F1 2025 Brazilian Grand Prix - Race Weekend Thread

[happy_eagle]

I'm not on the FIA.

Also sounds like something the FIA would say.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

The kids today won't appreciate Schumacher winning 3 world championships in inferior cars (And getting within a race win of another 2 against Newey's rockets)

Then when Ferrari definitely had the best car (2001-04) it was barely a contest to the point that the FIA had to change the rules to stop them

And they shouldn't either. You've overstated Schumacher's rep. Nothing personal, but I'm going to have to address this, but I'll do it in other posts without quoting you.

 

[jb04]

I’m unhappy with another British WDC, but I’m confident this isn’t Oscars one chance at a title.

I've spent all year thinking this is the one shot before McLaren get usurped by someone else in 2026, but thinking there may well be another chance is a better mindset.

If Merc are looming as large as they seem to be, we need to grease up for more British WDCs in the future with Georgie boy.

 

[Matele]

I've spent all year thinking this is the one shot before McLaren get usurped by someone else in 2026, but thinking there may well be another chance is a better mindset.

If Merc are looming as large as they seem to be, we need to grease up for more British WDCs in the future with Georgie boy.

I mean I also don’t see Oscar seeing out his McLaren contract tbf.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Then when Ferrari definitely had the best car (2001-04) it was barely a contest to the point that the FIA had to change the rules to stop them[quote/]
See, kids, this is correct. The sporting regs were changed in 2003, but it was superficial and only dented Schumacher/Ferrari's stats that year. More substantial changes were made in 2005 to nullify the advantage they had with Bridgestone favouring them, and Alonso/Renault won the championship. Ok.

But what is overlooked in a Sky/British bias way, was that Schumacher benefited the other way early in career!

1992/93, Williams created possibly the best ever racing car. Because of that and the popularity of Indycar racing, Mosley/FIA then **** about with the rules. For 94, everything that made the Williams the extraordinary car that it was was banned. So they come back to the pack, but it's spoken like the post-93 Williams were the same as the 92/93 car, and they weren't. It'll be like taking the 4-6 best players from a GF winning team, and thinking it's the same as the GF winning team. The changes from 93 to 94 was just as severe as 2013 to 14 changes.

Then 1995 rolls around, and there's still this notion that the Benetton was the inferior car to Williams. Where? In 94, the Williams had more power with the Renault compared to the Ford in the Benetton. But 95, both cars had the Renault (and the same Goodyear tyres), so what advantage did Williams have? Adrian Newey designed the car, so it must be better...Pfft!

Newey is the only name people know. It's not like there aren't other guys who don't know anything about aero. Rory Byrne, the guy who designed the "definitely had the best car" juice t referred to, also created the Benetton's Schumacher won championships in. But it's not jsut Rory Byrne, Benetton had WIllem Toet, whi was up there with aero, and Frnak Dernie, who was the leading aero guy in the 80s.

That Benetton generation was a great car that was overshadowed by what Williams had achieved. It wasn't inferior in aero, it was in its fifth year of development. It wasn't the first car to have a raised nose cone, but it took that idea to another level. Williams had their first raised nose cone car in 95.

There's more come, the kids need to see the wider picture.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Part 2.

You know that past gun meme everyone refers to to take the piss out of Ferrari? That's nothing compared to how shit Williams were in the 90s. Before refuelling, they were always the slowest of the top teams. When refuelling was introduced, they never had any creativity, which allowed an otherwise unremarkable engineer, Ross Brawn, to play to a strength he suddenly had. Benetton won a bunch of races just on pit strategy.

Typical 95 race. Damon Hill would be leading, the first pitstops would occur, and he's 3secs behind Schumacher. Because Hill is not respected, it's just bluffed off.

Speaking of Hill, the notion that Schumacher drove inferior cars is really a swipe at him. But you know what, Schumacher almost always drove a better car than Mika Hakkinen. When they started, Hakkinen was rated slightly better. In 7 of the 8 seasons, both did the full season, Schumacher had the better car (Which includes 2000 when juice t didn't). The one year Hakkinen definitely had the better car, he won the championship.

Schumacher "wins" the championship in94 in an "inferior car", but it wasn't really . Not only Williams were brought back ot the pack, but Mclaren as well, who then compounded it by replacing the Ford engine, like Benetto had, with the inferior Peugeot.

Forward Press refer to Hamilton's career benefiting from reliability. Schumacher went 5-6 years without a mechanical problem.

Hamilton/Schuacher, same crap, different generation. Kids these day missed nothing with Schuey.

 

[Gasometer]

I mean I also don’t see Oscar seeing out his McLaren contract tbf.

This

 

[dazbroncos]

So Lando got lucky.

It’s not unlucky to stick a slick tyre on a wet kerb and not get away with it.

It’s unlucky to take the same curb Lando did and hit the wall while he didn’t..

 

[Gasometer]

It’s unlucky to take the same curb Lando did and hit the wall while he didn’t..

Was there two other cars behind Oscar that came undone on that same corner?

 

[Barrybran]

Was there two other cars behind Oscar that came undone on that same corner?

Hulkenberg took the same line as Lando and Oscar. Colapinto was already on his way to binning it before he got to that corner.

 

[Matele]

Hulkenberg took the same line as Lando and Oscar. Colapinto was already on his way to binning it before he got to that corner.

Colapinto is on his way to binning it before the first practice session of every weekend TBF.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Colapinto is on his way to binning it before the first practice session of every weekend TBF.

Colapinto every week

 

[Gasometer]

Colapinto every week

Ha!!!

North fans knows this guy very well; played in Defence and moved to Essendon

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Strong stuff from Sainz in support of Piastri re penalty (from News.com)

Williams driver Carlo Sainz has now spoken up in support of Piastri.

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“I think we need urgently a catch-up and try and solve it because for me the fact that Oscar got a penalty there in Brazil is unacceptable, honestly, for the category that we are in and being the pinnacle of motorsport,” Sainz told a news conference ahead of this weekend’s Las Vegas Grand Prix.

“I’m not going to explain why, I think you all guys saw what happened. I think everyone that has seen racing knows that that is not Oscar’s fault at all.

“Everyone else who has really raced a race car knows he could have done nothing to avoid an accident there.”