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List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71

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With the Draft upon us and so much talk throughout the year(s) about how poor the Swans have drafted etc. I wanted to look back and see how good and/poor the record actually was/is.

So I am going to give 8 selections after the Swans' selection to make another pick for the last 10 years. Let's see how we stack up.

I'm not counting Academy picks from other teams around ours as they would obviously have taken them within that range. Also F/S. And for some of our Academy there might be a better option, but considering we matched it doesn't give us a selection in the 8 picks following typically.

2015
#3 Callum Mills (Correct Pick)
#51 Tyrone Leonardis (Sam Collins #55) - Silvagni doesn't count)
#56 Jordan Dawson (Correct Pick)

2016
#11 Ollie Florent (Jarrod Berry #17)
#21 Will Hayward (Shai Bolton #29)
#45 Jack Malbaum (#53 Jack Graham)
#48 Darcy Cameron (Correct Pick)

2017
#14 Matthew Ling (#15 Zac Bailey)
#33 Tom McCartin (Correct Pick)
#53 Ryley Stoddart (#57 Gryan Miers)

2018
#10 Nick Blakey (Correct Pick)
#25 James Rowbottom (Correct Pick)
#44 Justin McInerney (Correct Pick)
#51 Zac Foot (#57 Lachlan Schultz)

2019
#5 Dylan Stephens (#8 Caleb Serong)
#26 Will Gould (#32 Trent Rivers)
#36 Elijah Taylor (#41 Francis Evans)
#39 Chad Warner (Correct Pick)

2020
#4 Logan McDonald (Correct Pick)
#5 Braeden Campbell (Correct Pick)
#32 Errol Gulden (Correct Pick)

2021
#18 Angus Sheldrick (#26 Connor MacDonald)
#34 Matthew Roberts (Correct Pick)
#40 Corey Warner (Correct Pick)
#58 Lachlan Rankin (Correct Pick* He's off the list, others behind him as list clogging)

2022
#20 Jacob Konstanty (#21 Darcy Jones)
#27 Cooper Vickery (#30 Lachlan Cowan)
#40 Caleb Mitchell (#48 Joe Richards)

2023
#16 Will Green (None that stand out over a project)
#24 Caiden Cleary (#31 Logan Morris)
#53 Patrick Snell (#54 Archie Roberts)

2024
Too early to do this one. Probably too early for 2023 too. But personally I'm really happy with Dattoli, never liked the Bowman pick over Whitlock. The Bice pick is a winner for mine and Riak is a great punt as the upside is huge and his athleticism is exactly what the Swans lack.

I think the Swans have actually smashed it out of the park in the draft. Mainly because they've drafted extremely well late, but the blundered picks are going to come with every team, much more often than we think and the ones the Swans have made, versus the outstanding ones is by far on the positive side. I challenge anyone to pick any other team in the competition and do the same for the last 10 years and see if they stack up as good as the Swans. IMO Sydney might just be in the top 4-5 teams in the competition draft record wise.

What do you think?
 
SwansLifer said:
With the Draft upon us and so much talk throughout the year(s) about how poor the Swans have drafted etc. I wanted to look back and see how good and/poor the record actually was/is.

So I am going to give 8 selections after the Swans' selection to make another pick for the last 10 years. Let's see how we stack up.

I'm not counting Academy picks from other teams around ours as they would obviously have taken them within that range. Also F/S. And for some of our Academy there might be a better option, but considering we matched it doesn't give us a selection in the 8 picks following typically.

2015
#3 Callum Mills (Correct Pick)
#51 Tyrone Leonardis (Sam Collins #55) - Silvagni doesn't count)
#56 Jordan Dawson (Correct Pick)

2016
#11 Ollie Florent (Jarrod Berry #17)
#21 Will Hayward (Shai Bolton #29)
#45 Jack Malbaum (#53 Jack Graham)
#48 Darcy Cameron (Correct Pick)

2017
#14 Matthew Ling (#15 Zac Bailey)
#33 Tom McCartin (Correct Pick)
#53 Ryley Stoddart (#57 Gryan Miers)

2018
#10 Nick Blakey (Correct Pick)
#25 James Rowbottom (Correct Pick)
#44 Justin McInerney (Correct Pick)
#51 Zac Foot (#57 Lachlan Schultz)

2019
#5 Dylan Stephens (#8 Caleb Serong)
#26 Will Gould (#32 Trent Rivers)
#36 Elijah Taylor (#41 Francis Evans)
#39 Chad Warner (Correct Pick)

2020
#4 Logan McDonald (Correct Pick)
#5 Braeden Campbell (Correct Pick)
#32 Errol Gulden (Correct Pick)

2021
#18 Angus Sheldrick (#26 Connor MacDonald)
#34 Matthew Roberts (Correct Pick)
#40 Corey Warner (Correct Pick)
#58 Lachlan Rankin (Correct Pick* He's off the list, others behind him as list clogging)

2022
#20 Jacob Konstanty (#21 Darcy Jones)
#27 Cooper Vickery (#30 Lachlan Cowan)
#40 Caleb Mitchell (#48 Joe Richards)

2023
#16 Will Green (None that stand out over a project)
#24 Caiden Cleary (#31 Logan Morris)
#53 Patrick Snell (#54 Archie Roberts)

2024
Too early to do this one. Probably too early for 2023 too. But personally I'm really happy with Dattoli, never liked the Bowman pick over Whitlock. The Bice pick is a winner for mine and Riak is a great punt as the upside is huge and his athleticism is exactly what the Swans lack.

I think the Swans have actually smashed it out of the park in the draft. Mainly because they've drafted extremely well late, but the blundered picks are going to come with every team, much more often than we think and the ones the Swans have made, versus the outstanding ones is by far on the positive side. I challenge anyone to pick any other team in the competition and do the same for the last 10 years and see if they stack up as good as the Swans. IMO Sydney might just be in the top 4-5 teams in the competition draft record wise.

What do you think?
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I have only ever had one genuine issue with our drafting and that's taking skinny over solid when all else was equal. Judging what will happen in the next three years when they're 18 is horribly difficult.
 
Hazardinho said:
Sorry to intrude Swans fans but I’ve really liked what I’ve seen from Harry Kyle, and I was wondering how serious you guys are about taking him. Like if we bid on him with a top 10 pick, would you guys still be matching ? He gives me Callaghan vibes, looks a great prospect and good luck with the upcoming draft.
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We would match regardless. It would make it tricky with the likely third bid though
 

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I want to cheer us up a bit about Max King who has fallen out of the conversation and been sliding down draft boards lately. Check out this goal from the Swans Academy game against the Giants in the 'summer series':

 
Hazardinho said:
Sorry to intrude Swans fans but I’ve really liked what I’ve seen from Harry Kyle, and I was wondering how serious you guys are about taking him. Like if we bid on him with a top 10 pick, would you guys still be matching ? He gives me Callaghan vibes, looks a great prospect and good luck with the upcoming draft.
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If you guys are willing to pay a top 10 price for him then I've got some shares in an AI tech startup that I want to sell you.
 
Callipygian said:
I want to cheer us up a bit about Max King who has fallen out of the conversation and been sliding down draft boards lately. Check out this goal from the Swans Academy game against the Giants in the 'summer series':

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What I don’t get - and yes, I’m draft illiterate, is this -

Max King is an established AFL player - what’s he doing in a draft?

What did I miss?
 
Kiama Chris said:
I have only ever had one genuine issue with our drafting and that's taking skinny over solid when all else was equal. Judging what will happen in the next three years when they're 18 is horribly difficult.
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Im by no means an expert, but I like to think that Horse - Cox, and Beatson - Keane are.
A reason that I can think of as to why we drafted these 'skinny', quick with endurance kids like JMac, Stoddart, Blakey, Ling, Stephens, Corey Warner, Bice, Hall-Kahan, Magor, Rankin, Rowles etc etc etc,, is because the game is becoming faster and maybe the Swans recognised this earlier than most teams

I guess we could've drafted big bodied slow players and been competing with carlton for 9th
 
KTT said:
Im by no means an expert, but I like to think that Horse - Cox, and Beatson - Keane are.
A reason that I can think of as to why we drafted these 'skinny', quick with endurance kids like JMac, Stoddart, Blakey, Ling, Stephens, Corey Warner, Bice, Hall-Kahan, Magor, Rankin, Rowles etc etc etc,, is because the game is becoming faster and maybe the Swans recognised this earlier than most teams

I guess we could've drafted big bodied slow players and been competing with carlton for 9th
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I suspect that you have their motivation right but sadly a lot of them didn't make it. Not always because of their build but sometimes. A well balanced team will have a mix of body types but the highest possible skill level. I think this was the other thing they were looking for.
Think about the successful teams (in GFs) over the last ten years and they have largely had strong and mature bodies. Not so much slow.
 
KTT said:
Im by no means an expert, but I like to think that Horse - Cox, and Beatson - Keane are.
A reason that I can think of as to why we drafted these 'skinny', quick with endurance kids like JMac, Stoddart, Blakey, Ling, Stephens, Corey Warner, Bice, Hall-Kahan, Magor, Rankin, Rowles etc etc etc,, is because the game is becoming faster and maybe the Swans recognised this earlier than most teams

I guess we could've drafted big bodied slow players and been competing with carlton for 9th
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I think ONE big midfielder is pretty much mandated in the current game….but they have to be mobile.

Bont,, Dangerwank, Petracca,, (Kennedy), Dawson are all game winners on and off the ball - not forward like Warner & Heeney.

Pendles,Cripps,Oliver not so much, they rely on contested possession and the quick handball.

It’s not impossible without - but tackling strength and positioning are a huge factor in winning clearances.

Grundy makes us look better than we are in the middle - atm.

Just my opinion. 🤷🏻
 

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I just think you secure Kyle because that's what our academy is all about. Him bolting will be great for his confidence as he gets ready for the big league. Should be with us.

Everyone's looking for the next Finn O'Callaghan and we have first option for the bloke's athletic doppleganger

Keep it simple and match the bid
 
Dan87 said:
I just think you secure Kyle because that's what our academy is all about. Him bolting will be great for his confidence as he gets ready for the big league. Should be with us.

Everyone's looking for the next Finn O'Callaghan and we have first option for the bloke's athletic doppleganger

Keep it simple and match the bid
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In a sense we're a little unlucky to have 5 good but not great academy prospects in a single season. We naturally feel the obligation to take them (I'm still puzzled we didn't take Cochran) to validate the Academy as a pathway but I suspect it's easier when we have one or two high level talents. Then we can look to fill gaps.
I really want us to take a KPF as a later pick or rookie (eg Hetherton) to build our future stocks but sacrificing an Academy kid to do so is a bummer.
 
Kiama Chris said:
In a sense we're a little unlucky to have 5 good but not great academy prospects in a single season. We naturally feel the obligation to take them (I'm still puzzled we didn't take Cochran) to validate the Academy as a pathway but I suspect it's easier when we have one or two high level talents. Then we can look to fill gaps.
I really want us to take a KPF as a later pick or rookie (eg Hetherton) to build our future stocks but sacrificing an Academy kid to do so is a bummer.
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Tairon Ah-Mu looks like a fun pick
 
Tomorrow said:
If any academy kid gets a call up in the top 10 I'd say the Swans let them go and come knocking 20 months later...if they prove themselves::)
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Don’t agree. If Kyle gets bid at 10, he won’t but if he does you do it. King is not going to the second round. Even if we have no points left we will just cop a small deficit in 2026 in a draft that’s ultra strong. Two bids at 16 and 26 ish we are fine
 
Kiama Chris said:
In a sense we're a little unlucky to have 5 good but not great academy prospects in a single season. We naturally feel the obligation to take them (I'm still puzzled we didn't take Cochran) to validate the Academy as a pathway but I suspect it's easier when we have one or two high level talents. Then we can look to fill gaps.
I really want us to take a KPF as a later pick or rookie (eg Hetherton) to build our future stocks but sacrificing an Academy kid to do so is a bummer.
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Andrews was a bigger need type that Cochran. Not a surprise we let him slip
 

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LukeParkerno1 said:
Don’t agree. If Kyle gets bid at 10, he won’t but if he does you do it. King is not going to the second round. Even if we have no points left we will just cop a small deficit in 2026 in a draft that’s ultra strong. Two bids at 16 and 26 ish we are fine
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The hype around Kyle is ridiculous. It's only in the last couple of weeks that he has been talked about in the top 20. ESPN rate him at 45 in there power rankings, in doing so they note that he is not capable of getting generating his own ball at this stage and is basically a low possession receiver.
 
Neverwas said:
The hype around Kyle is ridiculous. It's only in the last couple of weeks that he has been talked about in the top 20. ESPN rate him at 45 in there power rankings, in doing so they note that he is not capable of getting generating his own ball at this stage and is basically a low possession receiver.
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Welp guess Darcy Wilmot is shit

Guess Miles Bergman is shit

Keidean Coleman must be shocking

List could go on and on but think I proved a point. Measuring someone based off possessions is so unbelievably bad of a measurement it is beyond laughable

Connor Rozee averaged 0.8 more disposals, 0.5 less marks, 2.5 more tackles, 0.2 more goals per game than Kyle in his national champs year

Zak Butters put up similar numbers to Rozee as well...

13d, 2m, 2t, 0.3g
 
Neverwas said:
The hype around Kyle is ridiculous. It's only in the last couple of weeks that he has been talked about in the top 20. ESPN rate him at 45 in there power rankings, in doing so they note that he is not capable of getting generating his own ball at this stage and is basically a low possession receiver.
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One word mate, and it’s a huge one with drafting and that’s “ceiling”. Kyle has the highest ceiling out of the 3 in likelihood some may say King but whatever in my book it is Kyle. I agree with you right now he’d be maybe a top 25-30 selection on production but recruiters are paid the big bucks to see into the future. Plenty of “low possession” draftees turn out to be high possession AFL players, some don’t like Campbell so that’s the risk.

Basically out of the 3

Carmichael- highest floor, lowest ceiling
Kyle- highest ceiling, lowest floor

King is rated where he should be 2nd rounder
 
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