Injury 2025 Injury Updates Thread

[Buget]

Was shocked to hear Hoyne say that we have been the 5th least impacted team by injury this year.
Doesn’t seem that way but very concerning if true.

Marshall - 0 games
Luko - 5 games
BZT - 9 games
Ratugolea - 13 games

That is a significant amount of games not played by key members that you base a team around.

Yes, Port depth has been found wanting, but not many teams would be able to cover 2 key forwards and 2 key defenders and a first choice ruck for most of the season.

 

[PJ Power]

Marshall - 0 games
Luko - 5 games
BZT - 9 games
Ratugolea - 13 games

That is a significant amount of games not played by key members that you base a team around.

Yes, Port depth has been found wanting, but not many teams would be able to cover 2 key forwards and 2 key defenders and a first choice ruck for most of the season.

That’s what I would have thought but apparently Fremantle, GWS and many other teams have been more impacted. Surprised me no end.

 

[PJ Power]

Marshall - 0 games
Luko - 5 games
BZT - 9 games
Ratugolea - 13 games

That is a significant amount of games not played by key members that you base a team around.

Yes, Port depth has been found wanting, but not many teams would be able to cover 2 key forwards and 2 key defenders and a first choice ruck for most of the season.

JHF must have missed a few, Butters three.

We’ve also had games where we’ve been down to three or two on the bench quite early.

 

[PowerLil]

Was shocked to hear Hoyne say that we have been the 5th least impacted team by injury this year.
Doesn’t seem that way but very concerning if true.

It's always been overblown in the Hinkley era. Every single year.

 

[The Hobo]

Ken just said we've had 18 surgeries this year, which is a big number. Said the worst he's had is 21 surgeries in a season.

Obviously there are other injuries that didn't need surgery so isn't a full picture. We're also playing clearly injured players such as Aliir, Wines, Rozee etc. So to be considered the 5th lowest is something I don't really believe without seeing the underlying factors considered.

 

[The Hobo]

That’s what I would have thought but apparently Fremantle, GWS and many other teams have been more impacted. Surprised me no end.

It's usually something simple like 'games missed by best 22'. Which doesn't factor the positions. We can afford to lose a midfielder more than we can afford to lose a key position, as we have zero depth in the key position areas.

BZT missed the start of the season, and by the time he started to find form, we lost Esava. Aliir is playing on one leg so wouldn't be counted in this metric.

Then up forward, Marshall hasn't played a game this season, and Lukosius has played probably 5, of which 2 he's got injured and didn't finish.

Freo probably have Walters, Fyfe and co being counted as big misses when it's highly debateable if they're best 22 currently.

 

[Grave Danger]

Bergman ruled out for season

Miles Bergman has been ruled out for the remainder of the season with a shoulder concern.

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

 

[Willsy10]

So basically that Hoyne bloke is only judging it based on stars of each team missing games not the overall numbers. It is pretty flawed. I thought we were rank 18th for players who have played every game and besides Essendon have used the most players this year. How does that not have an impact?

I'm not trying to make excuses, because the year was probably doomed anyway with this Hinkley Carr transition blunder but you can't possibly say we are the 5th least affected team by injury.

And 18 surgeries since January is an alarming figure, it helps explain why we are so unfit as a group, when you've had players miss that much critical training time being laid up post surgery.

And if Hoyne did his analysis at the end of the year that only considered the impact of your good players missing games then the likes of JHF, Bergman, SPP, and Esava are all done for the year so there is no way we would still be rated 5th least affected even using Hoyne's flawed analysis.

 

[Coobk001]

We hide our injuries and play injured players all the time, so doesn't surprise me that the figures mask our issues a bit.

Regardless I don't think our injuries have been as bad as many think though, our form has been largely completely independent of injuries. The concept that we'll get players back and be better next year is flawed. We have many injury prone players and there's no guarantee that we wont see many of them injured again next year, with a similar general injury toll.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Was shocked to hear Hoyne say that we have been the 5th least impacted team by injury this year.
Doesn’t seem that way but very concerning if true.

Yeah I was initially surprised 5th least but I thought about it later and said I would have put us around the middle as some teams have had long injury lists. I also do wonder reading his quotes whether they did a full 44 man squad analysis or forgot some players who missed the whole season.

The clubs most and least impacted by injuries in 2025

The best and worst injured lists.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Sewer de Lance]

Our injuries this year have been as bad as I can remember. All of Butters, Rozee, JHF & Bergman have missed games, or have played through duress over the year.

Rioli has played fat
Luko has barely got on the park
Marshall hasn’t played a single minute

If you add Esava &, SPP to the list, it ends up being 50% of our starting 18.

I’m not offering up excuses for some of pathetic performances, but no team is coming back from that.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Our injuries this year have been as bad as I can remember. All of Butters, Rozee, JHF & Bergman have missed games, or have played through duress over the year.

Rioli has played fat
Luko has barely got on the park
Marshall hasn’t played a single minute

If you add Esava &, SPP to the list, it ends up being 50% of our starting 18.

I’m not offering up excuses for some of pathetic performances, but no team is coming back from that.

We had a lot of injuries in 2011-12 when we had no funds for a decent rehab team.

I remember KT mid 2012 saying something along the lines of - people keep telling me we have all these great young players but Ive hardly seen them play because they are always injured. We then saw them form the core of our team in 2013 and 2014.

2016 we ended up playing a SANFL defence in the 2nd half of the year and had plenty others injured.

We had a lot of injuries in the first part of 2022 season.

 

[P4Life]

Was shocked to hear Hoyne say that we have been the 5th least impacted team by injury this year.
Doesn’t seem that way but very concerning if true.

Hoyne and his Champion Data crew have somehow become the unquestionable Gurus of all things AFL.
Some of their stats and player evaluations are hard to swallow.
The final straw was when MG kicked 7 against Melbourne and didn’t make the Top 10 rated players on the ground.
Yet Kozzie who played well was rated top 3 player of the round.
To many commentators now use CD as their reference point as opposed to making assessments based on what they see

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Hoyne and his Champion Data crew have somehow become the unquestionable Gurus of all things AFL.
Some of their stats and player evaluations are hard to swallow.
The final straw was when MG kicked 7 against Melbourne and didn’t make the Top 10 rated players on the ground.
Yet Kozzie who played well was rated top 3 player of the round.
To many commentators now use CD as their reference point as opposed to making assessments based on what they see

The thing CD has going for it, is its system is consistent and nobody really watches all 9 games each round, so it becomes that reference point for the whole competition analysis.

I written many times before its useful because of that consistency, but I dont agree with the algorithms 100%.

Jo Amartey kicked 8 pts and 2 on the full against Port and got a rating of negative 10.x. That is BS as he won the ball so often he had a valuable game, but the algorithm punishes bad goal kicking, especially from straight forward shots.

So CD's info should be part of any analysis not the full picture.

 

[Sleezy]

The thing CD has going for it, is its system is consistent and nobody really watches all 9 games each round, so it becomes that reference point for the whole competition analysis.

I written many times before its useful because of that consistency, but I dont agree with the algorithms 100%.

Jo Amartey kicked 8 pts and 2 on the full against Port and got a rating of negative 10.x. That is BS as he won the ball so often he had a valuable game, but the algorithm punishes bad goal kicking, especially from straight forward shots.

So CD's info should be part of any analysis not the full picture.

I've always assumed it was because a missed goal is both:

• a missed opportunity to score 6 points
• and it returns the ball to the opposition

Which is why it attracts such a negative penalty.

The big problem with the AFL player ratings stat is it's total inability to measure defensive impact. It's a solely offensive metric. You make an effective disposal? + points. Turnover? - points. No account for whether the turnover was forced through pressure, greater effort on the defender than the forward, or superior team structure behind the ball.

 

[Skindy]

The thing CD has going for it, is its system is consistent and nobody really watches all 9 games each round, so it becomes that reference point for the whole competition analysis.

I written many times before its useful because of that consistency, but I dont agree with the algorithms 100%.

Jo Amartey kicked 8 pts and 2 on the full against Port and got a rating of negative 10.x. That is BS as he won the ball so often he had a valuable game, but the algorithm punishes bad goal kicking, especially from straight forward shots.

So CD's info should be part of any analysis not the full picture.

How would a forward missing so often be a valuable game? It's the equivalent to an individual player having 10 direct turnover disposals which is horrendous. I think that is an appropriate rating on his impact on the game.

 

[RossFC]

Soldo (Corky), Jones (Thigh), Aliir (Knee), Rozee (Hand) all get up for the AFL side.

Logan Evans out with the flu for the AFL side.

Benny Barrett out with syndesmosis for the SANFL side.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Flu = week off
Entire Body Falling Off = play

Make it make sense.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I've always assumed it was because a missed goal is both:

• a missed opportunity to score 6 points
• and it returns the ball to the opposition

Which is why it attracts such a negative penalty.

The big problem with the AFL player ratings stat is it's total inability to measure defensive impact. It's a solely offensive metric. You make an effective disposal? + points. Turnover? - points. No account for whether the turnover was forced through pressure, greater effort on the defender than the forward, or superior team structure behind the ball.

They have expected score/rating from different positions so missing from 10m out gets a bigger negative than from 50m out.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

How would a forward missing so often be a valuable game? It's the equivalent to an individual player having 10 direct turnover disposals which is horrendous. I think that is an appropriate rating on his impact on the game.

He is winning the ball and scoring rather than letting the oppo turn it over. It does build confidence that you have the ability to win the ball, but have ro work on your set shots in Amartey's case.

 

[Schulzenfest]

The thing CD has going for it, is its system is consistent and nobody really watches all 9 games each round, so it becomes that reference point for the whole competition analysis.

I written many times before its useful because of that consistency, but I dont agree with the algorithms 100%.

Jo Amartey kicked 8 pts and 2 on the full against Port and got a rating of negative 10.x. That is BS as he won the ball so often he had a valuable game, but the algorithm punishes bad goal kicking, especially from straight forward shots.

So CD's info should be part of any analysis not the full picture.

CD's algorithm punishes players who win the contest but then make a mistake with the footy more than it punishes players who lose the contest. There have been games where I've received a higher ranking score sitting on my ass in the stands than somebody out on the field getting a decent amount of the ball but burning it a bit and ending up in the negatives. That's absurd.

The other major flaw is that it doesn't place anywhere near enough emphasis on goals. Matthew Kennedy has been a better forward than Jeremy Cameron this year if Champion Data are to be believed.

 

[QPower]

Our injuries have destabilised the team structurally and you can argue that reflects a lack of depth, but not all injury lists are equal and take the Champion Data figures with a huge grain of salt.

 

[RossFC]

Moraes a late out of the SANFL side

 

[Doctor Feel]

Moraes a late out of the SANFL side

Anyone know when the funeral is? Ive been kept out of the loop on this one.

 

[RossFC]

Never mind he's an emergency now, all 3 emergencies held back from SANFL.