List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Sab22]

Lenny 2.0

Windy is if Lenny never reached his potential. Don't disrespect my #7 ever again.

 

[gringo2011]

Just found a weird coincidence after doing a tiny bit of 2019 draft research.

SOS actually traded pick 11 to Suns after Flanders slid out of the top 10. Trade was pick 11 (Flanders) & 60 (Farrar) for 17 (Kemp) & 21 (Philp).

Then a month later in December he quit Carlton. The Blues said it was due to a conflict of interest as his sons played there...

That trade looked good at the time. Kemp looked a gun and Philip was a fairly safe bet to be at least a GOP.

Flanders is a gun and Farrar looked pretty good early on as a mid sized defender. Looks like they've moved him forward. Probably doesn't make the cut after this year but at a different club probably would have been an okay player.

Kemp is a GOP with injury issues and Philip was a spud.

 

[True Believer]

From now on I shall only refer to AFL “journalist” Tom Morris by his full name. Thomas Morris. Got a real “Biggus Dickus” kind of vibe to it.

Steady on with the use of the word "journalist" there big fella......

 

[gringo2011]

Their coach is hopeless.

There is more going on than the coach. The boardroom is a cesspit full of snakes. Elite operators go there and fail. Vossy had them going okay at first but they eat each other down there. They work to bring each other down. It's been like that for years.

If they don't run a broom through the place it will never go anywhere. One thing about us is that we were a clean slate with people who wanted to do better but with no idea of how to do it.

It was easy to get everyone on the same page and working in one direction.

 

[Atomboy]

Yeah but what did SOS have for breakfast today

A cup of coffee.

Black and bitter.

 

[True Believer]

or we’ve been thinking about it wrong this whole time. Tony isn’t just one person, but something more, a cabal, a network… a feeling. Tell me honestly you haven’t felt tony inside of you these past few months. He’s been inside… all of us

There is very disconcerting Rolf Harris vibe to that statement.............

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

Just as a bit of an aside, but this trade period is going to be wild for pick trades. There will be like 8-10 academy or F/S picks in the first round, and then an additional 5-8 in the early second round. So clubs will be bringing in a lot of points, but will also look to move ahead of bids or out of the rounds of the draft entirely.

Gold Coast has three first rounders already, and 3 players likely to go in the first round, plus I think one in the second round, so will need to split some of their picks up, but will also look to get value and add to their 2026 hand

Brisbane have looks to have the points to match a bid at 5 onwards for Annables, and they'll probably get more points with Starcevich and Ah Chee going. Even so, if there's a bit 1 or 2 (and really, there should be) they might need more points.

Sydney currently have the points to match King, but will be sweating on whether or not he is bid on before their pick. You'd say probably not, but they may line up a way out of the draft so they can move their first rounder on draft night.

Carlton will have to move their first either in front of a Dean bid, or out to 2026, but with the uncertainty on whether or not they'll have the rights to Walker, who knows what they'll do. Safest bet would probably be to trade up with Richmond.

Essendon have a couple of seconds rounders that will be quite valuable, and could look package them up to move into the teens, but they've got two NGAs themselves, and will need to maintain points.

Collingwood will probably need a couple of points to match their NGA and F/S players, and we'll also need points to match Fincher. Funny thing with Fincher though, is our pick 43 could become a pick in the mid 30s when all is said and done, and may move in front of a Fincher bid.

On top of all of this movement, you've got band one compo picks for Allen and TDK. Probably band two for Draper and Worpel, Band 2/3 for Silvani, Ah Chee and Starcevich. Plus potentially West Coast getting priority picks.

It's going to be a wild, wild, pick swapping week, so most hypothetical trades that involve picks will be totally different come trade time.

 

[gringo2011]

I get the sense that Boris is the overall game plan consigliere and based on previous RTB comments re being more free with the assistants, he is likely given a pretty free hand on it.

There seems to be a bit in this. Ross seems more like part football boss more than a pure old school coach. Handles the media and the game day duties with more of handing off to his line coaches during the week. The old Ross would have been in everyones pocket making calls for them.

 

[stavro#4]

Herald Sun “exclusive”

Pou to recommit to saints

Went live 5 minutes ago

 

[gringo2011]

What do you think Cmac is if you believe we have enough half forwards

He's more a mid in waiting though. Hollands probably wing/ HF/HB more than a mid. Modern sides really only cary two specialist inside extractor mids these days with more and more run required. You can fit a lot more outside players on the field. HF and HB are extensions of the wings now. Even pockets are expected to move up with the play.

 

[stavro#4]

St Kilda is poised to secure the future of another of its top talents with Mattaes Phillipou on the verge of signing a contract extension through to 2028.

The new deal is set to override the final year of Phillipou’s existing contract in 2026, as the Saints also took a step towards securing out-of-contract midfielder Marcus Windhager with a revised four-year offer.

Phillipou, 20, was second-last out of the 18 first-round picks in the 2023 draft to recommit to his club when he signed a two-year deal in April last year, but will sign on earlier this time in a strong show of confidence in St Kilda after a personally frustrating season.

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

St Kilda is poised to secure the future of another of its top talents with Mattaes Phillipou on the verge of signing a contract extension through to 2028.

The new deal is set to override the final year of Phillipou’s existing contract in 2026, as the Saints also took a step towards securing out-of-contract midfielder Marcus Windhager with a revised four-year offer.

Phillipou, 20, was second-last out of the 18 first-round picks in the 2023 draft to recommit to his club when he signed a two-year deal in April last year, but will sign on earlier this time in a strong show of confidence in St Kilda after a personally frustrating season.

I wish we could have as many on-field wins as off-field ones damn

 

[stavro#4]

He's more a mid in waiting though. Hollands probably wing/ HF/HB more than a mid. Modern sides really only cary two specialist inside extractor mids these days with more and more run required. You can fit a lot more outside players on the field. HF and HB are extensions of the wings now. Even pockets are expected to move up with the play.

That’s future state.

He is 21. If you land him he needs to be brought along and developed. Which means across half forward with midfield time

 

[thekizzler]

I wish we could have as many on-field wins as off-field ones damn

Are you saying that I might see a premiership this year?

An.....off-field premiership? haha

 

[stfan]

St Kilda is poised to secure the future of another of its top talents with Mattaes Phillipou on the verge of signing a contract extension through to 2028.

The new deal is set to override the final year of Phillipou’s existing contract in 2026, as the Saints also took a step towards securing out-of-contract midfielder Marcus Windhager with a revised four-year offer.

Phillipou, 20, was second-last out of the 18 first-round picks in the 2023 draft to recommit to his club when he signed a two-year deal in April last year, but will sign on earlier this time in a strong show of confidence in St Kilda after a personally frustrating season.

https://archive.md/wF959

 

[gringo2011]

You know how they're different, 1 wins hitouts the other doesn't. 1 is a weapon in the Centre bounce the other is a weakness. Around the ground and link up chains similar.

He's not an amazing tap ruck either. He's better at it but both are extra mid types. The real POD that TDK has is his leap and if they allow a run up next year he should be able to dominate the ruck. Marshall is the better mark around the ground and seems to know where to be for maximum effectiveness.

TDK probably better at the actual taps and around the contest but he's not like Witts or Gawn who massage the ball to the mids. In his best games he seems to direct the ball well but it's not a consistently good aspect of his game.

His best work is like Marshall where the ball lands in his hands and he hacks it out of congestion. Other rucks are too slow and un athletic to stop them.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[gringo2011]

Feels to me like jack Silvagni had been a fairly average player and then had 1 good (not amazing) season as a defender? What am I missing here

To me he's their Mason Wood at North. Been played in roles that aren't his strength and disrespected by a frustrated fan base from early on. Has been a bit injury prone but cops more shit from fans than he should. He looks like the type of player that came good late and they don't know what they have because they see him through a negative lens. He's form early this year look absolutely top shelf. If you got 20 games of that next year you'd be very happy.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

There is very disconcerting Rolf Harris vibe to that statement.............

equating the holy tony with the australian lucifer, to the gallows with you!

 

[Sainter62]

In
Nas & Windy retention

In
TDK
Aleer
Flanders
Mckenzie
Ryan
Silvangi
Fincher
Pick7

Out
Boyd
McLennan
Cordy
Webster
Jones
Byrnes
Arie
Heath

WE ARE SO BACK

Not sure we could/should fit all those in. Surely it's JSOS or Aleer and Flanders or CMac ??

 

[gringo2011]

The West Australian today, I want him.View attachment 2411115

I wanted him last year. He looked like a real old school classic full forward. Just kick the ball near him and he'll turn it into goals type. He played in Essendon's VFL side for a couple of games and looked ready to play AFL.

 

[akaifu]

So Pou only 2 years when it was reported to be 4 earlier in the year

Biproduct of increased offers to Windy & Nas?

 

[aussierulesrules]

I’m obviously a long way behind as I have no idea how we’re now being discussed in the SOSOS talk around the traps, so what’s the go there?

Have we supposedly offered him 4 x $800K, when the other teams are offering him 4 x $600-ish?

And please tell me we aren’t going after both him AND Aleer, when we already have Wilkie, Caminiti and Tauru!?

 

[sauce_head]

He's not an amazing tap ruck either. He's better at it but both are extra mid types. The real POD that TDK has is his leap and if they allow a run up next year he should be able to dominate the ruck. Marshall is the better mark around the ground and seems to know where to be for maximum effectiveness.

TDK probably better at the actual taps and around the contest but he's not like Witts or Gawn who massage the ball to the mids. In his best games he seems to direct the ball well but it's not a consistently good aspect of his game.

His best work is like Marshall where the ball lands in his hands and he hacks it out of congestion. Other rucks are too slow and un athletic to stop them.

Hey, check out 6:30 onwards re TDK. Turns out he is the next ruck tap! Exciting!

 

[gringo2011]

The main thing left to do is improve our strength and conditioning department.

Yeap, at least work out why we are breaking down and work out why our injuries seem to take way longer to get over than they seem to at other clubs.