List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[jwikked]

We will see in 3 or 4 years. It's either extraordinarily ballsy and a calculated gamble or irresponsible gambling with our future after a very disciplined early stage of the build.

Having Nas to work off gives us a champion to build around. That is the cornerstone of the side and he inherited that. Our list is in pretty good shape and only results show how good.

If it doesn’t work out, it’s no different to the last 15 years.

They’re trying something different, I like that. I’m easy to please in the off season, though

 

[beside the seaside]

Suddenly our backline depth looks very good. Boys will need to get moving this pre-season if they want to get in the side. Exciting times.

 

[gringo2011]

It’s been noticeable at every presser Ross has done since he returned. He controls the narrative.

We've also generated a huge amount of content for them in 2025. For a side with very little on field success this year we've made a lot of noise and started debate rolling.

 

[PandaG]

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“Make them an offer they can’t refuse”

Easily one of the best things I have seen

 

[XhazzafootyX]

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Jake Niall is an ugly campaigner

 

[Remboy]

So TDK’s not much taller than Ryan?

Better keep Ro then

Either that or Ryan is the tallest small forward of all time.

 

[goodie23]

Suddenly our backline depth looks very good. Boys will need to get moving this pre-season if they want to get in the side. Exciting times.

I'd still refer to it as quite good, Doogs is still our only defender close to 2m. Caminiti is 196, Barret, JSOS and Aleer 194, Viking 193, Wilkie 191. Feel the missing piece is another 2mish defender who can trouble a King type - a la Taylor/Moore/SDK/Andrews.

 

[sauce_head]

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Such a punchable face

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Posted this in January 2006

Some wonder why I hate Carlton's very existence.

Still rings true today about Carlton. Two decades later and they are just the same. Enjoy

Joffaboy said:
Correct just ask Pagan. he won a massive contract of $850k a season from Carlton to take them to a wooden spoon.

As for cheap shots. You haven't got a clue n00b. You have been around five minutes and get all uppity when a Saints fan has a go at Carlton.

Well lemming let me fill you in. For years you and your ilk arrogantly and smugly agreed with every disparaging insult your club in the guise of Elliott and co spouted about other clubs including the Saints.


"Let them rot" - was the quote atttributed to Collins in 1984 when the Saints were almost insolvent and could only pay their creditors 20c in the dollar. Greats who were loyal like Trevor Barker went to his grave never being paid what he was owed, all for the love of his football team. But we have this arrogant slime enncouraging the then VFL to give the Saints no help and effectively let them fold.

"Who would go to that rabble" were the words of Elliott in 1998 when the Saints were looking at Brittian to coach the Saints. All the arrogant Carlton fans chuckled. Yup what a rabble, look at their finances, look at their wooden spoons.

2001 - Hamill, humiliated and forced out of Carlton by Elliott, who "will hang him out to dry". Even though it was the Carlton admin that sunk the boots into Hamill, Carlton supporters from that moment have disparaged Hamill and called him a traitor (even though they welcolme traitors like Stevens into the fold). Nothing wrong with not liking an ex player but the hatred was taken to idiotic extremes, all because he left Carlton.

2001-2002. All we got from Carlton was. St.Kilda are again embracing mediocrity, all the PP's all the No.1 draft picks blah blah blah. Carlton dont rebuild blah blah blah. Carlton have pride, St.Kilda have none etc.....

2002 - The biggie. First Carlton win their first wooden spoon. personally for me nothing to cheer about, I really couldn't have cared except for the fact that all the arrogance and high horsed big noting done over the years by Collins, Elliott and co, wholeheartedly backed up by the Carlton supporters (who kept voting Elliott in). The Carlton supporters deserved what they got.

But the big news was that Carlton had been caught cheating again. This time the league threw the book at them. So in light of losing their PP and N0.1 DP Goddard goes to the Saints and Wells to North.

The hue and cry from Carlton supporters was amazing. First denying they cheated then railing against St.Kilda because Goddard was once a Carlton supporter. This led to an effort to bombard Goddard with emails to get him to come "home".

Then we have the insults and disparaging posts about how "supercoach" Pagan was going to take you up the ladder and how Grant Thomas couldn't coach. When asked for examples since that time, not one has been forthcoming. When asked for a head to head while Pagan has been at Carlton, the lemmings go mute. Not one fact to back up their insults, just another cheap shot at St.Kilda

So what do we have. Carlton arrogance and schadenfreude at the plight of others and then insults and dismissive arrogance about St.Kilda's chances, here is a list

1) St.Kilda was "given" their current list
2)St.Kilda wil lose all of their players to other clubs
3) St.Kilda "stole" Hamill and Goddard
4) Grant Thomas is absolute crap but Pagan is a supercoach
5) Carlton never cheated and the AFL are out to get us and favour St.Kilda
6) Its football socialism, and AFL have wrecked football by given everyone a chance.

All of the above in various forms from Carlton supporters over the years.

But then what do we get in 2005? Carlton are a financial rabble. And who is in charge? The "Let them Rot" person himself in Collins. Funny now it is different when the boot is on the other foot isn't it?

I enjoy Carltons plight, not because i want to see them "Rot" as Collins would callously put it, but because arrogant Carlton supporters who basked in the reflected glory and bullying of Collins and Elliott et al are getting their comeuppance and are getting a lesson in humility and how to be humble.

And the final irony of this whole sorry saga. Carlton fans wanted their team to TANK, that's right actually wanting their team to lose games so they can get better draft picks. Thats correct, you heard me clearly, that self same socialist system that has supposedly brought Carlton's dominance to its end, along with that dastardly AFL's connivance, has been embraced, has been lauded. And Carlton supporters wanted their team to throw games to effectively compromise it

All through the insults, the questioning of the Saints integrity, culture, history, all the barbs at the "free ride" we were supposedly give, all the dismissive eyerolling and hand waving and arrogance toward our "gifted list", did I ever, ever hear that St.Kilda didn't try. I heard pathetic, culture, rabble, 26 wooden spoons, 1 premiership etc, but never did I read that the Saints turned it up.

Never did I read a Saints supporter wanting the Saints to lose. On the contrary, if Wolf had not hit the post against Sydney in 2002, or we tried so hard at Optus Oval against Freo in 2002 who were on track for the finals, we could have drafted both Goddard and Wells.

For years Carlton lemmings like you have questioned St.Kilda's character, integrity, worth, and culture and then, when it finally dawns on Carlton fans that they are in the 21st century not the 20th where rich benefactors will buy players and therefore flags, what do they do? Do they suck it up and show some integrity, some character, some intestinal fortitude, the self same virtues they accuse others of not having? No, they Want their team to lose as a perceived way of an easy climb up the ladder.

And you have the temerity to reckon a couple of St.Kilda fans have constant cheap shots:

Fair dinkum, from the crap we have had to endure at your clubs hands over the years and the rampant hypocrisy of its thin skinned supporters, I reckon you have a flaming hide.

No bugger off n00b, have an idea before you begin your petty harping.

And 19 years later still correct

What is next week's powerball numbers

 

[sauce_head]

None of these so called journos is willing to look at the overall picture of the ongoing suppression that makes it systematically harder for us. Sure we are not the only ones, and have contributed at times, but when you are denied matchday revenue by deliberate and admitted favouritism of big clubs (maximising TV rights) and denied the ability to draft best available when you are finishing in the lower positions by both academies and father son picks, you don’t have access to as much money or as many picks! So you HAVE to get it right more often than those who ARE afforded those advantages.

Then, to the extent part of the money is addressed via equalisation payments, although of course not in any way to make up for the historic and ongoing deliberate inequality, the media bang you over the head with the extent of those payments and the lemmings that read it join in and say “it’s all your / our own fault”.

Thank fu k we finally have senior members of the club who are calling out this shit and doing something about it.

Now we go aggressively to the trade table and they complain again. They want to keep us down and are afraid of the change we are bringing, because their cushy little jobs and revenue streams rely on the status quo.

They are the taxi drivers of the uber era.

Go saints!

 

[SainterinSydney]

With all these new Carlton players, our new song has dropped:

We are the mighty Saints! We are the olllddd timeee mighty Saints! We're the team that never let's you down! We're the only team from Moooooorabbinnnnn town! Weeeee areeeee theeeeee Championsssss!

 

[Flandersss]

Silvagni Wilkie Tauru

Travaglia Aleer Sinclair

Hill NWM Wilson

Ryan Marshall* Hall

Higgins King Sharman

TDK Phillipou Garcia

Windhager Owens Henry Steele* Macrae

*Keeler for Marshall if he leaves
*Boxshall for Steele if he leaves
*Hastie for Travaglia if not ready

 

[austinnn]

Where’s that picture of Saints new away jersey. A Saints jersey with a Carlton insignia on the white strip?

Hopefully in the bin where it belongs

 

[DougalHoward]

With all these new Carlton players, our new song has dropped:

We are the mighty Saints! We are the olllddd timeee mighty Saints! We're the team that never let's you down! We're the only team from Moooooorabbinnnnn town! Weeeee areeeee theeeeee Championsssss!

 

[DougalHoward]

Jake Niall is an ugly campaigner

He's also bald

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

For the life of me, I cannot see how Aleer fits in our best defence.

Wilkie and JSOS definitely play, with one being more accountable, and one being more of an intercept marker. For our gorilla defender who plays on the more traditional forwards, I would have thought that we'd be playing either Howard or Caminiti. And if we want to add another tall who floats and punches as the 3rd man up, which is Aleer's strength, then suely you are bringing in Tauru, who has a much higher ceiling.

Unless we really don't think Caminiti and Howard are up to it, and we see Tauru as being able to take their role, and we also want to play 4 tall defenders, I don't see the space for Aleer outside of injuries

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Nice thoughts. It's also nice for a smaller club get the drop on a powerhouse for a change, but don't let it fool you. Like TDK he came for the $$$ and years. But that's ok, we know the lay of the land and this reality had been coming for years.
Collingwood, Hawks, Geelong etc have the advantage of being successful and can attract players for less money, however the only way to become successful is to attract players, and then some may come to the club BECAUSE it is successful.
Anyway good luck in the finals. I am not a Collingwood hater and prefer you lot win than others.

You're not a Collingwood fc hater.
What a terrible thing to say.

 

[snails13]

Hunter Clark is signed until the end of 2027, chief.

Your whipping boy is going nowhere.

Every good team needs versatile soldiers on not much money.

Clark fits that bill as a midfielder and as a flanker.

If he ends up not getting selected at points over the next two years, then we are in excellent shape.

Only Byrne's won't have a contract

 

[Jayman15]

Saints’ $4m investment rolls on — but is it good enough play finals? H/S article 3/9​

https://archive.vn/aeig9

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

For the life of me, I cannot see how Aleer fits in our best defence.

Wilkie and JSOS definitely play, with one being more accountable, and one being more of an intercept marker. For our gorilla defender who plays on the more traditional forwards, I would have thought that we'd be playing either Howard or Caminiti. And if we want to add another tall who floats and punches as the 3rd man up, which is Aleer's strength, then suely you are bringing in Tauru, who has a much higher ceiling.

Unless we really don't think Caminiti and Howard are up to it, and we see Tauru as being able to take their role, and we also want to play 4 tall defenders, I don't see the space for Aleer outside of injuries

I think alot of us hope that Tauru plays CHF sooner rather than later.

 

[austinnn]

**** listening to Andy Maher is hard work. He’s your typical small club basher, hoping the saints stay down so they don’t outgrow his incompetent club.

Got some bad news, Andy

 

[Leap of Faith]

Hopefully in the bin where it belongs

Exactly. That was total blasphemy. Don't need to see that again.

 

[Leap of Faith]

You're not a Collingwood fc hater.
What a terrible thing to say.

I'm not either. Wouldn't mind to see them winning it of those left in the finals. Am hoping for Adelaide though. Have a soft spot for 'em. Certainly not the Cats, Dawks or franchise mobs.

 

[LuckyBounce!]

I look forward to seeing what all the doomsayers in the media like Purple and Cornes say, after we land Ryan and Aleer too and we still hold our first round draft pick. Especially if we retain Windy and Roma.

Korne has actually been complimentary of what we are doing but that is only to build us up so he can tear us down if it doesn’t work

 

[Parkysp]

I think alot of us hope that Tauru plays CHF sooner rather than later.

Yep. I'm one of the "us".