List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[nikkig98]

Apologies if this is the wrong thread for it, but what do you guys reckon we should be doing with Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

? I don't think we can play him in the midfield, and while I enjoyed some of his work coming off Half-back at the back end of the year, I also really want to see Travaglia play there full-time so he can start adapting to the speed and physicality of full-length AFL games.

 

[stavro#4]

Holy ****! Watching him going from streaming out of the middle hitting someone lace out, to a 2 minute straight compilation of him hitting it down the throats of their mids (even made Motlop look like a mid)... Makes you wonder how good the likes of NAS, Garcia, Pou are going to look with that kind of service. Clearly checked out once he signed our contract mid year

I wasn’t prepared for some of the tap work and some of the inflight field kicking.

As I said when I posted it. Buy in. Do the work. Give 100%. All the RTB ethos and he is a significantly better and more consistent footballer.

 

[Train12]

Apologies if this is the wrong thread for it, but what do you guys reckon we should be doing with Hunter Clark? I don't think we can play him in the midfield, and while I enjoyed some of his work coming off Half-back at the back end of the year, I also really want to see Travaglia play there full-time so he can start adapting to the speed and physicality of full-length AFL games.

I think it’s really up to him to have one hell of a pre season to fight for a back flank spot.

This is good though, positions will be hot for 2026 season! Only a good thing I believe.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Bit hard on Owens I reckon. He is constantly asked to play on bigger defenders, and competes like an animal.
Give him a third tall defender and he monsters them I reckon.
Also, this idea that Owens is slow or can't play midfield is a Ross Lyon fallacy. How many opportunities have other blokes being given in the middle.
He will get there given the opportunity, he is a contested machine.
Its worth nothing that NAS had to tell Lyon he wanted to play midfield, it most definitely was not a Ross initiative.
He really struggles to be adaptive does stubborn old Ross.

He will be competing with Caminiti for a spot if Hammer is moved forward. I agree he has been playing well above his size so will be interesting to see how they use him, when they get some tall forwards back. I agree with rolling him through the midfield he just has so much impact when he chops out in the ruck. Perhaps a few games at VFL level in the midfield will wake up Lyons opinions on using him in the mids?

 

[CursingFijian]

I'd love to know how we could be managing that.

Supposedly paying Nas and TDK $3.7 or $3.8m.

Let's say $900k for JSOS front-loaded.

Total say $4.6mil using $1.7m TDK.

The entire cap is $19.2 million (Including the 5% excess).

That leaves $14.6mil for the rest of the list.

Keeping in mind St Kilda must have paid $16.9mil this year (95% of $17.8mil).

People have suggested the marketing fund, but the entire fund is $35 million distributed to 54 players by the end of 2027. Assuming even distribution that's less than $2mil per club and it includes AFLW.

I wonder if they're anticipating Marshall finds a new home either this year or next. According to the Herald Sun rich 100, he's our highest paid player.

Nasaiah should get 10% of the AFL’s marketing fund.

 

[Lennyisking]

Yeah, this is a weird take.

He has shown plenty. At either end of the ground, and for his 3 years in the system he has been the ONLY genuine tall at the end he has played down bar a small sample playing with Max.

Agree. No one really has got a hold of him.

 

[stavro#4]

I'd love to know how we could be managing that.

Supposedly paying Nas and TDK $3.7 or $3.8m.

Let's say $900k for JSOS front-loaded.

Total say $4.6mil using $1.7m TDK.

The entire cap is $19.2 million (Including the 5% excess).

That leaves $14.6mil for the rest of the list.

Keeping in mind St Kilda must have paid $16.9mil this year (95% of $17.8mil).

People have suggested the marketing fund, but the entire fund is $35 million distributed to 54 players by the end of 2027. Assuming even distribution that's less than $2mil per club and it includes AFLW.

I wonder if they're anticipating Marshall finds a new home either this year or next. According to the Herald Sun rich 100, he's our highest paid player.

Your figures can’t be correct. Because they can’t factor in the fact that at minimum 10% of Atleast the last 3 years salary cap has been used to forward pay existing deals in 2026 and beyond.

For example in the Marshall audio I have just posted. He says Marshall doesn’t have a great deal left owing to him on his deal - that’s with 2 years to run.

You also have the majority of players drafted between 2022-2024 on their rookie deals still, so earning no more than $150k.

 

[geelong sajnt]

Lost me when he started guessing....

 

[stavro#4]

Lost me when he started guessing....

Posted for the Cleary bit at the end. Confirming Marshall doesn’t have a huge contract remaining.

 

[Armoooo]

Apologies if this is the wrong thread for it, but what do you guys reckon we should be doing with Hunter Clark? I don't think we can play him in the midfield, and while I enjoyed some of his work coming off Half-back at the back end of the year, I also really want to see Travaglia play there full-time so he can start adapting to the speed and physicality of full-length AFL games.

Step 1: Trade him to North for a 2nd round pick
Step 2: Watch North shit themselves on draft night when they don't have a pick until the 60s
Step 3: Trade North their 2nd round pick back for their future 1st

 

[joop]

I'd love to know how we could be managing that.

Supposedly paying Nas and TDK $3.7 or $3.8m.

Let's say $900k for JSOS front-loaded.

Total say $4.6mil using $1.7m TDK.

The entire cap is $19.2 million (Including the 5% excess).

That leaves $14.6mil for the rest of the list.

Keeping in mind St Kilda must have paid $16.9mil this year (95% of $17.8mil).

People have suggested the marketing fund, but the entire fund is $35 million distributed to 54 players by the end of 2027. Assuming even distribution that's less than $2mil per club and it includes AFLW.

I wonder if they're anticipating Marshall finds a new home either this year or next. According to the Herald Sun rich 100, he's our highest paid player.

You’re obsessed.

 

[StJimmy]

Only one player on our list, looks irreplaceable if we land all these targets.

Max.

Everyone has some form Of cover.

A question, I’ve seen little of Aleer, is he a ‘break glass in emergency’ as a forward?

 

[CursingFijian]

Dropping club statements like Real Madrid's Communicardo Officals.

 

[marcus1232]

Posted for the Cleary bit at the end. Confirming Marshall doesn’t have a huge contract remaining.

which makes the contract even more valuable.

 

[stavro#4]

which makes the contract even more valuable.

Which was his point.

A late first rounder won’t cut it.

 

[luca77]

TDK’s dad was my PE teacher in high school , every body pronounced the name De Conning not De cone-ing, where did that come from?

Good question. I used to be conversational in German, until Japanese mostly booted it out of my head. I'm not an expert in Dutch, though.

The Dutch pronunciation of Koning (king) is like your first spelling, but making the "o" a bit longer. Kind of like the "au" in August.

But originally the name came from Germany, from the German word for king, "könig". The "o" with the umlauts is sometimes written "oe", but it's not really pronounced like "toe". It's kind of half way between the vowel sounds of "toe" and "girl".

If you google "king in Dutch" and "king in German", you should get the word with a playable sample sound. "Cone-ing" is kind of, but not really, in between the two.

So how should we pronounce it in Australia? Probably however they want people to pronounce it, as with Loewe and Riewoldt. Or you can be a clever clogs and pronounce it authentically. Maybe your teacher preferred the Dutch pronunciation and his kids prefer "cone-ing". Wouldn't be the first kids to reject their dad's way of doing things.

I'm a stickler for certain things, like pronouncing "dour" like "tour", rather than like "sour" (have died on that hill a few times). But various things become acceptable over time. Hopefully for half the people on this forum, spelling "You're" as "Your" gets checked off in a few more years.

 

[Armoooo]

Just on Owens, he is a tough one, he is a competitive beast but I'm also getting a bit concerned about him.

I don't think he's ever going to be anything other than a GOP as a marking forward. I think with King and Ryan in the forward line, he just isn't adding much value.

I have always thought he should be a Fyfe style midfielder, im not sure what is holding him back from excelling in that role. A lot of inside mid beasts aren't great kicks. Is it running patterns and reading the play? I'd love to see him shadow Macrae all pre-season and try and learn the basics that he does so well and hopefully take that role from him in the next couple of years.

Another thing I'm worried about is umpires are eventually going to switch on to the fact that he blatantly pushes his opponent in the back in every marking contest. Seriously, go back and watch some games this year and keep an eye out for it, the guy gets away with absolute murder.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

If we’ve already payed most of the contract, it’s not a huge problem because he’s not damaging the cap too much.
Either way I think he wants out and I’d be asking for future picks if it’s the Cats, their pick this year is no good and it’s an average draft so try to get at least 1 future 1st and I’d be happy.

 

[bird_man]

While Ross said he think Caminiti is a fwd, I just don't see him staying there. He seemed like a natural defender.

I tend to agree. Also worth noting he was fairly poor each time we tried to play him forward this year.

 

[The Boar]

Far out our strength and conditioning team are going to be critical.

If we can have King, Phillipou, Henry, Ryan and JSOS fit and firing then the sky is the limit.

Don't sleep on Henry - the few times he has played without injury he has looked like peak Shai Bolton.

I've got concerns the S&C team is the weakest link in our chain. This year- like many others- was disproportionately bad when compared to other teams.

 

[tassiesaint2024]

Take everything he says with a grain of salt, but Tim Watson this morning mentioned we are still very being very aggressive going after players. He also mentioned butters…

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Apologies if this is the wrong thread for it, but what do you guys reckon we should be doing with Hunter Clark? I don't think we can play him in the midfield, and while I enjoyed some of his work coming off Half-back at the back end of the year, I also really want to see Travaglia play there full-time so he can start adapting to the speed and physicality of full-length AFL games.

Not that worried unless we are paying him something significant.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

Good question. I used to be conversational in German, until Japanese mostly booted it out of my head. I'm not an expert in Dutch, though.

The Dutch pronunciation of Koning (king) is like your first spelling, but making the "o" a bit longer. Kind of like the "au" in August.

But originally the name came from Germany, from the German word for king, "könig". The "o" with the umlauts is sometimes written "oe", but it's not really pronounced like "toe". It's kind of half way between the vowel sounds of "toe" and "girl".

If you google "king in Dutch" and "king in German", you should get the word with a playable sample sound. "Cone-ing" is kind of, but not really, in between the two.

So how should we pronounce it in Australia? Probably however they want people to pronounce it, as with Loewe and Riewoldt. Or you can be a clever clogs and pronounce it authentically. Maybe your teacher preferred the Dutch pronunciation and his kids prefer "cone-ing". Wouldn't be the first kids to reject their dad's way of doing things.

I'm a stickler for certain things, like pronouncing "dour" like "tour", rather than like "sour" (have died on that hill a few times). But various things become acceptable over time. Hopefully for half the people on this forum, spelling "You're" as "Your" gets checked off in a few more years.

kids today are writing ‘his’ where they should use ‘he’s’. WTF? I cannot stand this.

 

[Rollee]

If we’ve already payed most of the contract, it’s not a huge problem because he’s not damaging the cap too much.
Either way I think he wants out and I’d be asking for future picks if it’s the Cats, their pick this year is no good and it’s an average draft so try to get at least 1 future 1st and I’d be happy.

Rather not trade Marshall at all TBH. Is contracted. He have all the cards. Not for a speculative draft pick.
Player that we want or another club for a player that we want. Dont want to make Geelong stronger.

 

[stavro#4]

I've got concerns the S&C team is the weakest link in our chain. This year- like many others- was disproportionately bad when compared to other teams.

I’ve considered this.

But the injuries have been really unlucky and not a great deal due to poor management.

Pou - stress fracture in his femur. That’s unlucky. Calf’s have been placed on the player saying he is okay and putting his hand up for selection
King - knee was dealt with and missed by multiple specialists.
Howard - injured in games that he managed to play out.
Marshall - slipped down a hill wasn’t it?

I’d almost invest in a priest and bless the ****ing place or get the ghost busters to perform some form of exorcism