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[macky99]

Not really true. They do probably just as much as anyone else.

Melbourne brought in Lever & May in on big money from other clubs, won a flag. Richmond targeted Tom Lynch on big money and despite already have Riewoldt. Sydney brought in Tippett (at the time was an expensive inclusion) and Buddy.
Hawthorn brought in many players, Brian Lake was huge, Tom Mitchell (past their prem years but still the same group). Brisbane brough in Neale & Daniher in particular on big money at the time.

Successful clubs spend big money on acquisitions too.

Major difference in the $ being mentioned with TDK compared to any of those names or anything in recent years.

 

[Coops93]

Major difference in the $ being mentioned with TDK compared to any of those names or anything in recent years.

There's also a big difference in the salary cap these days to back then. Percentage of cap wise now it would be in the same ballpark as a few of them.

 

[macky99]

There's also a big difference in the salary cap these days to back then. Percentage of cap wise now it would be in the same ballpark as a few of them.

If TDK is valved at $1.7m, the top 5-10 players eg Daicos etc would be significantly more, grossly overvalued if factional numbers for TDK.

 

[Sam The Doc]

If TDK is valved at $1.7m, the top 5-10 players eg Daicos etc would be significantly more, grossly overvalued if factional numbers for TDK.

Would be interesting how a culture deals with that kind of addition to the side too... ie the guys like Owens, Wanganeen Milera and Sinclair expecting they should be getting closer to that mark..

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If LDU can get $1.3mil to stay then to get someone in like TDK for free isn’t all that bad.

I imagine St Kilda just have more cap space then they can spend and are struggling to find any other targets so instead of overpaying two B graders they are going after 1 A grader plus they don’t have to trade.
Also if they can front end the contract then his wage will be much lower in say the last 4 seasons when the TPP increases so he will get a lower % increase then had it been averaged out so they could make back abit of money that way also.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If TDK is valved at $1.7m, the top 5-10 players eg Daicos etc would be significantly more, grossly overvalued if factional numbers for TDK.

Daicos would be getting offers of $2mil if he was a FA

 

[Michael Jezz]

Brett would be an ideal ex-player to ask about the CFC networking opportunities.

Read the article in the age about richmond. Compare the humility, collaboration and connection between football department, board, past players and coterie between Richmond and Carlton

 

[SurreyBlue]

Read the article in the age about richmond. Compare the humility, collaboration and connection between football department, board, past players and coterie between Richmond and Carlton

Carlton has the biggest and vast business networking group in the AFL.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Daicos would be getting offers of $2mil if he was a FA

Imagine if he won the contested ball......

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Imagine if he won the contested ball......

Then he'd be Cody Walker...

 

[Coops93]

If TDK is valved at $1.7m, the top 5-10 players eg Daicos etc would be significantly more, grossly overvalued if factional numbers for TDK.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. He's the no.1 rated player in the comp in his position comfortably now and is the AA ruckman. It wouldn't be an overstatement to say that on form he could well be in the that top 10. At only 25 his best years are still to come, so if that's his level now with growth for improvement, then it's not necessarily a poor investment.

The inflation of player contracts makes this amount look obscene right now, but like I touched on, with the growth in salary cap it's still more or less the same relative to big contracts back 10 years ago. In 5 years time it'll seem like the norm for high end players - if not sooner, for the reason you gave. Daicos and other high-end players will well and truly be asking for the same and likely get it.

There was a time that even a $1m a year salary was seen as a gross overvaluation for any one player, now most teams have one if not more. By 2030 we will have multiple players on $2m a year.

 

[Juice030103]

Then he'd be Cody Walker...

Jagga*

 

[Michael Jezz]

Carlton has the biggest and vast business networking group in the AFL.

The difference is Richmond's network is integrated into onfield performance enabling the football vision. Carlton's network is more self serving. I suggest you read the article.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Zac Williams great example of overpaying for a overrated player that has caused challenges with our salary cap.

I agree, mainly because:
1) he's been injured so often
2) he hasn't come on as a midfielder

But overpaying him hasn't caused any obvious discontent in the existing playing list like you asserted, because players understand that's how free agency works.

 

[Gointocarlton]

I see The Chad has inked a new deal at Syd turning down massive overtures from the west. Take note Tom.

 

[Stamos]

I see The Chad has inked a new deal at Syd turning down massive overtures from the west. Take note Tom.

Same as TDK did 2 years ago

 

[Styxx]

Follow your heart bro.

 

[macky99]

Daicos would be getting offers of $2mil if he was a FA

I'm not sure that's entirely true. He's the no.1 rated player in the comp in his position comfortably now and is the AA ruckman. It wouldn't be an overstatement to say that on form he could well be in the that top 10. At only 25 his best years are still to come, so if that's his level now with growth for improvement, then it's not necessarily a poor investment.

The inflation of player contracts makes this amount look obscene right now, but like I touched on, with the growth in salary cap it's still more or less the same relative to big contracts back 10 years ago. In 5 years time it'll seem like the norm for high end players - if not sooner, for the reason you gave. Daicos and other high-end players will well and truly be asking for the same and likely get it.

There was a time that even a $1m a year salary was seen as a gross overvaluation for any one player, now most teams have one if not more. By 2030 we will have multiple players on $2m a year.

l have been a massive TDK fan but seriously Daicos at 22 already won a Copeland & All Australian 2nd in the Brown low big chance for this year.
TDK has not even finished top 5 in our best & fairest, Daicos is going to be one of the best in the current era, no comparison in terms of runs on the board.

 

[macky99]

I agree, mainly because:
1) he's been injured so often
2) he hasn't come on as a midfielder

But overpaying him hasn't caused any obvious discontent in the existing playing list like you asserted, because players understand that's how free agency works.

Never said anything about Williams causing any discontent in the Carlton playing group comment was around a example of overpaying a player to fill up cap space that was never at that level to justify that kind of investment.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'm not sure that's entirely true. He's the no.1 rated player in the comp in his position comfortably now and is the AA ruckman. It wouldn't be an overstatement to say that on form he could well be in the that top 10. At only 25 his best years are still to come, so if that's his level now with growth for improvement, then it's not necessarily a poor investment.

The inflation of player contracts makes this amount look obscene right now, but like I touched on, with the growth in salary cap it's still more or less the same relative to big contracts back 10 years ago. In 5 years time it'll seem like the norm for high end players - if not sooner, for the reason you gave. Daicos and other high-end players will well and truly be asking for the same and likely get it.

There was a time that even a $1m a year salary was seen as a gross overvaluation for any one player, now most teams have one if not more. By 2030 we will have multiple players on $2m a year.

That assumes that his new contract is specifically termed to NOT increase as the cap does. From what I understand, there were only one or two clubs whose contracts were set up that way, and I don't think St Kilda was one of them. Could well be that as the cap increases, TDKs new deal will also increase at the same rate.

 

[jj1978]

StKilda: “Tom what do you want? Dwarf? Schoolgirl?”

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

l have been a massive TDK fan but seriously Daicos at 22 already won a Copeland & All Australian 2nd in the Brown low big chance for this year.
TDK has not even finished top 5 in our best & fairest, Daicos is going to be one of the best in the current era, no comparison in terms of runs on the board.

They aren’t close but if they were both FA this season I’m sure offers would reflect that.

 

[RPCB]

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StKilda: “Tom what do you want? Dwarf? Schoolgirl?”

St Kilda = Tormund

TDK = Brienne

 

[Juddernaut08]

Never said anything about Williams causing any discontent in the Carlton playing group comment was around a example of overpaying a player to fill up cap space that was never at that level to justify that kind of investment.

I know - you said overpaying players causes discontentment in the previous post.

Williams example was to show there's an understanding that FAs are generally overpaid in order to teach you.

 

[ctwenty1]

I'm not sure that's entirely true. He's the no.1 rated player in the comp in his position comfortably now and is the AA ruckman. It wouldn't be an overstatement to say that on form he could well be in the that top 10. At only 25 his best years are still to come, so if that's his level now with growth for improvement, then it's not necessarily a poor investment.

The inflation of player contracts makes this amount look obscene right now, but like I touched on, with the growth in salary cap it's still more or less the same relative to big contracts back 10 years ago. In 5 years time it'll seem like the norm for high end players - if not sooner, for the reason you gave. Daicos and other high-end players will well and truly be asking for the same and likely get it.

There was a time that even a $1m a year salary was seen as a gross overvaluation for any one player, now most teams have one if not more. By 2030 we will have multiple players on $2m a year.

depends if the contract is tioed to TPP movements then that gap goes

And if it is front loaded, he may decide to leave half way through to chase more coin...