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List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown

What Is Your Preferred Combination At Picks 3 & 4?


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Does Gold Coast have enough draft capital to get both zeke newland and Dylan Patterson?

From my calculations they have 3773
15-973
18-836
24-621
28-505
29-479
36-317
52-42

If west coast or Richmond bid they can only match 1
Sure ... but their picks will get lower with every bid matched with more than 1 pick by any team, including themselves ...
 

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Nah he looked great the last month or 2 so who cares, just draft the kid, he's safe as houses

At least tag me RT if you want to have a dig.

It’s not the last month or two (it’s also technically 3 months since it was mid June). He dominated EFNL seniors in the first half of the year, then got called up mid-season to Eastern where he wasn’t just a passenger, he was their best player across all four finals in a premiership side. You don’t get that if you’re rubbish. Across the whole year he’s had maybe one down game. Calling that a “2-month purple patch” is just wrong.

Any recruiter who actually knows what they’re doing understands teenagers don’t all develop at the same rate. Puberty, growth spurts, physical maturity, they all hit at different times. Some kids are fully built at 15 and look like stars early before stalling. Others arrive later, catch up physically, and then surge past them. Tom Swift was the U16 golden boy destined to be no.1 pick and was out of the league in no time.

That’s why you weight the most recent data most heavily. It’s how analytics works in every serious field. Finance uses exponential weighting so the latest results matter more than old ones. Statistics uses Bayesian updating where new evidence shifts the model more than stale priors. Medicine, climate science, economics, all treat the freshest data as the most predictive… because it is.

And the draft media clearly get it, because every major ranking has comfortably pushed Robey into the top bracket off this season’s body of work. The only people still clinging to “2-month purple patch” lines are the ones who don’t understand how to use data.
 
The last of Sullivan Robey's backlog from me, here we again saw the same type of game from Sullivan that he delivered just about every time prior to his move into the midfield through the finals. He again showed his elite and clean hands in marking contests, work rate to present up the ground, and ability to hit the scoreboard with a couple of goals. His kicking was off here, perhaps effected by the strong wind but also a bit erratic with his ball drop.

 
At least tag me RT if you want to have a dig.

It’s not the last month or two (it’s also technically 3 months since it was mid June). He dominated EFNL seniors in the first half of the year, then got called up mid-season to Eastern where he wasn’t just a passenger, he was their best player across all four finals in a premiership side. You don’t get that if you’re rubbish. Across the whole year he’s had maybe one down game. Calling that a “2-month purple patch” is just wrong.

Any recruiter who actually knows what they’re doing understands teenagers don’t all develop at the same rate. Puberty, growth spurts, physical maturity, they all hit at different times. Some kids are fully built at 15 and look like stars early before stalling. Others arrive later, catch up physically, and then surge past them. Tom Swift was the U16 golden boy destined to be no.1 pick and was out of the league in no time.

That’s why you weight the most recent data most heavily. It’s how analytics works in every serious field. Finance uses exponential weighting so the latest results matter more than old ones. Statistics uses Bayesian updating where new evidence shifts the model more than stale priors. Medicine, climate science, economics, all treat the freshest data as the most predictive… because it is.

And the draft media clearly get it, because every major ranking has comfortably pushed Robey into the top bracket off this season’s body of work. The only people still clinging to “2-month purple patch” lines are the ones who don’t understand how to use data.
That maybe true but it's a weak draft. It's possible that most of the top 10 will be average players like in the 2020 draft.
 
It’s not about “lack of data” or “drafting notes”. It’s that he wasn’t even in the elite programs throughout his full junior career. There’s not the body of work there, so the risk is much higher and must factor in to some degree.

For all the concern around being a late bloomer etc. it’s offset (imo) by the fact that he played his best and most influential games during the finals. You want players that stand up in big games and he did that week on week at the back end.

This likewise has to be a factor.


Looking at that, our 38 could come in closer to 30 if the bids go right. Can see almost all of Brisbane and Gold Coasts picks being wiped out by Uwland, Patterson and Annable bids. The possibility that one Essendon and Sydney’s bids are also wiped out with an early bid.

And who knows how Carlton will use its hand to match a bid for Dean and still retain points for Cody Walker next year.
 
I don’t have enough draft knowledge to tell if Uwland and Patterson are better than Duursma and Duff-Tyler. But cal Twomey has them top 4.

Richmond’s two picks are worth 4140. Meaning even if we bid for both they can’t match

If west coast bid they are in more trouble
1. They get a discount.
2. They can trade 15 & 18 for even more points.
3. They can go into deficit for 2026.
4. When they use some picks their later picks come forward and are worth more.

It's the never ending scam lol
 
At least tag me RT if you want to have a dig.

It’s not the last month or two (it’s also technically 3 months since it was mid June). He dominated EFNL seniors in the first half of the year, then got called up mid-season to Eastern where he wasn’t just a passenger, he was their best player across all four finals in a premiership side. You don’t get that if you’re rubbish. Across the whole year he’s had maybe one down game. Calling that a “2-month purple patch” is just wrong.

Any recruiter who actually knows what they’re doing understands teenagers don’t all develop at the same rate. Puberty, growth spurts, physical maturity, they all hit at different times. Some kids are fully built at 15 and look like stars early before stalling. Others arrive later, catch up physically, and then surge past them. Tom Swift was the U16 golden boy destined to be no.1 pick and was out of the league in no time.

That’s why you weight the most recent data most heavily. It’s how analytics works in every serious field. Finance uses exponential weighting so the latest results matter more than old ones. Statistics uses Bayesian updating where new evidence shifts the model more than stale priors. Medicine, climate science, economics, all treat the freshest data as the most predictive… because it is.

And the draft media clearly get it, because every major ranking has comfortably pushed Robey into the top bracket off this season’s body of work. The only people still clinging to “2-month purple patch” lines are the ones who don’t understand how to use data.

Yes yes but also keep in mind he’s definitely roided up bc 17 year olds never improve rapidly and there’s no risk at all in doping his way into an AFL career 🙄
 
At least tag me RT if you want to have a dig.

It’s not the last month or two (it’s also technically 3 months since it was mid June). He dominated EFNL seniors in the first half of the year, then got called up mid-season to Eastern where he wasn’t just a passenger, he was their best player across all four finals in a premiership side. You don’t get that if you’re rubbish. Across the whole year he’s had maybe one down game. Calling that a “2-month purple patch” is just wrong.

Any recruiter who actually knows what they’re doing understands teenagers don’t all develop at the same rate. Puberty, growth spurts, physical maturity, they all hit at different times. Some kids are fully built at 15 and look like stars early before stalling. Others arrive later, catch up physically, and then surge past them. Tom Swift was the U16 golden boy destined to be no.1 pick and was out of the league in no time.

That’s why you weight the most recent data most heavily. It’s how analytics works in every serious field. Finance uses exponential weighting so the latest results matter more than old ones. Statistics uses Bayesian updating where new evidence shifts the model more than stale priors. Medicine, climate science, economics, all treat the freshest data as the most predictive… because it is.

And the draft media clearly get it, because every major ranking has comfortably pushed Robey into the top bracket off this season’s body of work. The only people still clinging to “2-month purple patch” lines are the ones who don’t understand how to use data.
Any recruiter who knows what they are doing will be very seriously questioning why has this kid come from nowhere to become the flavour of the month and it can't just simply be because he had a growth spurt.

There is a reason why they follow these kids from 14-15 years old and not just wait until their draft year to make decisions about them.

Blair and Geischen (Toce) would have had this year's kids ranked for a couple of years keeping tabs on how they're developing how committed they are to their footy and also their lives away from the game, so I doubt that they would be throwing all that research out the window and putting all their faith in a kid who played well for the 2nd half of his draft year after not playing any games in his bottom aged year.

So yeah they may well be impressed with how he has come from the clouds, but I have no doubt that they also have some doubts about just how good the kid can become and whether the 2nd half of the year was just a kid taking everyone by surprise or and indication of what's to come when he does get drafted.

For whatever reason, you disagree with this opinion, even straight out called it wrong and based on previous history from our recruiting team I would suggest that you are the one who is wrong.

Just look at last year. Jagga Smith was the most dominant consistent performing kid in the draft pool yet 2 kids who were impacted by injuries in their draft year were taken ahead of him in Lalor & FOS, but on you logic the current performances should have weighted more heavily than past performances but they clearly didn't. Even when it came to our later picks an injured Hotton was seen as more highly rated than a full fit Murphy Reid, Faull (injury impacted year) was rated higher than the Whitlocks who had strong consistent years.
 

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Any recruiter who knows what they are doing will be very seriously questioning why has this kid come from nowhere to become the flavour of the month and it can't just simply be because he had a growth spurt.

There is a reason why they follow these kids from 14-15 years old and not just wait until their draft year to make decisions about them.

Blair and Geischen (Toce) would have had this year's kids ranked for a couple of years keeping tabs on how they're developing how committed they are to their footy and also their lives away from the game, so I doubt that they would be throwing all that research out the window and putting all their faith in a kid who played well for the 2nd half of his draft year after not playing any games in his bottom aged year.

So yeah they may well be impressed with how he has come from the clouds, but I have no doubt that they also have some doubts about just how good the kid can become and whether the 2nd half of the year was just a kid taking everyone by surprise or and indication of what's to come when he does get drafted.

For whatever reason, you disagree with this opinion, even straight out called it wrong and based on previous history from our recruiting team I would suggest that you are the one who is wrong.

Just look at last year. Jagga Smith was the most dominant consistent performing kid in the draft pool yet 2 kids who were impacted by injuries in their draft year were taken ahead of him in Lalor & FOS, but on you logic the current performances should have weighted more heavily than past performances but they clearly didn't. Even when it came to our later picks an injured Hotton was seen as more highly rated than a full fit Murphy Reid, Faull (injury impacted year) was rated higher than the Whitlocks who had strong consistent years.

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I'm pretty sure we will be splitting a pick and getting a future 1st in return.
Agree - we'll get 7 or 8 from Melbourne plus GC F1 for pick 3 if they can't convince West C to give up pick 2.

Gives us x2 1st rounders this year and x2 next year. Opens up trade options for us next year
 
Sure ... but their picks will get lower with every bid matched with more than 1 pick by any team, including themselves ...
Can't see any bids coming before Uwland and Patterson, all of their current picks will be wiped out. Some of them may come in by 1 spot if they hold 15 & 18 and Uwland is bid on at 2.
 

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Blair and Geischen (Toce) would have had this year's kids ranked for a couple of years keeping tabs on how they're developing how committed they are to their footy and also their lives away from the game, so I doubt that they would be throwing all that research out the window and putting all their faith in a kid who played well for the 2nd half of his draft year after not playing any games in his bottom aged year.
You are assuming that we have had no knowledge of Robey until he blossomed.

I'm sure that the club would have invested the time into keeping tabs on him, as they do on all young talent.
 
Not earth shattering stuff here but Grlj, Robey, X.Taylor and Cumming are who I keep hearing we are showing the most interest in.

I think it is worth noting that after our Bo Allan antics last year I feel we might be playing the same game with at least 1 of these names.

Essendon done a power of work with X.Taylor, so could be them.
 
The last of Sullivan Robey's backlog from me, here we again saw the same type of game from Sullivan that he delivered just about every time prior to his move into the midfield through the finals. He again showed his elite and clean hands in marking contests, work rate to present up the ground, and ability to hit the scoreboard with a couple of goals. His kicking was off here, perhaps effected by the strong wind but also a bit erratic with his ball drop.


A clean skin, not a bit of dirt on him...
 

Louis Kellaway
State: South Australia
State League Club: Sturt
Community Club: Glenunga
Date of Birth: 16/03/2007
Height: 183 cm

A medium midfielder, Kellaway is lightly built but possesses exceptionally clean hands and the ability to find his way out of traffic around the contest. A creative player, he makes great decisions with the ball to set up his team through the midfield. All these traits were on full display as part of South Australia’s midfield rotations in the National Championships, where he was a strong and consistent performer averaging 19.3 disposals at 80 percent efficiency. Was at his best in a trademark performance against Victoria Country at Marvel Stadium to help set up the victory that wrapped up the title. He is the son of former 180-game Richmond star Duncan Kellaway, making him eligible to join the Tigers under father-son rules this year.

Sam Grlj
State: Victoria Metro
State League Club: Oakleigh Chargers
Community Club: Canterbury
Date of Birth: 26/07/2007
Height: 182cm

A medium defender or midfielder, Grlj possesses dazzling speed and a neat step through traffic, which allow him to break the lines and set up the play. A model of consistency with the Oakleigh Chargers in the Coates Talent League, he averaged 20.3 disposals at 72% efficiency, five tackles and 3.9 clearances playing predominantly in the midfield. Held a leadership role with Victoria Metro, with his acceleration again a feature during the National Championships, where he averaged 17 disposals across the four matches. Grlj grasped the opportunity to play two VFL games for Richmond late in the year, including having 18 disposals on debut against the Gold Coast Suns. His strong form at all levels contributed to him earning Coates Talent League Team of the Year honours. Was most impressive at the national Draft Combine, where he showcased his speed and endurance with a time of 2.93 seconds for the 20m sprint and finished second overall for the 2km time trial with an elite 5:59.

Sullivan Robey
State: Victoria Metro
State League Club: Eastern Ranges
Community Club: Rowville
Date of Birth: 04/10/2007
Height: 192cm

A tall midfielder/forward, Robey has emerged in the back half of the year with some outstanding performances for the Eastern Ranges in the Coates Talent League. After only making his club debuting in Round 12, he has become a potential Draft bolter in nine matches, averaging 19.7 disposals and kicking 18 goals. Among his outstanding performances was a 40-disposal and three-goal haul against the Western Jets in Wildcard Round, along with kicking four goals in the Ranges’ Grand Final victory over the Sandringham Dragons. A powerful player with one-touch hands, as well as being a beautiful set shot for goal, Robey has been a late physical developer, growing six centimeters after being overlooked by the Dandenong Stingrays in his 16th year. Was one of a handful of players to earn a late invite to the national Draft Combine, with AFL clubs eager to find out more about the potential hidden gem.

Dyson Sharp
State: South Australia
State League Club: Central District
Community Club: Barossa District
Date of Birth: 23/05/2007
Height: 188cm

A strong-bodied midfielder, Sharp knows how to dominate clearances, using his strength, power and footy nous to win contests. A competitive beast, he was the star player of the National Championships, averaging 27 disposals at 76.6 percent efficiency, along with 11 contested possessions, five tackles and six clearances to lead South Australia to the title. Won his team’s MVP, as well as the Larke Medal for the best and fairest player overall at the Championships. Already a dual All Australian at under 16s level, he was named captain of the under 18s All Australian Team to complete a remarkable underage career, having represented his state with great distinction. Did not test at the Draft Combine due to illness. Another graduate of the Marsh AFL National Academy.

Harry Scott
State: Victoria Country
State League Club: Richmond VFL
Community Club: Old Scotch/Leongatha
Date of Birth: 24/01/2005
Height: 188cm

Quick midfielder who is extremely athletic, Scott is a late developer who has transitioned from a wingman to an inside midfielder across two years in Ricmond’s VFL program. Had a breakout campaign this season, playing 19 matches and averaging 21.1 disposals at 71 percent efficiency to be one of the Tigers’ most consistent and productive players. A neat user of the footy, he is the son of former Richmond player Allister Scott who played 19 games for the Tigers in the early 90s. His agility stood out at the Draft Combine, completing the course in 8.07 seconds to be ranked second overall at the State event held in Melbourne.
 
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