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[sweethoney]

I reckon we go hard for Darcy Cameron.

Can’t see Collingwood letting him go while in contract, with no replacement and especially to us

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Can’t see Collingwood letting him go while in contract, with no replacement and especially to us

Is Rowen Marshall available ?

 

[I bleed Blue]

Absolutely love TDK. Will be very disappointed if he leaves. My kids will be shattered, they love the king.

What Saints are offering is absurd though, $1.7 million is far too much.

I still hold out hope he will stay for unders like all our other stars have.

 

[Red Bull]

Is Rowen Marshall available ?

NWM is available.
We have the money set aside for TDK to lure him with …

 

[JJBagger]

NWM is available.
We have the money set aside for TDK to lure him with …

NWM will either stay at the saints or go to SA

 

[tarczonandjane]

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His continuing crusade against the father son rule.

 

[sweethoney]

Absolutely love TDK. Will be very disappointed if he leaves. My kids will be shattered, they love the king.

What Saints are offering is absurd though, $1.7 million is far too much.

I still hold out hope he will stay for unders like all our other stars have.

We Could always try getting someone’s kid to write him a letter with 20 cents in it

 

[SurreyBlue]

His continuing crusade against the father son rule.

They’re a pathetic, insignificant club that cannot support themselves and who just try to want change (draft / away jumper, competeive balance, etc.) so they can become something. Truly sad being a Aints supporter.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If TdK takes the an offer like StKilda’s we are only talking $300k more after tax. $6000 dollars a week. In the scheme of things, it’s not that great as he’ll be earning good money with us as well. What he gives up is the Carlton family, network and future business opportunities that I don’t believe he’ll get at the Saints. IMO, Short term gain for long term loss.

This assumes that post-footy he wants to get into business.

"Only $300k extra after tax"? Over a 7-year deal! Two million extra dollars.

Maybe he wants to bank the money now, buy a few investment properties for steady rental income and capital gains, and then spend the next 30 years of his life living by the beach and surfing every day...

Not everyone wants a career. If I won the lottery I'd certainly be eyeing off an early retirement and a relaxing lifestyle. This offer from St Kilda is very much a lottery win for TDK.

 

[Pablito]

This assumes that post-footy he wants to get into business.

"Only $300k extra after tax"? Over a 7-year deal! Two million extra dollars.

Maybe he wants to bank the money now, buy a few investment properties for steady rental income and capital gains, and then spend the next 30 years of his life living by the beach and surfing every day...

Not everyone wants a career. If I won the lottery I'd certainly be eyeing off an early retirement and a relaxing lifestyle. This offer from St Kilda is very much a lottery win for TDK.

This. "Only 300k extra a year" is probably some of the funniest shit I've read on here .

Lets say conservatively he makes 5% compounding on that 300k every year for 7 years. That works out to be 2.1mil of original investment plus around another 700k by the end of the 7 years in returns.

So it's a $2.8 million dollar difference over 7 years (not including tax on capital gains).

I want him to stay obviously. But he'd be pretty dumb to really.

You could almost live off the bank interest alone off that extra amount assuming he's paid off his mortgage by the end of his career.

But according to some, it's not that much extra

 

[Blue_Fusion]

l would absolutely not define this offer by the Saints as a smart move.
Firstly they already have a quality ruckman, How many two ruck combo's have actually worked.

TDK is a very good player, the offer from Carlton probably still makes him our highest paid player, if he elects to leave l don't see him flourishing at all being a dual ruck with Marshall.

If Saints have that much spare cash much smarter for them to identify some other quality many other players eg Zac Butters gun player etc.

l can also see the upside for us if he does go eg a high draft pick and chasing a Zak Butters the following with the spare cash.

It will cripple their list... so, not too bothered by it.

Not keen on making TDK our highest paid player... has not shown enough consistency to warrant that imo.

I'd much rather we let him go, look for a much cheaper ruck and spend the extra coin on other areas of need. Take the draft pick even though it won't be near his worth in trade value, it'll still be useful.

 

[Broadside]

Ask Aaron Hammil how he feels - currently he's working as an Assistant Coach at Carlton - after having went for the money to Shit Kilda over 20 year ago - doesn't look like he was too looked after in life after football at Shit Kilda.

St Kilda’s last 25 years has been streets ahead of ours. He made the right call.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Not sure I’d be comfortable making TDK the highest paid player at the club. He hasn’t been AA top 40 or B&F.

If Tom decided to go. We’d also need to manage him through the rest of the year, he needs to play every game to reach 100 games. Don’t want to miss out on further father son/daughters (Kennedy & Fisher)

 

[HereComesJuddy]

l would absolutely not define this offer by the Saints as a smart move.
Firstly they already have a quality ruckman, How many two ruck combo's have actually worked.

TDK is a very good player, the offer from Carlton probably still makes him our highest paid player, if he elects to leave l don't see him flourishing at all being a dual ruck with Marshall.

If Saints have that much spare cash much smarter for them to identify some other quality many other players eg Zac Butters gun player etc.

l can also see the upside for us if he does go eg a high draft pick and chasing a Zak Butters the following with the spare cash.

Saint clearly want to hold all their picks. Butters would cost a huge amount of money and all the picks they have this year and next to get him out of his contract

 

[AndyLucimitis]

St Kilda’s last 25 years has been streets ahead of ours. He made the right call.

Yep - I get the tired of the 'St. Kilda are a rabble' mentality on here. It's quite frankly embarrassing and delusional. They have been better than us in modern times.

 

[BlueBlood15]

Yep - I get the tired of the 'St. Kilda are a rabble' mentality on here. It's quite frankly embarrassing and delusional. They have been better than us in modern times.

To be fair they are a rabble, but I take your point about stones and glass houses etc.

 

[macky99]

Saint clearly want to hold all their picks. Butters would cost a huge amount of money and all the picks they have this year and next to get him out of his contract

l can that point but absolutely ridiculous amount of $ to offer TDK.
They actually have 3-4 talented kids who will command big $ soon, Wanganeen-Milera is a absolute gun in the making, very poor move by the Saints, big fan of TDK but not even close to being worth $1.7m.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

l can that point but absolutely ridiculous amount of $ to offer TDK.
They actually have 3-4 talented kids who will command big $ soon, Wanganeen-Milera is a absolute gun in the making, very poor move by the Saints, big fan of TDK but not even close to being worth $1.7m.

I know about NWM. They clearly have the money and NEED to spend it this year. At a guess they have been spending minimum and it appears this year they must spend that money.

Sure they can offer ever player $50k or so extra but that money must be now spent.

Do I think he is worth 1.7 million a year. Of course not. But they will probably pay him 2.5 or so in his first year or 2 as they MUST spend this saved cash. The yearly cost will be most likely just over a million each year for the remainder of the contract if they burn this saved money correctly

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

In a world as expensive as this. You take all of it because it's still not huge numbers and it's only for limited years. It's security against injury, it's security for your children if something happens to you. It's future opportunity and freedom. It's providing the best for your family. It opens up opportunity to be far more philanthropic in retirement... I'm taking the extra every day of the week not for me but for my family. Why wouldn't you.

So if he signs a 7 year deal with Carlton at $1m a year you think he will struggle to provide for his family in retirement?

Whatever deal he takes (plus sponsorship deals) he will be set up for life - that makes money less of a deciding factor than happiness and success.

 

[JJBagger]

Yep - I get the tired of the 'St. Kilda are a rabble' mentality on here. It's quite frankly embarrassing and delusional. They have been better than us in modern times.

Why can’t both things be true? They are a minnow club, but have also had a higher peak this century?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

So if he signs a 7 year deal with Carlton at $1m a year you think he will struggle to provide for his family in retirement?

Whatever deal he takes (plus sponsorship deals) he will be set up for life - that makes money less of a deciding factor than happiness and success.

Maybe he wants a beach front house in Torquay and the difference it being able to get that house and retire on the money he has made in footy or get that house and possibly have to work for the rest of his life.

 

[macky99]

I know about NWM. They clearly have the money and NEED to spend it this year. At a guess they have been spending minimum and it appears this year they must spend that money.

Sure they can offer ever player $50k or so extra but that money must be now spent.

Do I think he is worth 1.7 million a year. Of course not. But they will probably pay him 2.5 or so in his first year or 2 as they MUST spend this saved cash. The yearly cost will be most likely just over a million each year for the remainder of the contract if they burn this saved money correctly

It does not matter how the deal is cut it is a ridiculous amount of $, he could potentially be paid double what Marshall is earning, that is bound to cause disharmony in the group & implications for future list management decisions.

One player is not going to make them go bottom mid-lower tier team to a top four team.

 

[BlueJet]

I can't win a premiership at my work.

And when I quit my job I won't have supporters of my employer offering massive deals.

The club that ticks both of those boxes is Geelong.

 

[BlueJet]

Ask Aaron Hammil how he feels - currently he's working as an Assistant Coach at Carlton - after having went for the money to Shit Kilda over 20 year ago - doesn't look like he was too looked after in life after football at Shit Kilda.

Now ask Brett Ratten..

 

[Blue__Balls]

So if he signs a 7 year deal with Carlton at $1m a year you think he will struggle to provide for his family in retirement?

Whatever deal he takes (plus sponsorship deals) he will be set up for life - that makes money less of a deciding factor than happiness and success.

You're projecting as a fan who doesn't actually have to make the decision.

You want happiness and success to be his motivating factor. Maybe a flag just isn't that important to him. Fun little tidbit - there are 139 players currently active on AFL lists who have won a premiership. There are 765 total players active on club lists. So less than 20% of current players have had "success".

Found some historical research from back in 2012 that someone had done up to that point. From 1897 to 2011, the figure was around 12% of total players had won a premiership during their career.

So from a success perspective - not only is there never a guarantee, but the odds are stacked very much against any given player winning a flag. I don't think TDK could definitively say that he'd have a better chance with one or the other of Carlton and St Kilda - both clubs are very much in a precarious position with regards to their prospects over the next 5-10 years. Maybe TDK isn't hellbent on a flag regardless, maybe he just enjoys getting paid to play footy.

And happiness? Come off it - he's not gonna get blacklisted by any of his mates at Carlton if he takes a stupidly good offer from another club. The players all know how the league works, and aren't going to begrudge him cashing in on the biggest offer the league has yet seen. Not only that...you know what, he's probably got good mates outside the club, and would easily make new friends at St Kilda too. He's not going to become some lonely old spinster as a result of moving clubs for a massive payday.