List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Sully111]

 

[SainterinSydney]

Can someone send Bevo Steven May’s phone number? Then he can call a KPD who is available to have a chat to. Instead of trying to pull off Hail Mary calls on Cal Wilkie

Send him Cordy's number at same time.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Grant said done deal ,but missed the deadline to fax paperwork

We should keep this fax manoeuvre up our sleeve should any stars ever ask for a trade that we don't want to leave.

 

[Joffaboy]

This is assuming the club decides to trade.....

If the club decides to trade, according to Lyon and others like Bassatt we are a club that will not get walked over anymore.
That means if we decide to trade it is totally and completely in our favour.

Regardless of what Wilkie might want, he signed a 4 year deal with 2 years to go. Lyon was prepared to walk NAZ to the PSD and send him to WC. What do you think they will do with a required contracted player. Even if Wilkie made it Merrett like untenable, I could see the club holding him.
Unless we end up with something like SKD, Naughton, Flanders and a top 10 pick for Wilks and Marshall, it wont happen.

 

[Armoooo]

You said your missus had been kicked out of that chat.

She did

 

[snails13]

The trade is predicated on Wilkie basically saying he's disgruntled and wants to leave; that's the context.

Richards is an AA mid, three years younger and contracted until 2030 (which seems to matter in trades). Our future first should rightly be given less value because it will be pick 18 anyway and compromised to hell from there.

Belittle it if you like but assuming Wilkie asks for a trade and nominates Dogs - that's probably the kind of deal that gets done, clubs in this situation always have to take unders on whatever a 'fair' deal might look like.

No they dont

 

[True Believer]

This isn’t quite right. Most people can walk away from a job, sure, but AFL players are in a very closed, tightly regulated competition. And it’s not like they’re the only ones with limits, plenty of professions have enforceable restraints. Doctors often can’t practice within a certain radius after leaving a clinic, lawyers deal with conflict of interest restrictions, IT consultants are barred from taking clients to competitors. The AFL isn’t some weird outlier, the same principle applies wherever an employer has invested heavily in training, branding, or customer relationships.


And the idea that restraints are “virtually always unenforceable” is oversimplifying it. Under Australian law, restraints are presumed void, but they can and do get enforced if they’re reasonable and protect a legitimate business interest, things like confidential info, client connections, goodwill or specialist training.

But the way most non-compete clauses are routinely dropped into employment contracts is a waste of paper.........

 

[nikkig98]

Don't forget when Ross said on Footy Classified that Cal had called him up earlier in the same evening to say he loved the club - RtB clearly making that up too so the rot goes even deeper.

Breaking: Live Footage of TheNewEnsign whilst typing this out

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Can someone send Bevo Steven May’s phone number?

Think he’s now got hold of him

 

[NextYearPlease]

% our kids are the best we have had for sometime.

My point re Tauru is generally key talls take time, I think its unrealistic for supporters to expect Alix to have a consistent impact as early as next year. Nas is an outside flanker/mid and he has taken 4 years to reach his best. Mitch Owens as a example in his first year he looked like the next Stewart Leowe, this year at times he was lucky to hold his spot in the side.

Unless young players are well developed midfielders eg Boxshall kids take time.

Nas has reached his best???

 

[St Neil]

I see zero futures that the dogs trade Naughton this offseason.

They are going to purely go down the pick route or offer junk like Khamis

If the Bulldogs are serious then I can’t believe they would do this.

If the Bulldogs are going to the trouble of calling Wilkie, offering him big money with the lure of a higher offer to come, then presumably they have gamed a scenario that realistically gives them a chance of getting this done.

That would be a difficult conclusion for them to come to but it is where they are right now.

It would be a massive waste of time and humiliating for their reputation as a serious football club if they are hoping to get a deal done with scraps.

The industry would laugh at them.

 

[austinnn]

really mate?

Smells like total bullshit

 

[stavro#4]

If the Bulldogs are serious then I can’t believe they would do this.

If the Bulldogs are going to the trouble of calling Wilkie, offering him big money with the lure of a higher offer to come, then presumably they have gamed a scenario that realistically gives them a chance of getting this done.

That would be a difficult conclusion for them to come to but it is where they are right now.

It would be a massive waste of time and humiliating for their reputation as a serious football club if they are hoping to get a deal done with scraps.

The industry would laugh at them.

I reckon they genuinely throw picks and crap at us.

There would be little of value.

 

[stavro#4]

Smells like total bullshit

Of course it is

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

In Bulldogs list management thread

'Wilkie is a pipe dream, won't happen, sorry to burst your bubble folks'

Author- 'Pencil Case'

 

[stavro#4]

Omg, the irony of this thread.

1 1/2 pages of trying to take the piss out of us.

Opposition Supporters say the darndest things.

"Nicks is a pathetic spineless coward of a coach. A loser. A fraud. A tactically inept moron. A boring uninspiring speaker. A bed wetter and pant shitter. A failure. A historic embarassment to the club He does not have it and never will. Get rid of him." So, they're taking it well over on the...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Sainter62]

If the club decides to trade, according to Lyon and others like Bassatt we are a club that will not get walked over anymore.
That means if we decide to trade it is totally and completely in our favour.

Regardless of what Wilkie might want, he signed a 4 year deal with 2 years to go. Lyon was prepared to walk NAZ to the PSD and send him to WC. What do you think they will do with a required contracted player. Even if Wilkie made it Merrett like untenable, I could see the club holding him.
Unless we end up with something like SKD, Naughton, Flanders and a top 10 pick for Wilks and Marshall, it wont happen.

And that is never going to happen so Bevo is wasting his time and energy

 

[nikkig98]

Fun fact, I live less than 3km away from Cal Wilkie's Agent's Office, more than happy to swing past and have a chat with old mate about his business practices

 

[Armoooo]

Fun fact, I live less than 3km away from Cal Wilkie's Agent's Office, more than happy to swing past and have a chat with old mate about his business practices

Tell him to pass on to his missus that I said sorry

 

[Saintos The ITK]

The overlay to a lot of player movements in the last ~ten years (or maybe, underlay is a better term) and why clubs facilitate player's requests is the AFL is (rightly) very worried that a player will go nuclear and bring a restraint of trade action against the club / AFL; they may well win and it would break the current system apart.

Pretty much every person on this board who is employed has the option of going to their employer tomorrow and resigning, and then can choose a new employer in the same field (and don't bring up supposed restrain of trade clauses in normal contracts, they are virtually always unenforceable except in niche circumstances). It is very unusual that AFL players cannot do that, the clubs understand that and that's why almost always a deal gets done if a player truly wants out.

The afl pay the wages. The clubs are basically “departments” of the afl.
They could put the foot down and say mate you’re no longer required in this dept we need you more over here. I think if they wanted to they could move anyone where they wanted if it’s in the same town.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Wilkie is the Dog's version of Heeney and Jelly Kelly

 

[St Neil]

I reckon they genuinely throw picks and crap at us.

There would be little of value.

If you’re right then they are not a serious football club.

End of story.

 

[stavro#4]

Wilkie is the Dog's version of Heeney and Jelly Kelly

Dogs supporters are the shelby villians

 

[mighty_sainters]

Wilkie + our F1 for Richards; that's pretty much the only deal I would offer (EDIT: and only if Cal asks for a trade - no way I'd offer him up without a trade request).

I understand this would be outrageous to Dogs fans but they are talking north of $1.1m p.a. over four seasons for our contracted VC, All-Australian and current B&F holder.

He's not an RFA next year so there's no consideration about 'do we deal now while we can still negotiate?', we can hold Cal til end of 2027 and a lot could change by then. There's just no reason for us to take a scrappy pack of picks in poor drafts.

If they want us to help solve their biggest list hole they can help solve our biggest one in return.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Freijah + Croft + F1 is a realistic and not terrible haul I think

Then on-trade one of our F1s for Flanders?

Cheech and Chong going on here