.

I'd also love it if we traded our F1 into a top 15 pick this year. I think Richmond's pick 11 would be my target (Ignoring my Tigers/Roos trade mentioned above). They need to move a couple of these high picks into 2025 and our F1 would be one of the most attractive in the comp. I'd discuss F1 and F3 for Pick 11 (on 2024 standings, that would be pick 7 and 43 for pick 11, which is pretty damned generous. Maybe Richmond's F4 would need to come back, which is 55 on current standings).

Would give us...
IN: Pick 11, F2 (Hawks pick from WC), F4 (Rich)
OUT: F1, Pick 32, Pick 47, F3,

2024 Draft and Trade: Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 11, Cole, Hoffman, Peckett, Macrea, DFA/PSP, Hall*
2025 Draft: F2 (StK), F2 (Haw), F4 (Rich), F4 (StK)

No way we’re swapping 32 for an F2

If there was ever a year to use a second round pick, this is the year. So much talent

 

[stavro#4]

No way we’re swapping 32 for an F2

If there was ever a year to use a second round pick, this is the year. So much talent

8 + 32 + F2

For

15+16+21

Made on draft night on the clock for P7

 

[hangdog]

Yeah, I agree, think Dodson or Gerryn should be in the frame at pick 32, if Jones's body holds up, rover position is his, allowing Sinclair to rotate with him.

I think Dodson will go pretty early, comparative to his draft ranking. He's the standout ruckman of the draft by a fair margin it seams. Would need an early 20's pick to be comfortable.

 

[hangdog]

I’ve crunched some numbers and have looked at the current picks of each team.

I’ve assumed Ashcroft is bid by pick 3, Kako by pick 10 and Lombard by pick 15 (all extremely likely).

Sydney currently has picks 19 & 22. Those picks will become 22 and 25 after those three bids are matched.

Saints pick 32 will stay pick 32, while our pick 47 will probably become pick 41.

The gap between Sydney’s picks and our picks will close significantly. Something to consider if using future picks to help get a better draft hand.


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Lombard will be bud on in the top 10 I'm predicting.

Edit: why did I say "bid" with a NZ accent?

 

[akaifu]

8 + 32 + F2

For

15+16+21

Made on draft night on the clock for P7

Is that an idea or do you have info?

 

[CursingFijian]

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Mrs Cursing says don’t forget after care for both parties, a good anti-aging & firming lotion should be liberally applied.

 

[TheJackal]

The Kemp situation is pretty annoying, I dare say if the Dogs didn't sit on their hands all trade period then it could've been worked.

So we offered our F2, they wanted 32, credit Stav for the info.

It would've been our freebie pick from GWS for Kemp & Macrae, which would fill our biggest 2 positional needs within our best 22.

One look at Carltons draft hand sees them stacked for late picks for the twins, that's unfortunate because we would've loved then no doubt. They had also traded their F1, so again, hamstrung for late future picks.

Geelong had minimum chips in the way of late picks with only 3 selections, Dogs had nothing late either. Seems both clubs wanted to keep all of their future picks.

So back to Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

42

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

, they had to send that on to the Cats anyway. A week of posturing for 2 spot improvement, then to swap with Cats for a 7 spot improvement with Smith. He is clutching at nothing but other clubs deal in good faith and practically give away picks.

It's a shame considering all 4 clubs were involved in the trade, with more time to haggle I reckon Kemp would've been a Saints player.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Mrs Cursing says don’t forget after care for both parties, a good anti-aging & firming lotion should be liberally applied.

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The hideousness of that finger shall haunt my dreams.

 

[DougalHoward]

Mrs Cursing says don’t forget after care for both parties, a good anti-aging & firming lotion should be liberally applied.

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Thanks CF just moisturised my hands

 

[akaifu]

The Kemp situation is pretty annoying, I dare say if the Dogs didn't sit on their hands all trade period then it could've been worked.

So we offered our F2, they wanted 32, credit Stav for the info.

It would've been our freebie pick from GWS for Kemp & Macrae, which would fill our biggest 2 positional needs within our best 22.

One look at Carltons draft hand sees them stacked for late picks for the twins, that's unfortunate because we would've loved then no doubt. They had also traded their F1, so again, hamstrung for late future picks.

Geelong had minimum chips in the way of late picks with only 3 selections, Dogs had nothing late either. Seems both clubs wanted to keep all of their future picks.

So back to Sam Power, they had to send that on to the Cats anyway. A week of posturing for 2 spot improvement, then to swap with Cats for a 7 spot improvement with Smith. He is clutching at nothing but other clubs deal in good faith and practically give away picks.

It's a shame considering all 4 clubs were involved in the trade, with more time to haggle I reckon Kemp would've been a Saints player.

Yeah I reckon missing out on Kemp could burn us to an extent. Maybe not as bad as Xerri but Kemp was a top 5 prospect in his draft year before an ACL. AFL regular, 23 years old, fills a positional need, and would only cost pick 32 + junk

Missed opportunity

 

[Saintsydney]

The Kemp situation is pretty annoying, I dare say if the Dogs didn't sit on their hands all trade period then it could've been worked.

So we offered our F2, they wanted 32, credit Stav for the info.

It would've been our freebie pick from GWS for Kemp & Macrae, which would fill our biggest 2 positional needs within our best 22.

One look at Carltons draft hand sees them stacked for late picks for the twins, that's unfortunate because we would've loved then no doubt. They had also traded their F1, so again, hamstrung for late future picks.

Geelong had minimum chips in the way of late picks with only 3 selections, Dogs had nothing late either. Seems both clubs wanted to keep all of their future picks.

So back to Sam Power, they had to send that on to the Cats anyway. A week of posturing for 2 spot improvement, then to swap with Cats for a 7 spot improvement with Smith. He is clutching at nothing but other clubs deal in good faith and practically give away picks.

It's a shame considering all 4 clubs were involved in the trade, with more time to haggle I reckon Kemp would've been a Saints player.

wonder if we tried F2 and swap 32 for 38 for Kemp ?

 

[TheJackal]

8 + 32 + F2

For

15+16+21

Made on draft night on the clock for P7

I'm glad I saw that last sentence, I was very ready to say it would want to be a live trade. That F2 could be important for an academy club, but it would mean F1 would probably be kept.

Regarding our F1, unless we can wrangle a bunch of late picks in either draft, we have backed ourselves into a corner a little bit with point for our freebie kids not there.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Cameras have caught the exact moment that Silvagni convinced Power to accept pick 45 for Macrae.

 

[CursingFijian]

Kemps highlights looked impressive. But he has got a history of being unavailable for selection.

I’m not prepared to say it was a good or bad move until i see who we get at 32, or whether we deal it for a better draft hand.

But our unwillingness to depart with the pick suggests we know what it’s worth is.

Any connections we have to Kemp now (SOS / Dow / Stocker) won’t go away over the next 12 months. Patience may be the right play.

 

[TheJackal]

Yeah I reckon missing out on Kemp could burn us to an extent. Maybe not as bad as Xerri but Kemp was a top 5 prospect in his draft year before an ACL. AFL regular, 23 years old, fills a positional need, and would only cost pick 32 + junk

Missed opportunity

I guess looking at the big picture of the three trades that we made I would've been happy with Kemp & Macrae for that freebie 2nd. Initially I hated the idea, but warmed to it as time went on.

Would've meant our off-season so far would be:

St Kilda in: 8, Macrae, Kemp
St Kilda out: Battle, 27.

Instead we did...

St Kilda in: 8, Macrae, 32
St Kilda out: Battle, 27.

It's a great draft, so not going to lose sleep over it - but Doogs and Wilks (and Roma for that matter) are going to have their work cut out for them.

As has been alluded, that 32 may be super important for a pick swap as well. So again, let's look at the big picture once it's all said and done.

 

[The Jack]

We haven’t improved ourselves over the trade and free agency period. If anything we’ve regressed. Yes a good, but aging midfielder comes in, but opportunities for a Battle replacement and possible ruck support went nowhere.

Getting excited now about who pops up as a DFA now is actually pretty depressing.

 

[TheJackal]

Kemps highlights looked impressive. But he has got a history of being unavailable for selection.

I’m not prepared to say it was a good or bad move until i see who we get at 32, or whether we deal it for a better draft hand.

But our unwillingness to depart with the pick suggests we know what it’s worth is.

Any connections we have to Kemp now (SOS / Dow / Stocker) won’t go away over the next 12 months. Patience may be the right play.

Not really, he did an ACL, then had back issues on his comeback. But once he was over that he's played pretty much every game it looks like. It's funny, reading more about him he sounded like a Battle clone...

He either comes next year (I'd say this year was our only chance) or he re-signs at a premium putting more of a squeeze on their cap. I still think SOSs end game is TDK free agent and will be on that hill til he signs.

End of the day, not a Saints player so be gone with him. The club clearly had a value on him and unlike us fans, kept a lid on it instead of letting the emotions get in the way.

 

[TheJackal]

We haven’t improved ourselves over the trade and free agency period. If anything we’ve regressed. Yes a good, but aging midfielder comes in, but opportunities for a Battle replacement and possible ruck support went nowhere.

Getting excited now about who pops up as a DFA now is actually pretty depressing.

Sobering, but very valid post. Hopefully RL & Enright can work some magic with our Battle sized hole back there.