List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[thekizzler]

Or the air raid siren at Essendon games

 

[saintmike65]

I'll do my best

 

[BrutThough]

We need more out of Liam Henry

I'd be interested to see him off half back in the preseason.

 

[saintbill]

My dad also hated Billings. Still jokes about him to this day lol. We use to joke that Billings always had this sickly look to his eyes like he had bubonic plague or Ebola.

He was riddled with imposter syndrome. Never looked like he felt he belonged.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

My word, if there's a chance we bring in Humphrey I think I'll need a lie down. Have Gubby and SoS been doing their sneakies behind the scenes for months with him too?

Mystery mid?

Flanders and Humphrey from the Suns would be gif heaven

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Not keen on bringing in players who refuse to wear pants...... Just saying

 

[pebblesofsand]

Last time I say it. You can’t force a player to sit out (or retire for that matter) if they think they can get back to play.

Given that players income can be tied to games played -both AFL & VFL - you’d open yourself up to more than just media scrutiny, you’d be on the end of a breach of employment law.

Boy oh boy. No, there were not. Categorically.

This is ridiculous lol.

Players can suffer setbacks in injury return - do you know the medical assessments at the time were wrong?

And even if they were wrong, so what? There was still no way in knowing King would be out for the season at the time of the MSD.

And your Cordy argument? Absolute rubbish chat. You can't retire a player against their will.

King - At the time of the mid season draft he was listed as TBC - so the club NFI when he was going to be available.

We gambled on him becoming available - we lost - so missed a chance to enter the mid season draft.

Cordy - Of course you can't retire a player against their will but there's nothing to stop you make serious efforts to "entice" a player to retire if you believe it would have been in the interests of the club.

Cordy was listed as 8 weeks before he'd even be fit enough to be considered and was an absolute monty to be delisted at the end of the year.

So we didn't do enough to "entice" him to retire early so we missed a chance to enter the mid season draft.

So we did have ways of entering the mid season draft if we weren't aggressive enough about it.

Here's the two players I'd have been chasing if we had a spot.

Archie May of the Essendon Bombers AFL Games Played Stats

Archie May of the Essendon Bombers AFL games played and stats.

www.footywire.com

Liam McMahon of the Essendon Bombers AFL Games Played Stats

Liam McMahon of the Essendon Bombers AFL games played and stats.

www.footywire.com

 

[Geezington]

Pick 23 for Judd McGee what that the **** is that

 

[thekizzler]

King - At the time of the mid season draft he was listed as TBC - so the club NFI when he was going to be available.

We gambled on him becoming available - we lost - so missed a chance to enter the mid season draft.

Cordy - Of course you can't retire a player against their will but there's nothing to stop you make serious efforts to "entice" a player to retire if you believe it would have been in the interests of the club.

Cordy was listed as 8 weeks before he'd even be fit enough to be considered and was an absolute monty to be delisted at the end of the year.

So we didn't do enough to "entice" him to retire early so we missed a chance to enter the mid season draft.

So we did have ways of entering the mid season draft if we weren't aggressive enough about it.

Here's the two players I'd have been chasing if we had a spot.

Archie May of the Essendon Bombers AFL Games Played Stats

Archie May of the Essendon Bombers AFL games played and stats.

www.footywire.com

Liam McMahon of the Essendon Bombers AFL Games Played Stats

Liam McMahon of the Essendon Bombers AFL games played and stats.

www.footywire.com

Negative. This is all wrong.

Go read page 99 onwards on the AFL rules, link here: https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...nded-AFL-Rules-effective-28-February-2023.pdf

King needs to agree to go on the LTI and the AFL need to be satisfied by the medical report.

As for Cordy, as if a bloke is going to retire when he wants to fight for his career.

Also, no LTI can be changed after Round 18, so there is another hole in your grand plan.

So, no, you just look silly, my man.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Fish in the boat, Gubby baiting up again

 

[Remboy]

Is de Goey happening?

Just need to finalise the Naicos deal first.

 

[akaifu]

 

[Captain Paddy]

Why are people still arguing about if we could’ve used the MSD

Who gives a flying about the MSD when we’re a destination club now.

Buckle up and enjoy the ride my kings

 

[EddieMurphy]

Giving away pick 7 for a player seems like the magic beans approach where we think we are close to prelims and just need to top up. Anyhew the die is cast now.

 

[akaifu]

 

[bird_man]

Giving away pick 7 for a player seems like the magic beans approach where we think we are close to prelims and just need to top up. Anyhew the die is cast now.

Flanders is 24 years old and fits a need in our midfield.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Giving away pick 7 for a player seems like the magic beans approach where we think we are close to prelims and just need to top up. Anyhew the die is cast now.

Absolutely not imo.

People overate draft picks way to much

Pick 7 which becomes pick 12 in a weak draft is absolutely fair deal for a very good player

 

[Southeastsainter]

Harry Boyd, MSD & Zaine Cordy

21

Zaine Cordy

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

180.4

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.9

3star

MG

180.4

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

chat!!!!! Jesus Christ

 

[AFaiL]

Giving away pick 7 for a player seems like the magic beans approach where we think we are close to prelims and just need to top up. Anyhew the die is cast now.

opposed to giving away pick 7 for an 18yo that is untested and unproven at the elite level

what is the damn obsession wiht draft picks?

 

[SainterinSydney]

I forgot to mention that I run St Kilda's twitter.

 

[StCicatriz]

He has no where near the pace of Biclavs. Biclavs was in 400m qualifying trials for Australia for 2012 Olympics. And that is Biclavs major strength, his ability to get around the ground quickly. Marshall would be lucky to win an egg race.

No but he will go into the ruck and can play forward.

 

[_Maximus_12]

King - At the time of the mid season draft he was listed as TBC - so the club NFI when he was going to be available.

We gambled on him becoming available - we lost - so missed a chance to enter the mid season draft.

Cordy - Of course you can't retire a player against their will but there's nothing to stop you make serious efforts to "entice" a player to retire if you believe it would have been in the interests of the club.

Cordy was listed as 8 weeks before he'd even be fit enough to be considered and was an absolute monty to be delisted at the end of the year.

So we didn't do enough to "entice" him to retire early so we missed a chance to enter the mid season draft.

So we did have ways of entering the mid season draft if we weren't aggressive enough about it.

Here's the two players I'd have been chasing if we had a spot.

Archie May of the Essendon Bombers AFL Games Played Stats

Archie May of the Essendon Bombers AFL games played and stats.

www.footywire.com

Liam McMahon of the Essendon Bombers AFL Games Played Stats

Liam McMahon of the Essendon Bombers AFL games played and stats.

www.footywire.com

So you add Archer May. Which of our contracted players are you delisting this offseason to make way for him? Or which of our recruits are you not pursuing?

 

[SainterinSydney]

Giving away pick 7 for a player seems like the magic beans approach where we think we are close to prelims and just need to top up. Anyhew the die is cast now.

Flanders has shown proven elite talent, is only 24 and is the type of midfielder we have been crying out for who has been played out of position. We will look back on this trade in years to come and say it was an absolute bargain.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Giving away pick 7 for a player seems like the magic beans approach where we think we are close to prelims and just need to top up. Anyhew the die is cast now.

Isn’t swapping pick 7 for a player how draft picks work regardless?

The core question is; is Flanders better than what we could get in the 2025 draft

Gut says yes right now tbh…..

 

[akaifu]

Cold

 

[Diehard Saint]

The bloke suffered a workplace injury.

What he is paid is irrelevant (& its not near $1m now anyway).

He's not the face of our next flag push at all. Nas & co have taken that mantel.

He was tracking better than the majority of other tall forwards before Dougal threw his tantrum (well ahead of Hawkins, etc at the same point.)

His body language & he sucked defensively when he was playing injured & couldn't move (so would you if a sh!tman like Griffen Logue was manhandling you).

He doesn't owe us anything.

And I would imagine that no matter how frustrated we are, he would be so much more so.