List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Ads734]

Yeah I think he does. He looks to have an excellent athletic profile: speed, agility and endurance. + Brave as they come.
In my mind it’s a question of whether he can learn the positioning, team defence and ability to read ball flight. And potentially whether his skills are solid enough. To the eye they look ok

Has great skills. Perfect team player is Loc

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Don't know if it has spread to here yet
But a woman messaging at Saints TV
Says her grandson is mates with Cam MacKenzie
And Cam has told him that he wants to be at the Saints

 

[Stickman90]

Don't know if it has spread to here yet
But a woman messaging at Saints TV
Says her grandson is mates with Cam MacKenzie
And Cam has told him that he wants to be at the Saints

Ill believe it when i see it

 

[Remboy]

Ill believe it when i see it

It's on Bigfooty. What more proof do you need?

 

[TassieSaint]

Joey on FOX Sports - will St Kilda’s aggressive strategy pay off?

Similar stats to Dunkley. Not the full story obviously but he's become underrated.

 

[bergholt]

Don't know if it has spread to here yet
But a woman messaging at Saints TV
Says her grandson is mates with Cam MacKenzie
And Cam has told him that he wants to be at the Saints

Awesome but so much water has to go under the bridge to make that happen

 

[Falchoon]

So if Essendon are finally deregistered, which player/s should we go after.

They'd merge with the Blues.

The 2 clubs are indistinguishable at this point culturally so may as well make it official.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

 

[my name was taken]

They'd merge with the Blues.

The 2 clubs are indistinguishable at this point culturally so may as well make it official.

With a relocation to Darwin? Yes please

 

[bergholt]

It's even better than you guys made out.

A must watch.

The funniest part for me is the contrast with clean-cut Andrew Mackie at the end coming in all straight-faced after Gubby wanders off giggling

 

[SG34]

A lot of media noise about St Kilda being rash.. but what else can we do?

Why don't they make noise about the Academy Inequality

• St Kilda (and other "heartland" clubs) are indeed fishing from a pond with fewer fish (NGA):
  • Limited Zone & Demographics: Their NGA is restricted to a smaller geographical area (Bayside Melbourne). The demographics of this area mean a smaller pool of players meeting the specific Indigenous and multicultural eligibility criteria required for NGA access. (Bayside has the lowest foreign born and indigenous demographic)
  • Existing Pathways: These zones already have established junior football pathways, meaning that many talented players are already "captured" and developed through traditional routes, rather than relying solely on the NGA for elite development.
  • Draft Rule Restrictions: Historically, and even with recent changes, clubs like St Kilda have faced stricter limitations on matching bids for their NGA players, especially for high draft picks. This means they are less likely to secure top talent even if their NGA produces it.
• Gold Coast (and other Northern Academy clubs) are given an ocean (Northern Academies):
  • Vast Zones: Clubs like Gold Coast have enormous, almost state-sized, zones for their academies.
  • Broader Eligibility: Crucially, their academies are designed to develop any talented player within that zone, not just those of Indigenous or multicultural background. This provides a much larger potential talent pool.
  • Game Development Focus: The Northern Academies were initially designed to grow the game in non-traditional AFL areas. Without strong existing pathways, these academies became the primary elite talent identifiers and developers in their regions.
  • Securing Elite Talent: This combination of factors has allowed clubs like Gold Coast to consistently secure multiple top-end draft prospects, significantly boosting their list-building capabilities, as seen with their four top 30 picks from the 2023 draft

 

[Diehard Saint]

‘Plenty of money to splash’: Saints’ bold warning to rival clubs ahead of busy trade period

‘Plenty of money to splash’: Saints ‘still fishing’ after $4.5m splurge in brash warning to rivals

www.foxsports.com.au

So that’s the famous Gubby.
First time I’ve ever heard him speak.
That’s one interesting character…if he was any more laid back he’d be asleep.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

That’s why I’d be happy enough with a swap for SDK.

Key back who can go forward and play ruck. The other option is to take a kid in the draft, Sandy dragons have Ludowyke a local kid who’s worth a look. The problem is the big guys take time, we could be waiting years to see him become a regular if at all.

Except Logan Morris
How good is he

 

[Rogue Warrior]

Don't know if it has spread to here yet
But a woman messaging at Saints TV
Says her grandson is mates with Cam MacKenzie
And Cam has told him that he wants to be at the Saints

So there’s a saints Nuffie Grandma following and commenting on Saints TV

 

[SainterinSydney]

Ill believe it when i see it

 

[SainterinSydney]

Awesome but so much water has to go under the bridge to make that happen

We could turn what we get from Ro into Cmac.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Gubby has put me over the edge, officially getting carried away now.

Welcome Z Butters

 

[TheJackal]

We could turn what we get from Ro into Cmac.

Id prefer SDK over CMac, although, both on our list for a cost of Ro and a F1 could be worse.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Gubby has put me over the edge, officially getting carried away now.

Welcome Z Butters

Might have the cash to splash
But how the hell are we getting the picks
Must be getting a suitcase full for Roma, hope so

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Might have the cash to splash
But how the hell are we getting the picks
Must be getting a suitcase full for Roma, hope so

#YoullSee

 

[Dr Spaceman]

The funniest part for me is the contrast with clean-cut Andrew Mackie at the end coming in all straight-faced after Gubby wanders off giggling

 

[mighty_sainters]

Gubby has put me over the edge, officially getting carried away now.

Welcome Z Butters

 

[Diehard Saint]

Similar stats to Dunkley. Not the full story obviously but he's become underrated.

Joey doing us a solid trying to increase the asking price for Steele

 

[StCicatriz]

That statement was 100% about McKenzie.

Hes out of contract next year. He's not a free agent.

 

[Moquo]

So that’s the famous Gubby.
First time I’ve ever heard him speak.
That’s one interesting character…if he was any more laid back he’d be asleep.

"Clearly that answers the question...yeah"