List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Joffaboy]

Hasn’t most of the football world known TDK was coming to the Saints for most of the season. I’m sure Marshall would have been aware. Where did he think TDK was going to play?
I think 90% of this is a media made up.

efa

 

[stfan]

I'm okay with moving Heath on but there is the possibility that he becomes a Jamie Cripps or Tom Lynch type story.

How so? Cripps and Lynch were both earlyish picks. And Cripps we wanted to keep.
Possibly more comparable to Stanley (pick 47), though Stanly look liked an AFL level player when we traded him.



Heath is a mid season pick up, whom to me does not look likely to be an AFL regular.

Perfect fit for Dees who want someone prepared to play as back-up to Gawn when he is out injured.
Gawn will keep the No1 ruck role as long as he is able. Heath is not suited to being a forward ruck.

Most likely scenario is that Gawn will play 2 more years, after which they will hunt for a true No1 rick. And maybe (small chance maybe) Heath may improve enough to get the gig. But I expect not.

Meanwhile Dodson should be coming along very nicely by then for us.


So yes Heath could be a DFA, and could make it. We had Membrey and Dylan Robertson. But both if those I would rate as looking a lot more capable of being first 22 players than Heath does.

 

[stfan]

Pretty irrelevant on Wilkie being offered an improved deal now (Though I am sure we will within 12 months if he does.

What would be relevant would be the Dogs offering a trade package that St Kilda would benefit from, and I just cannot see them doing that.

Wilkie is an elite Gun. He makes our backline hum. You do not let such a player go for a B type compensation. Especially as the Saints are to be playing finals from 2026 on.

So personally I cannot see a deal happening.




Marshall is more likely as St Kilda can manage without him. BUT, the deal still needs to be good as otherwise why bother.

Both players have 2 year contracts to go. So no need to fold.

Wilkie I see as a vital cog, and I can also see him playing more than 2 more years.

Marshall, since we have TDK I see as a useful cog.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Also said Heath was a DFA? No he is not

What they are implying is the Saints will mutually agree with Heath to delist him, with the view Melbourne will pick him up as a DFA during the appropriate period.

That’s how I see it.

 

[stavro#4]

Cmon stavro#4 chop chop I'm waiting on the Gettable round up. taps watch

Oh that's me how could I forget I'll get on it asap

Roll back a few pages.

 

[Mindfury]

Old mate Pencil Neck having another stinker in the Wilkie thread. Good reading.

at least Tian has decided to shut the fucque up

 

[St Steady]

i feel roma would be stoked with TDK coming in ,

will get to blossom around the ground wherever he's used, and get relief from his most taxing chore

ruck rule changes suit tdk and roma has much more strings to his bow that we can release

 

[Hayes4PM]

That kind of makes sense. If anyone is gonna even consider Jamarra it would be someone in Queensland or WA. You would be banking on him moving thousands of kilometres away from his scummy mates because he's obviously too much of a drop kick to realise he needs to on his own.

 

[Teflon]

Just having a look at the list profile (before additions)

We have 9 players listed from Sandy and south (ie the peninsula, which we SHOULD be owning)

TDK will make 10.

Cats have 15 players from their peninsula region and continue to target

From talking to some locals, the Saints are doing minimal in the region.... prob something to look at. If geelong can keep finding players who like to 'surf and farm', we should be doing the same

Good post agree
It’s a long term game we should be playing
Hawks trying hard to claim beach they don’t have …fck them
We ought to own that peninsula

 

[Linton Street Saint]

Roll back a few pages.

My bad I forgot I already did it, rough day !

Cheers as always !

 

[Teflon]

Who gives a **** if it wasn't run by a contracted player.
He will play where ever we want him to. We can put him in the back pocket if we want or in the VFL.
He was happy enough to take the front loading, then an outside of contract 50 large bonus and to be informed what the club was doing.
He dictates eff all. We dictate what happens.
This meme that Edmund is persuing of 'unrest' in the contracted players is really a bit pathetic. First the bad tardy Saints haven't offered Wilkie, a contracted player, a new contract, now the sneaky secretive Saints haven't laid out all their plans to a contracted ruckman.
It is obvious all this is being run through the manager straight to Edmund.

You can see why people lose faith in these clowns tweeting half truths and obvious manager plants.

Edmund sounds like an absolute fck wit
What’s his axe with the club ??
Says nothing positive
Stick to the bubble Ross eff em all

 

[Teflon]

Playing a shitload of guitar. Sticking my head in the sand with all this media bullshit.

It's all just vile, soul sapping drivel.

The guitar or the media ?

 

[SaintersUnite]

Tomorrow.

 

[Goddardwetrust]

I also think player managers have too much power! It’s way out tilted now.
Clubs need some power back.
You can’t be a shit or negligent player manager and front load a contract, then get shitty because the last couple of years it’s less money. Or sign players to long term deals with the attitude of “I’ll get you out if needed”

Should be - contracted players - if you want to go - the club trades you where they get the best offer.

Not I wanna break my contract and I only want to go to X, and club doesn’t get the best deal.

When players sign long contracts - list management has factored in salary cap, list needs etc.
Ie Merrett
Ie Curnow - if Curnow wasn’t on a big deal, they may have had a chance of keeping TDK? Who knows.

It needs to be fixed.

I don't know if it would be feasible or even legal to put a clause in front loaded contracts, that states, if players want to move once the lower amount kicks in, the player has to reimburse the average back to the club.

 

[Joffaboy]

I don't know if it would be feasible or even legal to put a clause in front loaded contracts, that states, if players want to move once the lower amount kicks in, the player has to reimburse the average back to the club.

AFL did that with Ben King. 150k x 4 years 'Ambassador' money to stay at GC. If he left before the contract was up he had to pay back all the Ambassador money he had received to that point.

If the AFL can do that, I am sure it could be written into a contract.

 

[Diehard Saint]

i feel roma would be stoked with TDK coming in ,

will get to blossom around the ground wherever he's used, and get relief from his most taxing chore

ruck rule changes suit tdk and roma has much more strings to his bow that we can release

Probably extends his career too.

 

[Sully111]

The guitar or the media ?

Both have their moments

 

[SG34]

AFL did that with Ben King. 150k x 4 years 'Ambassador' money to stay at GC. If he left before the contract was up he had to pay back all the Ambassador money he had received to that point.

If the AFL can do that, I am sure it could be written into a contract.

That’s an interesting idea, but it still goes in the cap?
Anyway, Wilkie’s being offered 1.2 million by the kennel dogs, right? And he’s on 750,000 for the Saints, right? And he’s 29. Something is gonna give.

Ever wonder that these offers being slung around are torpedoes that do a lot of damage even if they don’t sink the ship (lure the player to leave). The Bulldogs weaken our treasure chest if he stays if we need to pay him more, which I bet we will.

Trade talk: Saints yet to present Dogs target with improved deal

St Kilda has not yet upped the offer.

www.sen.com.au

 

[jimmytigs]

Old mate Pencil Neck having another stinker in the Wilkie thread. Good reading.

i want a dogs vs essendon player trade to come up,yoda vs pencil case will be must see compelling viewing,if they were both around back in the dunkley year,that would have been a doozy

 

[Saintos The ITK]

That’s an interesting idea, but it still goes in the cap?
Anyway, Wilkie’s being offered 1.2 million by the kennel dogs, right? And he’s on 750,000 for the Saints, right? And he’s 29. Something is gonna give.

Ever wonder that these offers being slung around are torpedoes that do a lot of damage even if they don’t sink the ship (lure the player to leave). The Bulldogs weaken our treasure chest if he stays if we need to pay him more, which I bet we will.

Trade talk: Saints yet to present Dogs target with improved deal

St Kilda has not yet upped the offer.

www.sen.com.au

It all heavily depends on where we see ourselves over the next couple of years doesn’t it. If we could get way overs for Wilkie and Roma that would see us up quite nicely for a couple of years for drafts and trading but also imo delay success.
I’d probably go all in and do it and bank on the recruitment dept. neither are getting any younger.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Incredible but not surprising how much the AFL media want our recent recruiting spree to backfire. It's been so hysterical. Can't really remember anything like it.

They just want us to be shit.

 

[Armoooo]

We have to go all in.

When you're a top 4 team, you get players cheaper. So we might get a smaller return for Marshall if we trade him next year as opposed to this year, but if we're closer to being a contender than we currently are, we could probably still get as much talent for the reduced return.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

That kind of makes sense. If anyone is gonna even consider Jamarra it would be someone in Queensland or WA. You would be banking on him moving thousands of kilometres away from his scummy mates because he's obviously too much of a drop kick to realise he needs to on his own.

What about the off season? Mid season bye? He will still return and catch up with his mates.

 

[tommo7]

Tomorrow.

Care to elaborate mate? Is the news we are into TDK??

 

[Coconut_twirl]

I don't know if it would be feasible or even legal to put a clause in front loaded contracts, that states, if players want to move once the lower amount kicks in, the player has to reimburse the average back to the club.

Club can just hold the player to his contract? Doesn’t like it? He sits out for the year.