List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Sarcoidevo]

Correct - next year before they are out of contract........

Windy this year, because he is out of contract

Jesus, some of you are unbearable......

Some of the best news we've had in years was at the start of the week, and by the end of it some of you are actually creating things to piss and moan about......

Exactly ..... its insufferable .... just potting the club at any given chance

 

[Brains Trust66]

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Ok so those arms in the middle don’t make sense . There is either an extra arm or an extra hand . At first view the umpires arm appears to go through the leg of the player or maybe his arm belongs to the hand on the coaches leg ? I’m confused, has someone been wiped out of the photo ?

 

[PJays]

Given your posting history ... there is a very real chance you aren't even a Saints supporter

Exactly ..... its insufferable .... just potting the club at any given chance

This is just abysmal stuff.

I don't expect Rhodes scholars on an internet forum, and it is 12:30am on a Friday night but surely you can do better than this?

"Someone disagrees with my view on list management.... they must be a fake Saints fan. No one could possibly disagree with me! They're just potting the club. How DARE THEY!!!!"

Goodness me

 

[Sarcoidevo]

4.7 mill on an adjusted SC of 22.1 million (18.3 + 3.8). All contracts for the big money were front loaded saving 15% of Salary cap this year on those contracts.
King is only on 700k for the duration of his contract and may be less with performance triggers and KRA's. I am sure TDK is the same. Only guaranteed is NAZ on 2 million.
No contracts have any built in SC increases which are due in 2027, reason why we have so many contracted to then, but any over doesn't have any auto increases. Predicted to go up by to 21+million meaning 2.7 million to play with from 2027.
The $$$$ have been worked put brilliantly. Only spanner has been the NAZ breakout costing about a mill over 2 years.
Really no fears of a SC squeeze until at least 2028. Hopefully by then we are an entrenched finals 8 team and many successful teams have SC issues because there players get better.
Who knows, NAZ may leave and that automatically relieves 10% plus of the cap

Nice take JB .... sounds more on point than some other simpleton posts on the subject

 

[saintbill]

Max King is still our biggest recruit next year. We will go only so far as his dodgy knee takes us.

Fmd, please don't pin all our hope on a bloke that has kicked 160 goals entering his 8th year on an AFL list next year.

We are far better than that. King or not we should be a lot better next year.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

This is just abysmal stuff.

I don't expect Rhodes scholars on an internet forum, and it is 12:30am on a Friday night but surely you can do better than this?

"Someone disagrees with my view on list management.... they must be a fake Saints fan. No one could possibly disagree with me! They're just potting the club. How DARE THEY!!!!"

Goodness me

Hey sorry if I have an opinion about your neverending complaining about the club and internal knowledge you clearly have no idea about

You have no idea about the club's dealings and in-house list management

You whinge about stuff without having a real clue .... bleating for the sake of bleating

 

[Plugger35]

Isn't it sickening seeing Collingwood chairing Timmy off on his 200th

Yeah it was sickening but with his bogan sleeve tattoo he was always destined to play for Collingwood.

 

[PJays]

4.7 mill on an adjusted SC of 22.1 million (18.3 + 3.8).

The max any team can pay in 2026 is about $19.2mil

It doesn't matter how much you've banked from the past, you can only pay 105% in any given year.

Presumably St Kildas paying about 16.9 this year. 95% of 17.8.

It's only an additional $2.3m for next year.

Predicted to go up by to 21+million meaning 2.7 million to play with from 2027.

Where did you hear this?

Its 18.44m in 27. Why would it go from there to 21m?

There was a big jump from 24 to 25 but that was because the TV rights started in 25.

There won't be another jump in TV rights until 2032 (if it jumps at all).

 

[PJays]

You have no idea about the club's dealings and in-house list management

You whinge about stuff without having a real clue .... bleating for the sake of bleating

You just liked and praised someone else's post where they overestimated the potential 2026 spend by millions!

None of us knows the inner workings of the club, but you aren't even across publicly available information from the CBA.

How about you get across some basic information before accusing others of having no idea.

 

[PJays]

Here's the AFL CBA

CBA

Find out more about The Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) and what this means for players.

www.aflplayers.com.au

 

[Sarcoidevo]

You just liked and praised someone else's post where they overestimated the potential 2026 spend by millions!

None of us knows the inner workings of the club, but you aren't even across publicly available information from the CBA.

How about you get across some basic information before accusing others of having no idea.

You have no idea .... the majority of us on here have zero idea of on our internal list management and the nuances of each player's contract .... your go to is basic clickbait Media takes which have proven to be wrong in the past

 

[Joffaboy]

What facts are u showing?

Tending to believe other posters over u

Given your posting history ... there is a very real chance you aren't even a Saints supporter

Just put the troll on ignore. Kent arseh*le calling people peadilophiles on here. Don't know ow why the mods don't card the f-wit

 

[PJays]

Just put the troll on ignore. Kent arseh*le calling people peadilophiles on here. Don't know ow why the mods don't card the f-wit

I never called anyone on here a pedo - stop making stuff up.

You had a crack at some poor poster because of his username

I don't usually play the man, but given insult came from someone with an unfortunate name themselves, I returned fire

Heres a thought.

How about you focus on understanding the salary cap better, instead of asking for other users to get thrown out?!

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Here's the AFL CBA

CBA

Find out more about The Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) and what this means for players.

www.aflplayers.com.au

Wow awesome ..... now can you post the full contract details of all of our players along with the Club's future list management plans

Cheers

 

[Sarcoidevo]

I never called anyone on here a pedo - stop making stuff up.

You had a crack at some poor poster because of his username

I don't usually play the man, but given insult came from someone with an unfortunate name themselves, I returned fire

Heres a thought.

How about you focus on understanding the salary cap better, instead of asking for other users to get thrown out?!

How about you stop potting the club at any given chance without any internal club list management knowledge

 

[thekizzler]

This is just abysmal stuff.

I don't expect Rhodes scholars on an internet forum, and it is 12:30am on a Friday night but surely you can do better than this?

"Someone disagrees with my view on list management.... they must be a fake Saints fan. No one could possibly disagree with me! They're just potting the club. How DARE THEY!!!!"

Goodness me

Thanks for entertaining me again, brother

I appreciate you.

 

[PJays]

Wow awesome ..... now can you post the full contract details of all of our players along with the Club's future list management plans

Cheers

So because I don't have full knowledge of our player contracts, I'm not allowed to criticise a new contract.

Meanwhile you don't have full knowledge of our contracts, but you're allowed to praise a new contract.

Right. Gotcha!

 

[Sarcoidevo]

So because I don't have full knowledge of our player contracts, I'm not allowed to criticise a new contract.

Meanwhile you don't have full knowledge of our contracts, but you're allowed to praise a new contract.

Right. Gotcha!

You have no internal knowledge except some very basic media info some of which is guestimate at best

Yet you embrace this basic knowledge as if it is absolute in its truth and use it to bag the club ... ad nausem

 

[Sarcoidevo]

So because I don't have full knowledge of our player contracts, I'm not allowed to criticise a new contract.

Why criticise something if you dont have full understanding / knowledge of what you are being critical about?

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Meanwhile you don't have full knowledge of our contracts, but you're allowed to praise a new contract.

Meanwhile I havent praised or condemned .... for that matter .... any contract given I have no clue about the exact in and outs of the contracts at hand

Am happy though to trust SOS & Gubby given they have experience in the list management field

FInd it interesting that some are happy to bag SOS whilst ignoring the fact that a Carlton list he helped put together were a kick or so away from making a GF... hopefully he takes those learnings and can have this Saints team take it a few steps further

Anyway can you tell me more about the TDK contract?

 

[Sully111]

If Windy thinks he is as good as Nas well that’s where the problem lies

I highly doubt that's the case.

Doubt he's asking for 2 mil a season.

 

[Munga]

It sucks not having a home game in the final round. Not every year we get to send off a club stalwart.

 

[The Boar]

We will be asking for a first round pick at that price

If so- on trade to GCS for Flanders.
Out: Windhager
In: Flanders

"That's a yes from me dawg"

 

[Saints43]

It'll be more than $4.7m next year cos TDK will earn more than 1.7m given front loading.

I'm not worried about next year. St Kilda has banked carry forward excess spend.

I'm worried about 2028, 2029.

The current 2023-2027 CBA was only signed in September 2023. It factored in the first few years of the 2025-2031 TV rights deal which was signed in 2022.

No one knows what the next CBA will look like, but there's no reason to assume massive increases, given the current CBA already accounts for the same TV deal.

And if there aren't massive increases, TDK needs to become one of the top players in the AFL (AA level) otherwise he's being overpaid. And having overpaid players is the opposite of what you need to succeed in a hard cap environment.

That's just the reality of the situation. Like it or not.

Let's all hope TDK becomes a star, otherwise this is trouble for St Kilda.

Do you know if any of TDKs reported wage will contain contributions from the marketing fund or is all of it directly from the cap?

 

[BrutThough]

So is NAS on 2 mill yep
Is TDK on 1.6 mill to 1.7 mill yep
King reported last year to be on 1 mill a yr over 7 years
Pretty close to 4.7 mill in 2026
Add in aleer reported 800k

Tim Watson stated after a phone call from the club that Aleer is on 600k plus incentives (that could get it to 750k if he reached them all)