Analysis 2025 Draft watch

[Aphrodite]

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

The original post you are responding to is a made up hypothetical that would never happen

Le Archie said:
I’ve heard we are putting pressure on with a Dean bid to trade 6 plus seconds for 9 and 11,

Okay gotcha, cheers

 

[Flaggers22]

Are we not the least bit concerned in giving up a top 10 pick for a key defender that is only 193cm tall?

I'm not concerned. In fact, I think he complements our list build perfectly. Neither Weitering or O'Farrell are suited to playing on the smaller and more agile key forwards, they're more suited to take on the monsters like Darcy, Larkey, the Kings and so on. Dean is athletic enough to mark a Curnow/Cameron/Jamarra type. I'd liken Dean to Steven May (who is only 190cm) minus the agro, he's incredibly quick and powerful, he reads the ball well and he's a left footer to boot. I'd give up pick 9 for him in a heartbeat and call it a bargain, but I hope he'll slide as most Father/Sons tend to do.

 

[Uncle Fester]

been mucking around with draft projections.... there is no way dean isnt bid on pre pick 9 - which is pick 12 on the night - and i cant see anyone with the collateral to trade up with 2025 picks - it would seem the only hope is to trade 9 and or 11 to someone who is prepared to give us something decent this year and next..... adelaide, the dogs, north... essendon have us over a barrel...... there is zero reason for them not to bid Dean at pick 8, he will be the best option on the table at that moment - this is deeply messy

 

[ctwenty1]

been mucking around with draft projections.... there is no way dean isnt bid on pre pick 9 - which is pick 12 on the night - and i cant see anyone with the collateral to trade up with 2025 picks - it would seem the only hope is to trade 9 and or 11 to someone who is prepared to give us something decent this year and next..... adelaide, the dogs, north... essendon have us over a barrel...... there is zero reason for them not to bid Dean at pick 8, he will be the best option on the table at that moment - this is deeply messy

Lets wait and see when the phantom drafts start coming out

Yes Dean may be bid on, surpised if its as early as with Essendon

 

[Le Archie]

Le Archie said:
I’ve heard we are putting pressure on with a Dean bid to trade 6 plus seconds for 9 and 11,

Okay gotcha, cheers

this is the hypothetical that will never happen? oki dokie

 

[SurreyBlue]

I’ve heard we are putting pressure on with a Dean bid to trade 6 plus seconds for 9 and 11. Probably a win win for both clubs but you’d think would happen live on the night so as to protect you from a Richmond bid before just in case.

If that is in fact true - Payback is a b1tch. I would sit on that and let you bid. I have no issue with 11 moving back a few spots.

 

[Uncle Fester]

Lets wait and see when the phantom drafts start coming out

Yes Dean may be bid on, surpised if its as early as with Essendon

ive looked all of the "rankings" and they seem to provide a degree of consensus and are variations on this:

1	duursma	WEST COAST
2	duff-tytler	WEST COAST
3	zeke	GOLD COAST
4	robey	RICHMOND
5	anabble	BRISBANE
6	patterson	GOLD COAST
7	taylor	RICHMOND

with essendon holding 8 and 9 and melbourne holding 10 and 11

 

[Stamos]

If that is in fact true - Payback is a b1tch. I would sit on that and let you bid. I have no issue with 11 moving back a few spots.

The proposed deal would actually help us, it would be a win-win.

 

[Bjchan13]

this is the hypothetical that will never happen? oki dokie

You believe you've heard a whisper that Rosa is pressuring Carlton into a deal that actually helps Carlton but makes our draft hand worse off?

 

[Le Archie]

You believe you've heard a whisper that Rosa is pressuring Carlton into a deal that actually helps Carlton but makes our draft hand worse off?

How does splitting 6 into 9 and 11 make our hand worse in an even pool? It’s not I believe I’ve heard, I’ve heard it. You can believe it or not.

It helps both parties

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

Are we not the least bit concerned in giving up a top 10 pick for a key defender that is only 193cm tall?

Did you see his father play? He was only 188cm and Harry is still growing. I’m not concerned at all.

 

[Uncle Fester]

Did you see his father play? I’m not concerned at all.

thats the joyous bit - one of my favourite carlton players ever - if we get even something approaching his dad..... and the portents are strong, the next generation wont know what hit them.. was talking to my kids about Deano.... best i could come up with was Tom Stewart with more flair and violence

 

[Bjchan13]

How does splitting 6 into 9 and 11 make our hand worse in an even pool? It’s not I believe I’ve heard, I’ve heard it. You can believe it or not.

It helps both parties

6 straight up for 9&11 probably improves our hand. Giving away 21 and 27 and pressuring Carlton into doing it with a bid on Dean is the bit that I'm calling bullshit

 

[Uncle Fester]

6 straight up for 9&11 probably improves our hand. Giving away 21 and 27 and pressuring Carlton into doing it with a bid on Dean is the bit that I'm calling bullshit

the bid matching is probably going to cost you guys 650 points as you get pushed down by the annable, uwland and patterson picks - from 3454 points to 2798 points ouch - (and our 9 and 11 probably becomes 12 and 14, a 400 pt loss itself)

AFL Draft Pick Value Calculator - Draftguru

 

[SurreyBlue]

The proposed deal would actually help us, it would be a win-win.

It might or might not. Just don't like being 'threatened'.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Did you see his father play? He was only 188cm and Harry is still growing. I’m not concerned at all.

Back when Peter was playing Paul Salmon was the only 200cm forward, seems like every key forward now cracks the 2m

 

[Le Archie]

6 straight up for 9&11 probably improves our hand. Giving away 21 and 27 and pressuring Carlton into doing it with a bid on Dean is the bit that I'm calling bullshit

I actually couldn’t care less if you believe it or not. I really really couldn’t. Just telling the Carlton fans what I’ve heard from sources in the recruiting space and it makes complete sense strategically for both clubs.

 

[agro]

Did you see his father play? He was only 188cm and Harry is still growing. I’m not concerned at all.

I think you’re giving Peter Dean an extra 3cm - I’m not concerned about Harry’s height either if he has even half his father’s determination.

 

[Bjchan13]

I actually couldn’t care less if you believe it or not. I really really couldn’t. Just telling the Carlton fans what I’ve heard from sources in the recruiting space and it makes complete sense strategically for both clubs.

Sure pal

 

[GoBlues!]

thats the joyous bit - one of my favourite carlton players ever - if we get even something approaching his dad..... and the portents are strong, the next generation wont know what hit them.. was talking to my kids about Deano.... best i could come up with was Tom Stewart with more flair and violence

Yes, right I sense you are Uncle…

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

It's actually pretty funny when a couple of posters go hammer and tong on an opposition's board.

Personally, I hope Archie's goss is on the money. Reckon that trade is a win for both club's needs.

 

[JustaBattler]

Added value from the perspective two different views - should be more of it. BF forums are so unwelcome to decent 'interloping' discussion - I guess 'decent' is the debatable aspect of any such examples. I appreciated teh feedback from Le Archie

worst case scenario is We dont get Dean and he develops for two years elsewhere before coming home.

 

[ray8182]

Fyfe was putting up absurd numbers in the WAFL Colts, just wasn't getting as much of a look in at Champs level with Morabito, Lucas, Dunstan, and Swallow being their midfield core, along with Matera, Fasolo, Colyer, and Jamie Cripps in the squad for attacking mobility.

I think one game he had was 34 disposals and 8 goals? Guess enough recruiters didn't see how his mobility and strength would work at AFL level, while not being fond of his kicking technique.

My memory for Fyfe s draft year is a bit different.

Remember him playing in a champs game as like 3rd tall half forward. Looked very thin and light and a very flakey footballer.

I also Remember him having a couple of big games in the colts right at the end of the year, dominating as a forward.
My understanding was he didn’t do a hell of a lot until the end of the year and those late season big games drew Fremantles attention. I think he was taken at roughly pick 20, and that was seen as a reach.

He was a late developer and the difference between his under 18 year and his first year for freo was huge.

 

[ferrisb]

I think it was mick Ablett, said ‘his footy IQ is off the charts’

Mick Ablett thinks every draft has 250 once in a generation players...

 

[GoBlues!]

It might or might not. Just don't like being 'threatened'.

The idea has merit, but it depends on who’s available and who we’re targeting at around #6 - if it’s say a forward like Robey or Schubert who knows if they’ll be there at #6.

If on the other hand Essendon offers it’s earlier pick, #5 plus second rounders for our 9 + 11, then that would make it more appealing and increase our chances of getting a very good player that fills our needs such as a KPF (thinking Schubert as Robey would probably get picked up by the Tigers).

We could end up with Schubert, Dean and Ison which would be a great outcome imo.