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[JustOneTime]

For the record I like Cotts. I think his hard running up and down the ground covers a lot of gaps. It’s easier to appreciate him at the ground.

Acres runs almost as hard. Ollie too.

Great having them in the side.

Although I have SOME question marks about Ollie in the backline after watching match sim the other day. Is not a slam dunk there yet.

I think you are right in that he fills that gap. I just feel Austin and Carlton should be looking for a runner that fills that gap plus can do something else on top. It isnt a big ask and I'm not askng for another Walsh either.

 

[ferrisb]

I just feel Austin and Carlton should be looking for a runner that fills that gap plus can do something else on top. It isnt a big ask and I'm not askng for another Walsh either.

 

[btdg]

Why St Kilda’s $1.5m per year Weitering offer is the “minimum” to get star Blue to consider leaving

It is massive money.

archive.sen.com.au

True Blue: Star defender signs long-term extension

Jacob Weitering has signed a long-term extension with the Blues

www.afl.com.au

Short memory

Regular reminder of how this works:

Carlton to TDK's manager: "Hey, lets get that contract extension sorted. What about, say, $600k per year for 4 years"
TDK's manager: "I want a bit more than that... but that is a good offer. Give me a day or two and I'll get back to you"

Newspaper Manager: "We need a Carlton story to get some clicks. What have you got?"
Newspaper guy: "Hmmm... TDK is out of contract. Let's put something together"

Newspaper guy: "Hey SOS. You drafted TDK, now you are at St Kilda. Any interest?"
SOS: "Of course, he's a good player. Is he available?"
Newspaper guy: "He hasn't signed... what do you think it would take to get him out of Carlton?"
SOS: "He seems pretty happy there. I'd probably have to offer him a huge amount. Maybe $1.2m? Maybe even more for us, we're hardly the biggest ticket in town right now? Lets stay $1.5m in the first year as a big bonus, then decreasing after that of course"

Newspaper guy to TDK management: "SOS said it would take $1.5m to get TDK to ST Kilda. Is that true?"
Manager: "Ummm.... yeah, sure, we'd have to think about that. That's a lot of money and TDK totally deserves that much"

Next day in the newspaper "TDK considering offer of $1.5m to St Kilda"

TDK Manager to Carlton: "Hey, did you see that newspaper article? Surely you go a bit higher on your offer?"
Carlton: "Fine... but you know that's not real, right? Lets say $700k per year, 5 years, and we hold off on the announcement until 24 hours after the next Carlton player goes down injured in a meaningless preseason drill"
TDK Manager: "Done"

24 hours later...

Carlton social media: "Signed. The King is returning for 5 more years"
Newspaper guy to SOS: "So, what do you think they gave him. Could it have been as big as your offer?"
SOS: "Probably not. But I guess it's possible... would have been stupid to go that high, but anything is possible"
Newspaper the next day: "Carlton's Salary Cap full to brim after TDK signs a deal that could be in excess of $1.5m per year"
Kane Cornes "How could Carlton give a 5 year deal worth more than $2m per year? That's as stupid as drafting Sam Walsh over Conor Rozee"
Collingwood supporters on Bigfooty "Huh huh huh Brown paper bags huh huh huh"

And so the cycle continues...

 

[Arr0w]

Mongrel levels need to rise, Newman was a standout, these guys will stand their ground, but wouldn't describe them as having mongrel

Williams, Cowan, Fogarty, Cripps, Jsos, TDK, Acres, Weitering, Pitto, Saad

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Cripps absolutely has mongrel. He loves to push opposition players into the turf. Cowan has it. SOS will fly the flag. Reckon Lij will go. Weiters is learning how strong he is now. Pitto will stand up. Cincotta has it. Cottrell has a bit.

I really want to see more from Charlie and Harry, and the other midfielders who seem like nice guys.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I think you are right in that he fills that gap. I just feel Austin and Carlton should be looking for a runner that fills that gap plus can do something else on top. It isnt a big ask and I'm not askng for another Walsh either.

reckon he could be used effectively as a stopper.... whilst also capable of running forward and kicking a couple....

runs all day, appears that he likes a bit of chatter.... the niggly type.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Cripps absolutely has mongrel. He loves to push opposition players into the turf. Cowan has it. SOS will fly the flag. Reckon Lij will go. Weiters is learning how strong he is now. Pitto will stand up. Cincotta has it. Cottrell has a bit.

I really want to see more from Charlie and Harry, and the other midfielders who seem like nice guys.

yep, big H really needs to hurt a few opponents....

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Cottrell can still play as a decent role player, in a number of areas

Smart, cheap list management

Cotts is a great back up when injuries occur....

Plus you've gotta love his smile and celebrations when he bags a goal.....

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[TrueQldBlue]

Anyone mentioning Fog as a depth player is mad. Is crucial to us.

I don't know about crucial...

His lucky game streak has finished....[emoji12]

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[Earls Smother]

reckon he could be used effectively as a stopper.... whilst also capable of running forward and kicking a couple....

runs all day, appears that he likes a bit of chatter.... the niggly type.

Our forward line is a very interesting discussion. Do we want to kick more goals, or do we want to prevent the opposition running the ball out to set up goals of their own? We are trying to create more run out of our own backline and other sides will be doing the same. Shutting that down is a major consideration.

Harry and Charlie obviously play. EH plays, and you would think at least 2 smalls - most would say Williams and Motlop based on preseason so far. The other 2 spots could be anything, pending the opponents.

Moir could play round 1 against Richmond and kick 3 goals. That doesn't mean we would pick him in a grand final 6 months later against GWS, if we need someone to run with a dominant Whitfield. Kicking 3 but having your opponent set up 4 is not winning.

We really have 3 categories to pick from - smalls, Fog, Durds and Fanta, medium/talls, Moir and Kemp, and extra runners Cotts and Doc (pending someone like Binns playing wing). Most games we won't pick 2 from the same category IMO. Pitto playing some games as TDK tires, might necessitate a different balance.

I'm not a huge wrap for Ollie playing back, but I can see why we are doing it. Our elite runners were all bunched around wing and half forward. Makes sense to spread them out.

The game is not necessarily about having 7 guys who can all kick multiple goals. I think Cottrell still plays an important role - not so much for what he directly does for us, but for what he stops his opponent doing for them.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Why St Kilda’s $1.5m per year Weitering offer is the “minimum” to get star Blue to consider leaving

It is massive money.

archive.sen.com.au

True Blue: Star defender signs long-term extension

Jacob Weitering has signed a long-term extension with the Blues

www.afl.com.au

Short memory

I’ll put that in my pipe because I couldn’t imagine Weitering being on much more then $1m

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

This isn't a normal situation?
Players are head-hunted all the time, Saints have had a crack at De Goey & Brayshaw & Davies Uniacke to name a few similarly TDK two years ago all offered big $ without success.

Saints are hardly one of the most attractive clubs to move to.

Good clubs don't divulge their recruitment strategies, pretty sure end result is TDK receives an extra $200-300k to stay at Carlton.

Of course they do but TDK probably has 20 good games to his name and is reportedly getting offered $1.7mil.

Everyone knew Geelong was into Cameron and Smith, Richmond and Lynch. The only difference is the dollars is the story here.

 

[RPCB]

St Kilda think this is a sport like baseball where the worst team can table the biggest offer to the best FA, and end up signing the player. The worst team can’t do that in AFL. The player will always take way less to sign for a contender.

My suggestion to St Kilda would be to stop sucking year after year after year after year (for dramatic effect) after year and only then they can be in with a very good chance to sign the very best OOC players.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Our forward line is a very interesting discussion. Do we want to kick more goals, or do we want to prevent the opposition running the ball out to set up goals of their own? We are trying to create more run out of our own backline and other sides will be doing the same. Shutting that down is a major consideration.

Harry and Charlie obviously play. EH plays, and you would think at least 2 smalls - most would say Williams and Motlop based on preseason so far. The other 2 spots could be anything, pending the opponents.

Moir could play round 1 against Richmond and kick 3 goals. That doesn't mean we would pick him in a grand final 6 months later against GWS, if we need someone to run with a dominant Whitfield. Kicking 3 but having your opponent set up 4 is not winning.

We really have 3 categories to pick from - smalls, Fog, Durds and Fanta, medium/talls, Moir and Kemp, and extra runners Cotts and Doc (pending someone like Binns playing wing). Most games we won't pick 2 from the same category IMO. Pitto playing some games as TDK tires, might necessitate a different balance.

I'm not a huge wrap for Ollie playing back, but I can see why we are doing it. Our elite runners were all bunched around wing and half forward. Makes sense to spread them out.

The game is not necessarily about having 7 guys who can all kick multiple goals. I think Cottrell still plays an important role - not so much for what he directly does for us, but for what he stops his opponent doing for them.

Yep,

Assuming fit - H, Charlie and Williams in the starting (forward) 6.

Second small a raffle - Fog, Mots, Durds or OF.... plenty of reports that both Mots and Fantasia are tearing it up...

3rd and 4th talls - Moir, Kemp, EH (as a revolving mid/HFF).

TDK will rest forward too.

Back 6 equally tricky.

Weiters, Saad, Haynes, Guv, Cow and O. Hollands my guess with Doc as a plug holes as required type...

Where does that leave JSOS, for example?

Midfield 6 - TDK, Crippa, Cerra, Walsh, GH, that Jagga kid (will play most games this year).

The bench (4) - Acres, Doc, a small, a mid or tall (JSOS as utility/back up ruck?)

Boyd... Cotts... Lord... Binns (rate highly) + no doubt missed someone good too...

 

[Beyond Blue]

Would be a massive fail for Saints if they sign him up on that...

So, massive offer to Weiters, now a ridiculous offer for TDK...

If I didn't know any better, it looks like their objective is to sabotage us rather than win a flag...

no wonder they never amount to anything...

They have to offer ridiculous overs to get anyone to go there. The club is a rabble. Always was, always will be. I’d be shocked if TDK went there, like Weiters when got his god father offer from the Saints, but it wouldn’t shock me if the “big fish” the Saints end up shaking out a from our club is Kemp.

The only club that really concerns me about prying TDK away from us is Geelong because of the SDK link. I reckon they both lined up coming out of contract at the same time to give themselves a chance to play together. I’d like to think our club is thinking about how they can unite them but I can’t see how we can get a deal done.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Imo

E.Hollands Mckay Williams
Motlop Curnow Kemp/Moir

Fogarty/Durdin

If Orazio somehow has a late career revival and turns back into the early career Orazio he takes Fog/Durds spot as that high half forward rotation.

 

[JustOneTime]

reckon he could be used effectively as a stopper.... whilst also capable of running forward and kicking a couple....

runs all day, appears that he likes a bit of chatter.... the niggly type.

True.

Currently in less than 10% of supporter teams. I think what i'm saying no one likes but when it comes to the crunch of selection, people have forgotten him.

 

[bradfisher14]

Imo

E.Hollands Mckay Williams
Motlop Curnow Kemp/Moir

Fogarty/Durdin

If Orazio somehow has a late career revival and turns back into the early career Orazio he takes Fog/Durds spot as that high half forward rotation.

Mine is pretty much identical, but I have Motlop/Fogarty/Durdin/Cottrell in a fight for the last two fwd spots. Leaning towards Motlop and Cottrell atm, but don't see either as locks.

Do you see Motlop as a lock?

 

[KJP7]

For the record I like Cotts. I think his hard running up and down the ground covers a lot of gaps. It’s easier to appreciate him at the ground.

Acres runs almost as hard. Ollie too.

Great having them in the side.

Although I have SOME question marks about Ollie in the backline after watching match sim the other day. Is not a slam dunk there yet.

I agree re Ollie, I think the overlap run will be a real asset but the disposal still looks a little iffy at times.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Mine is pretty much identical, but I have Motlop/Fogarty/Durdin/Cottrell in a fight for the last two fwd spots. Leaning towards Motlop and Cottrell atm, but don't see either as locks.

Do you see Motlop as a lock?

I don't see him as a lock but I'm hoping he becomes one this year. By all accounts he's in career best condition so lets hope he has a big year.

 

[DangerousD]

The likelihood of us cutting him with a year to go on his contract is infinitesimal.

He brings a lot more to the team than what you are acknowledging, although he needs to improve his kicking (which was good when he first came to the club).

If he is contracted he will be fine, but i stand by my view that he needs a good season or others will go past him.

Like a few players we let go last year Fogs number one issue is his availability, hopefully he can get his body right and growth will come as a result.

 

[Lace_Out]

True, a bit on the soft side

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[Juice030103]

Imo

E.Hollands Mckay Williams
Motlop Curnow Kemp/Moir

Fogarty/Durdin

If Orazio somehow has a late career revival and turns back into the early career Orazio he takes Fog/Durds spot as that high half forward rotation.

I’d be happy to say after seeing match sim Friday he’s 100% in vossys best 23

 

[The Bighouse]

I’d be happy to say after seeing match sim Friday he’s 100% in vossys best 23

Seemingly he’s got his body right (for now) and looking the goods.

He does offer up better than most on our list with his disposal. Certainly helps into fwd50.

 

[The Bighouse]

Our forward line is a very interesting discussion. Do we want to kick more goals, or do we want to prevent the opposition running the ball out to set up goals of their own? We are trying to create more run out of our own backline and other sides will be doing the same. Shutting that down is a major consideration.

Harry and Charlie obviously play. EH plays, and you would think at least 2 smalls - most would say Williams and Motlop based on preseason so far. The other 2 spots could be anything, pending the opponents.

Moir could play round 1 against Richmond and kick 3 goals. That doesn't mean we would pick him in a grand final 6 months later against GWS, if we need someone to run with a dominant Whitfield. Kicking 3 but having your opponent set up 4 is not winning.

We really have 3 categories to pick from - smalls, Fog, Durds and Fanta, medium/talls, Moir and Kemp, and extra runners Cotts and Doc (pending someone like Binns playing wing). Most games we won't pick 2 from the same category IMO. Pitto playing some games as TDK tires, might necessitate a different balance.

I'm not a huge wrap for Ollie playing back, but I can see why we are doing it. Our elite runners were all bunched around wing and half forward. Makes sense to spread them out.

The game is not necessarily about having 7 guys who can all kick multiple goals. I think Cottrell still plays an important role - not so much for what he directly does for us, but for what he stops his opponent doing for them.

Probably another option (when returning to full fitness) will be Cincotta, especially if you wanted a more negating /defensive role up forward **though overlooked in the final for Zorko

Was quite impactful last season and hit the scoreboard as well.