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[The Old Dark Navy's]

If the offer comes and TDK blinks, then we bank the money and use it for our own free agent. I have a feeling Hudson O'Keeffe is coming fast.

 

[Opium]

A good lockdown key back needs pace off the mark. Does JSOS have that first 5m burst?

Weitering certainly doesn't

 

[bradfisher14]

If the offer comes and TDK blinks, then we bank the money and use it for our own free agent. I have a feeling Hudson O'Keeffe is coming fast.

There will also be a more than capable player on the ruck merry-go-round that would love to be our #1 for a fraction of what TDK is being offered. Our own personal Lloyd Meek, if you will. A very strong case could be made that this strategy is better for our long-term list health than re-signing TDK to a big contract.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

If the offer comes and TDK blinks, then we bank the money and use it for our own free agent. I have a feeling Hudson O'Keeffe is coming fast.

Sam Collins has entered the chat.

 

[BlueJet]

Let’s be clear Kruz and H were/are good afl players but nowhere near the cc fev
Judd kouta and Cripps level

Strongly disagree.

 

[tragic]

There will also be a more than capable player on the ruck merry-go-round that would love to be our #1 for a fraction of what TDK is being offered. Our own personal Lloyd Meek, if you will. A very strong case could be made that this strategy is better for our long-term list health than re-signing TDK to a big contract.

I treat TDK as an extra midfielder so happy to pay midfielder money

 

[Crippa#9]

Other clubs don’t know our cap and have their own cap to worry about.
It is common knowledge our big sign ons in recent years have taken less to stick together.
What’s in the media is pure and utter fantasy.

If TDK gets a grandfather offer and takes it so be it, but it’s not because saints know how much room we have, it’s because they are desperate to be relevant.


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Disagree. With respect, I wouldn't be that naïve. Perhaps not down to the exact dollar but all smart clubs (within List Management) would have a fairly acute understanding of other club's approx cap space. They are in daily dialogue with all the various player managers, other list managers etc.

I would be almost certain we, along with every other club, would have a known/close estimate of every current AFL players' salary on a spreadsheet. I know for a fact one big Melbourne based club does.
Pretty simple then to form an assessment of each club's TPP.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Important distinction to make. St Kilda have not offered TDK anything yet. They have leaked to a media mouthpiece that they are considering a ridiculously high offer. This is gamesmanship from SOS, if St Kilda were a genuine chance of getting him, they'd be having quiet conversations with his management and doing as much as possible to keep it under wraps to avoid driving up offers from other clubs. They're not. They're trying to shift the conversation from "Is TDK worth $1mil a season" to "Is TDK worth $1.5mil a season" by way of throwing out media reports of $1.7mil.

SOS's plan will be to try and drive up what we have to pay to keep him, by whatever margin he can, in the hopes that it will help shake loose a Brodie Kemp type.

 

[Jatz]

All depends on motivation but I'd have no problems with TDK taking that absurd offer.

We'd have to figure out how to replace him but I trust the mob in charge at the moment.

 

[macky99]

Disagree. With respect, I wouldn't be that naïve. Perhaps not down to the exact dollar but all smart clubs (within List Management) would have a fairly acute understanding of other club's approx cap space. They are in daily dialogue with all the various player managers, other list managers etc.

I would be almost certain we, along with every other club, would have a known/close estimate of every current AFL players' salary on a spreadsheet. I know for a fact one big Melbourne based club does.
Pretty simple then to form an assessment of each club's TPP.

Also need to consider although clubs may have a good idea of the value of the contract they would have no idea of how that is being structured over the term of the contract.
There is absolutely no doubt you can structure the long term deals accordingly to the list, we know in a few years Cripps/Saad & Doc and some others will reach the end of their careers so deals can be structured accordingly.

Our list management team decided not to go for any high profile players the last few years, so Weitering & TDK would be priority signings.

 

[Coona Blues]

Important distinction to make. St Kilda have not offered TDK anything yet. They have leaked to a media mouthpiece that they are considering a ridiculously high offer. This is gamesmanship from SOS, if St Kilda were a genuine chance of getting him, they'd be having quiet conversations with his management and doing as much as possible to keep it under wraps to avoid driving up offers from other clubs. They're not. They're trying to shift the conversation from "Is TDK worth $1mil a season" to "Is TDK worth $1.5mil a season" by way of throwing out media reports of $1.7mil.

SOS's plan will be to try and drive up what we have to pay to keep him, by whatever margin he can, in the hopes that it will help shake loose a Brodie Kemp type.

I am reading a list management strategy under our current team. Your final sentence is a pre cursor to what I think we are going to see.

We WILL look to maintain our elite talent in the, medium term future. We now have what looks like a great group of under 22 players, just starting out on their careers. While I am not a fan of moving on valuable and loyal players, I think that is what we will see. Owies and Kennedy are a precursor to what is coming in the next three to four off seasons.

Hopefully our top end talent continues to sign at a discount. Likely they have post career commitments to compensate for sacrifices. Surely we would have our own version of the Geelong property rorts in place, particularly as our current CEO was the man who orchestrated the Cats’ model.

The list of out of contract players at the end of ‘25 does not contain ANY obvious expendables. Many, myself included thought Fantasia was one, but from reports has had a renaissance. Haynes only has one year on his contract, but a good season and good health will likely see him retained. We have to find a minimum of three main list spots. I have doubts that we will be parting with young talent on “minimum chips” if they are meeting expectation. We will be moving on mid tier types, good solid, or even better, players with ready made replacements coming along who will cost us significantly less.

Kemp had interest from SOS at St Kilda, a “breakout” year would nearly price us out. It has already been suggested Pitto would/could be moved on of O’Keeffe steps up and TDK re-signs. Young has been “shopped” previously and could be again depending on the health of Gov and Haynes and the development of HOF, and perhaps the addition of a rookie option in SSP period. Gov may indeed become expendable depending on his performance and soundness as well a the performance of his peers. We may add McMahon in the SSP, giving us an alternative to Lemmey for the future if he does not “come up” or alternatively demands too much for his next contract.

I think we have a very loyal and very close player group, the dynamic going forward will be fascinating. We have little or no expendable dead wood, and will need to maximise draft capital. I think there will be some disconcerting list decisions.

We have put together a superb list, Austin and the team have filled the gaps admirably. A couple more “tweaks” required before the Devils’ concessions kick in. We look like finally getting a good run with father-son and NGA prospects which should serve us very well in the compromised drafts to come.

 

[gbatman]

We have been good enough for chunks of two seasons but have been ground down by injuries and then our style also grinds us by season end as it is significantly stoppage and pack mark based.

I think everything plays second fiddle to improvement in goal efficiency which is effectively improved transition resulting in easier overlap goals. We need these easier goals to lessen the physical impact on bodies by finals.

For mine, this is on Voss and the MC. That's where we get our best injection of improvement.

We have been pretty good at times but not good enough to win a premiership. Too many holes and not enough list depth. I've been saying it for years, the midfield is too one paced and terrible with it's defence and pressure and the forward line lacks a hell of a lot. We are just like a lot of other teams who are good but not that good. Our style comes from the personnelle we have, that's not a planned thing.

I think we have taken big strides towards getting there with our recruitment.

Goal transition is a big deal. Lack of genuine forwards is the main reason but also being too slow in the midfield. Honestly we don't have many places to go when we go forward, that's about to change.

Voss has made some mistakes selection wise at times but I think in the end he will get things right.

Generally every club rejuvenate, its standard list management. Playing youth isn't the priority strategy to go to another level

Yes, everyone is trying to improve. If our youth don't come through the only way we can go is backwards. The team is not premier quality but it can be, it's not far off. Recruitment has been good and has focused on the missing pieces.

The only changes you mention is playing youth, there is way more many aspects to improve as a whole

Nope, playing new recruits and position changes were mentioned.

Last few seasons is irrelevent, clubs make around 9 changes a year, essentially a full list in 5 years

Not fully irrelevant. Our previous teams demonstrate where the improvement is needed.

Many of the "youth" you mention haven't even found consistency at VFL, unless thier output has improved dramatically in 1 off season, they aren't playing ahead of established players

They will be fine, just my judgement. Some will be reserve players but decent quality ones which is much needed.

I like the list changes too, especially moving on injury prone types

It was a good decision to bit the bullet and let those guys go. We had a too many project players and injury prone players on the list. Made it very hard.

That's a stretch, he isn't miles ahead, but the signs have been extremely encouraging

The only midfielder on our list who matches Lord's pressure is Walsh. We have seen so many sides win flags by prioritising closing speed and pressure quality and ours is really poor. We make up for it by being good offensively but when we are beaten or matched offensively we look terrible. We know this, this is why we recruited Lord. What I like about him is he is also strong offensively. He's impressive.

I wouldn't call him a spread player, I see him as a young Hewett

From the small sample I have seen, his spread from the contest is very good and much better than Hewett, though I can't remember what Hewett was like as a younger player.

On the back of no real preseason, and only finding consistency late in tge VFL season, he wasn't a lock, nor would 1 player be the difference in that final

We made some much much worse selections and he had just come of a really good offensive and defensive game. It was dumb, there is nowhere to hide for us in that final, selections were a trainwreck. Either way we were never going to win but could have done a little better and got some experience into some.

It's why other factors are more important, such as continuity, gameplan, tactics, etc


Doubt it, I was at the game and 1 player wasn't changing that result


Don't think he is a difference maker, it will take a whole team approach

Lord and Smith will be. They will bring a lot of things to the team that the team is really weak with. Closing speed, chasing pressure and ball carrying. Two players who can bring these qualities makes a very big difference. We are weak here but a little lift goes a long way for us.

I've seen this all preseason, it's a fallacy, just like Wilson jumping ahead of other established players, on the back of inconsistent VFL form, and a preseason of non combative match sims

Wilson won't be best 22 but will likely play games and may ask questions of whether he should be in or not. Has talent. This is important.

I think they both Hewett and Lord play in the same side and or based on early season form, but I'd be shocked if Hewett didn't start the season

It's hard to know without seeing the match sim. Speed and pressure need to come from somewhere. Walsh, Lord and Smith I think bring it and will be important. I think Hewett will play but I'm not 100% yet but I would have him in the side. But we need what Lord brings badly, we aren't a shot at it without upping our pressure.

 

[lily of laguna]

Disagree. With respect, I wouldn't be that naïve. Perhaps not down to the exact dollar but all smart clubs (within List Management) would have a fairly acute understanding of other club's approx cap space. They are in daily dialogue with all the various player managers, other list managers etc.

I would be almost certain we, along with every other club, would have a known/close estimate of every current AFL players' salary on a spreadsheet. I know for a fact one big Melbourne based club does.
Pretty simple then to form an assessment of each club's TPP.

Yes I agree each club would have channels of communication with various managers on numerous players. I don’t agree that managers would divulge precise details about all their players to each club.




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[SurreyBlue]

Disagree. With respect, I wouldn't be that naïve. Perhaps not down to the exact dollar but all smart clubs (within List Management) would have a fairly acute understanding of other club's approx cap space. They are in daily dialogue with all the various player managers, other list managers etc.

I would be almost certain we, along with every other club, would have a known/close estimate of every current AFL players' salary on a spreadsheet. I know for a fact one big Melbourne based club does.
Pretty simple then to form an assessment of each club's TPP.

Spreadsheets and * go hand in hand.

 

[JustaBattler]

Sydney made a GF with the 3rd lowest average pressure ratings Collingwood didnt make finals with the highest pressure ratings. Brisbane won a flag with lower pressure ratings as with all averages take them with a inch of salt.

 

[lily of laguna]

Spreadsheets and * go hand in hand.

With their list management and recruiting track record it seems Wallis also lost those as well!!!


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[Garters]

I treat TDK as an extra midfielder so happy to pay midfielder money

40% more than Cripps / Walsh? Hmm not sure about ruck v mid classification. Would rather the draft or balance sheet capital.

Wouldn't pay Gawn that money, and TDK along way off that sort of sustained performance.

Not that I believe the veracity of numbers being thrown around. He stays on a sensible deal is my call.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

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Sydney made a GF with the 3rd lowest average pressure ratings Collingwood didnt make finals with the highest pressure ratings. Brisbane won a flag with lower pressure ratings as with all averages take them with an inch of salt.

What is this?
Pressure ratings aren’t counted anything like this.

 

[Red Bull]

If the offer comes and TDK blinks, then we bank the money and use it for our own free agent. I have a feeling Hudson O'Keeffe is coming fast.

Agreed we can’t be matching the figures being bandied around for TDK.
Irresponsible list management for a ruckman and Silvagni would be well suited to a St.Kilda polo should it come to pass.
But if he is a premiership player at the end of this season, the compensation for losing him would hurt … like Lance Franklin kinda hurt !!
O’Keefe reportedly a promising prospect on the rise and of course, we’d have the money set aside for TDK to make other clubs nervous.
Who do we think the Saints best young player might be …

NWM OOC at the end of this season.
Perhaps we should have a preliminary chat with his manager in preparation for possible developments this season.
TDK compo would get the ball rolling on things anyway …

 

[Benaly28]

Jagga was in the top handful of players in the match sim last Friday and he’s a first year player.

No doubt in my mind he’s gonna make it, good to hear the club see it the same way. Thanks X for the info

I don’t think a club trades out future picks to upgrade to a top 3 pick if that player wasn’t going to be something special.I think we may just have that.


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[Red_man2008]

I don’t think a club trades out future picks to upgrade to a top 3 pick if that player wasn’t going to be something special.I think we may just have that.


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Goes to show how much SOS ****ed us picking Dow.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Great that JSOS is going great guns, ditto young Smith (agree he'll play most games this yeAR).

But to me the two most important cogs (TDK aside perhaps) are Cerra and Walsh.

Get those two fit and firing and we'll dominate this season.

As simple as that really.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

40% more than Cripps / Walsh? Hmm not sure about ruck v mid classification. Would rather the draft or balance sheet capital.

Wouldn't pay Gawn that money, and TDK along way off that sort of sustained performance.

Not that I believe the veracity of numbers being thrown around. He stays on a sensible deal is my call.

Job at Visy 0.5 hours a day after training, 4 days a week...

$650k.

 

[Coona Blues]

Job at Visy 0.5 hours a day after training, 4 days a week...

$650k.

Once upon a time I would have frowned on that comment. The Geelong land rorts lead me to welcome any initiatives “topping up” our player packages. If it is good for the goose, it is good for the gander… ( Makes a mockery of our brown paper bag penalties)

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Once upon a time I would have frowned on that comment. The Geelong land rorts lead me to welcome any initiatives “topping up” our player packages. If it is good for the goose, it is good for the gander… ( Makes a mockery of our brown paper bag penalties)

exactly.