List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[bladeyy21]

Where's this Sam Flanders talk coming from? That genuinely excites me more than TDK, Aleer and Ryan combined. Flanders would be perfect for our midfield. The guy is an absolute jet. I'd give our first rounder up for him in a heartbeat

 

[austinnn]

If we pay Aleer, Ryan and JSOS 800k but baulk at meeting Windy's terms, SOS gets a vote of no confidence from me.

Marcus is home grown, part of the group, much more than a role-player, he is a leader and it is absolute madness to haggle while we're trying to get all these other good but but great players through the door. I would even rather Windy than TDK. His stats aren't flash, he does turn a few over, but that boy is the glue in so much of our better play. He is genuine 360° two-way player He must be retained and if that costs us a Cam McKenzie or Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

type I'm absolutely fine with that.

If Windy signs, then they can bring back Andrew Lovett for all i care, but get our number 2 done now!

If he doesnt this will be another Luke Ball moment for us.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

looked amazing those last 2 games…… get it done . Right after JSOS. Then that’s enough, that’s enough Carlton.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

The Windy fretting takes me a month back to the NAS fretting

Everyone needs to cool their jets ...... breathe ..... and relax

 

[SG34]

How much would Geelong gain by replacing Rhyce Stanley with Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

?

(Bait warning acknowledged.)

But there IS a serious element to my question

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

The Windy fretting takes me a month back to the NAS fretting

Everyone needs to cool their jets ...... breathe ..... and relax

Windy is gone, 5 year contract with Nth.Melb. yesterday's news

 

[wannabewinner]

Can saints not get Aleer?

It’s like recruiting a new whipping boy.

 

[sammm]

How much would Geelong gain by replacing Rhyce Stanley with Rowan Marshall?

(Bait warning acknowledged.)

But there IS a serious element to my question

Not much. But if Stanley retires then they need a replacement

 

[sammm]

Windy is gone, 5 year contract with Nth.Melb. yesterday's news

I would give Windy 5 years

 

[jwikked]

Can saints not get Aleer?

It’s like recruiting a new whipping boy.

Was just thinking that I don’t really have one anymore, after we got rid of Gresham and Billings. Hill is the closest thing at the moment.

Still, not a good enough reason to bring him in

 

[Munga]

Morris getting his info from Bigfooty lol

We have to feed the chooks

 

[jwikked]

Morris getting his info from Bigfooty lol

Jack Silvagni stuff started on Twitter

 

[austinnn]

Angus McLennan DELISTED -> TDK
Arie Schoenmaker ?
Dougal Howard

20

Dougal Howard

Age

29

Ht

199cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

176.2

3star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

0.6

1star

MG

171.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.8

3star

EXTENDED
Harry Boyd DELISTED -> 1RDP
Isaac Keeler EXTENDED
Jack Carroll (UFA) ?
Jimmy Webster

29

Jimmy Webster

Age

32

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

288.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

(UFA) RETIRED -> Fincher
Liam O'Connell EXTENDED
Liam Stocker

14

Liam Stocker

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

(UFA) EXTENDED
Marcus Windhager ?
Max Heath ?
Ryan Byrnes

13

Ryan Byrnes

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

MG

1.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

1.0

1star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

MG

1.0

1star

?
Zaine Cordy

21

Zaine Cordy

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

180.4

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.9

3star

MG

180.4

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

(UFA) DELISTED -> 4RDP
Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

?

I'm guessing we may know more this time tomorrow.

By the sounds of it we'll need a few more list spots freed up.

 

[Klaatu]

I know they’re positionally different.

But if we offer Aleer or JSos $600k+ and still don’t give it to Windy, we’re just going backwards.

At some point you have to focus on building the fabric and culture, not just bringing in mercenaries.

Mercenaries like Gehrig ,Hamill & Lawrence nice avatar.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Just need to find a way now to get next years no 1 draft pick and take Cody Walker ..... then mission accomplished

 

[BucketsandBanger]

JSOS would be pretty funny, we spend years building up the biggest war chest in football history for an elite midfielder just for SOS to vindictively splurge it on TDK and his son

 

[Rogue Warrior]

Any chance SOS is getting involved in the JSOS chase to pump up his sons contract and put pressure on other clubs caps ?

 

[marcus1232]

Screw it while we are at it.
Get Weitering done as well might as well rip the complete guts out of them

 

[gubby88]

Eddie Ford delisted. a few on here had some wraps for him if I remember correctly. wonder what Clarko didn't like about him?

 

[botts]

The Windy fretting takes me a month back to the NAS fretting

Everyone needs to cool their jets ...... breathe ..... and relax

Where is tony74

 

[beside the seaside]

Sam Walsh looked amazing those last 2 games…… get it done . Right after JSOS. Then that’s enough, that’s enough Carlton.

We won't be targeting a player that costs our first. Walsh would cost multiple first round picks. If he's leaving you wait until free agency next year, but he said he wants to stay so probably will sign and extension.

 

[phantom13]

How much would Geelong gain by replacing Rhyce Stanley with Rowan Marshall?

(Bait warning acknowledged.)

But there IS a serious element to my question

Roma is a massive, massive upgrade on Stanley and I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t think he can play ones at the saints next year.

Fierce competitor, great extra defender/intercept and a good field kick.

Geelong should be into him.

 

[BrutThough]

Windy's getting concerning.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Eddie Ford delisted. a few on here had some wraps for him if I remember correctly. wonder what Clarko didn't like about him?

 

[PJays]

Feels like we’re 80% through the build and instead of being patient and sitting through the last 20% we’re just going all gas no brakes

If we pay Aleer, Ryan and JSOS 800k but baulk at meeting Windy's terms, SOS gets a vote of no confidence from me.

I would even rather Windy than TDK.

Seems like people are starting to catch onto what's (probably) going on here.

Just to run through the numbers again:

- The maximum amount the Saints can possibly have banked to carry forward and pay above the cap is $3.1m excess to spend over the next 4 years.

- A max of just over $900k/year which would use up most within 3 years.

- We're paying Nas $2mil /year and reportedly TDK $1.8m early years then decreasing later in the contract.

- The cap itself only increases slightly in 2026 and 2027.

Given these circumstances, it makes sense we'd need to tighten the belt with some contract renegotiations.

We're already seeing the consequences of St Kilda's big cash splash on new players.