Analysis 2025 Draft watch

[Aphrodite]

 

[Michael Jezz]

How did we not get a key position player?

Probably because the one's we rated were not there at our pick or we thought Taylor Byrne was better than the remainder

 

[Aphrodite]

Probably because the one's we rated were not there at our pick or we thought Taylor Byrne was better than the remainder

Talor

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Probably because the one's we rated were not there at our pick or we thought Taylor Byrne was better than the remainder

Correct me if I'm wrong... But I believe they were talking about Dean, no?

 

[Big Delut]

Correct me if I'm wrong... But I believe they were talking about Dean, no?

100%. He said "love to get talented key position players" as a response to matching the Dean bid.

 

[El Topo]

Probably because the one's we rated were not there at our pick or we thought Taylor Byrne was better than the remainder

Seems like we got the only one that any team really rated

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I think

a) if you know we will match then you don't want to send the message to the kid you do pick up that they aren't the first choice

b) if us matching doesn't improve your position then "tactical bidding" isn't as valuable

c) Clubs may be concerned that "malicious" bidding might result in some retaliation down the line, so if a club has already "paid the price" (ie traded out of the first round) you don't need to push them any harder.

In summary

They knew we were matching Ison past pick 15, so they weren't getting the player, there wasn't a compelling reason to get rid of our picks and they didn't want to unnecessarily create animosity.

Also a bunch of teams probably didn't rate him that high, or had other list priorities.

Flip side, it allowed a few clubs to trade up for players which were still on the board they rated, allowing us to bank future picks…
Good trading between clubs both ways, maintaining future relationships…

 

[GoBlues!]

I think

a) if you know we will match then you don't want to send the message to the kid you do pick up that they aren't the first choice

b) if us matching doesn't improve your position then "tactical bidding" isn't as valuable

c) Clubs may be concerned that "malicious" bidding might result in some retaliation down the line, so if a club has already "paid the price" (ie traded out of the first round) you don't need to push them any harder.

Agree B&S.
Point (a) Sending a message to the kid you eventually pickup is probably more relevant to first round picks. I think players selected in the 2nd or 3rd round after a failed bid probably couldn’t give a stuff - they’d be ecstatic and grateful to just get on a list at that stage of the draft.

Point (b) is spot on. Logically, if us matching doesn't improve the other club’s position then the idea of "tactical bidding" isn't as valuable or relevant.

 

[GoBlues!]

Our recruiter said Carlton would love a Key position player...We did not get one...so minus the profanity I am not sure Carlton drafted exactly who it wanted

What would you call Harry Dean Jezz, a HBF?

Position: Tall defender
Height: 194cm
DOB: 13 November 2007

 

[Jimmae]

Do we think clubs maybe 'took it easy on us' re Ison after we got semi-rolled on Dean?

Frustrating that they didn't do both more fairly, but frustrating that we took it easy on ourselves in the early second round.

For how crappy this years draft apparently was, it is such a Carlton supporter thing to then crap on drafting the best defender in the draft and a huge positional need.

Four positions on an AFL field (forward, midfield/wing, ruck, backline) and we drafted the best junior player in one of those positions. I am not seeing the issue with our draft.

Best defender in the draft was Taylor.

Roles are a whole other thing.

Probably because the one's we rated were not there at our pick or we thought Taylor Byrne was better than the remainder

Seems like we got the only one that any team really rated

Seemingly on the net, but they would have been a variety of character, perhaps medical/psychological and athletic consistency concerns.

What staggered me is how clubs didn't rate Greeves enough as a tall mid at the next level, but didn't evaluate him as a key forward.

Big mistake IMO.

 

[GoBlues!]

What staggered me is how clubs didn't rate Greeves enough as a tall mid at the next level, but didn't evaluate him as a key forward.

Big mistake IMO.

Could be a greevous mistake Jim…

Seriously baffling how he had to wait to get rookie listed by the Hawks.

 

[Jimmae]

Could be a greevous mistake Jim…

Seriously baffling how he had to wait to get rookie listed by the Hawks.

Think he pulled a few ill-advised moves, unless his goal was to go to the Hawks.

 

[Michael Jezz]

What would you call Harry Dean Jezz, a HBF?

Position: Tall defender
Height: 194cm
DOB: 13 November 2007

Watch the video and absorb the statement by our recruiter regarding his want of a key position player

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Best defender in the draft was Taylor.

Roles are a whole other thing.

Disagree with this, Taylor has high upside due to his athleticism but Dean consistently had greater impact on games across the season, especially at the champs.

He's also an absolute campaigner on and off field which could work in his favour or to his/clubs detriment.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Think he pulled a few ill-advised moves, unless his goal was to go to the Hawks.

I just think he's not all that good. I know he had his fans (including Twomey) but clearly all 18 clubs felt he had some holes in his game.

I also think clubs are very careful about recruiting the big bodied midfielder roles these days. A guy like Greeves who isn't all that quick falls down the pecking order despite good U18 form.

Even Smiley dominated U18 but struggled year 1.

But Greeves is on an AFL list now so he has the same chance as anyone else to prove all 18 clubs wrong.

 

[Jimmae]

Disagree with this, Taylor has high upside due to his athleticism but Dean consistently had greater impact on games across the season, especially at the champs.

He's also an absolute campaigner on and off field which could work in his favour or to his/clubs detriment.

It's not on the back of athleticism, because both he and Dean have that in spades. He can play almost as tall as Dean, and has far more skill with the football.

Neither were worth a top 5 selection.

 

[GoBlues!]

It's not on the back of athleticism, because both he and Dean have that in spades. He can play almost as tall as Dean, and has far more skill with the football.

Neither were worth a top 5 selection.

True, which makes you wonder why WCE bid on Dean so early at #3.

Was there some tactical advantage I missed, after we had traded back from 9 and 11, I didn’t think there was any real advantage to WCE?

 

[RPCB]

True, which makes you wonder why WCE bid on Dean so early at #3.

Was there some tactical advantage I missed, after we had traded back from 9 and 11, I didn’t think there was any real advantage to WCE?

They will probably bid on Cody with Pick 1 lol.

 

[JJBagger]

I just think he's not all that good. I know he had his fans (including Twomey) but clearly all 18 clubs felt he had some holes in his game.

I also think clubs are very careful about recruiting the big bodied midfielder roles these days. A guy like Greeves who isn't all that quick falls down the pecking order despite good U18 form.

Even Smiley dominated U18 but struggled year 1.

But Greeves is on an AFL list now so he has the same chance as anyone else to prove all 18 clubs wrong.

Smilie struggled due to injury - not because he’s a big bodied mid

 

[David Sylvian]

True, which makes you wonder why WCE bid on Dean so early at #3.

Was there some tactical advantage I missed, after we had traded back from 9 and 11, I didn’t think there was any real advantage to WCE?

WCE were just swinging it around hoping everyone would think it was bigger than it really was.
Predictable “tactic” which we had adequately prepared for. No advantage to it at all. Frankly reeks of sour grapes.
Obtained both targets, a “bonus” player and srengthened our hand for next years draft.
Boring, but effective.

 

[9874123]

True, which makes you wonder why WCE bid on Dean so early at #3.

Was there some tactical advantage I missed, after we had traded back from 9 and 11, I didn’t think there was any real advantage to WCE?

Given that WCE traded up in an attempt to point-squeeze the Suns later in the draft because they were keen on one of their other academy players, the tactical advantage would have come from a double bid on Uwland and Patterson. Genuine incompetence from them.

 

[GoBlues!]

WCE were just swinging it around hoping everyone would think it was bigger than it really was.
Predictable “tactic” which we had adequately prepared for. No advantage to it at all. Frankly reeks of sour grapes.
Obtained both targets, a “bonus” player and srengthened our hand for next years draft.
Boring, but effective.

Probably right DS.

WCE also showed how clever they are when they traded draft picks with the Hawks and moved up one spot.

They gave the Hawks a F2 in process, what a brilliant masterstroke that was - f#cken amateurs.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It's not on the back of athleticism, because both he and Dean have that in spades. He can play almost as tall as Dean, and has far more skill with the football.

Neither were worth a top 5 selection.

True, which makes you wonder why WCE bid on Dean so early at #3.

Was there some tactical advantage I missed, after we had traded back from 9 and 11, I didn’t think there was any real advantage to WCE?

Not this again...

 

[tragic]

Probably right DS.

WCE also showed how clever they are when they traded draft picks with the Hawks and moved up one spot.

They gave the Hawks a F2 in process, what a brilliant masterstroke that was - f#cken amateurs.

I believe they overpaid but they were trying to get addinsal but were also happy with Lindsay that the bulldogs would have drafted

 

[Jimmae]

Not this again...

Ah yes, the free market is fair, got it

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Ah yes, the free market is fair, got it

I think this goes back to a simple case of underrating Dean.

Brisbane had him at 1/2 equal with Uwland according to their list boss, Sydney had him at 6 on their board, WCE said they had him at 3...

It's not hard to deduce from that that he was rated as a top 5 prospect by many teams this year, including Carlton - Hence why we matched a bid at Pick 3.