List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[gringo2011]

JUH loves getting on it, saw him in revs off his guts when he was playing a few years ago apparently he hits it every weekend, that same night someone took a mud monkey on the floor and I bought some warrick cappers off some bloke who had an eftpos machine on him

To be fair that's the full Revs experience.

 

[Geezington]

To be fair that's the full Revs experience.

It’s very eye opening for people that aren’t from Melbourne lol

 

[gringo2011]

Not for nothing, the "that's so St Kilda" is a much more harmful mentality than what the President has dragged the AFL towards on the father-son rule and academies.

I agree with this. Telling yourself that you are unlucky is a good way to make it happen. FlagKilda 2026.

 

[Geezington]

I've spent years trying to work out if you're 17 or 58.

I still got no clue.

See you on the d floor

hahahahahaha I’ve got another 35 years till I’m 58

 

[Falchoon]

Not for nothing, the "that's so St Kilda" is a much more harmful mentality than what the President has dragged the AFL towards on the father-son rule and academies.

2 big practical applications of the harmful mentality this year.

1. Josh Battle AA after not making the AA squad in 2024 with a similar season.
2. The Windhager rhetoric post the Daicos game, tagger tagged, copped physicality all game, and was virtually shamed for it.

Why? Saints.

 

[Joffaboy]

Edmund saying we have come “armed & dangerous” with our offer to Sam Flanders as we have done with every player we have targeted this trade period

Any audio of this? Can't see it on SEN anywhere.

 

[Joffaboy]

hahahahahaha I’ve got another 35 years till I’m 58

Bullshit, you can't add up, you are the same age as my daughter, you are not flipping 23, you gronk

 

[gringo2011]

It’s very eye opening for people that aren’t from Melbourne lol

It's been doing that for decades.

 

[RWB4life]

Any audio of this? Can't see it on SEN anywhere.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

The one positive is the umpires will notice him forever and a day now after the ridicule they received in the press after last night. If Nas continues his upward form trend that influence could win him a Brownlow one day!

it’s the browncession we had to have

 

[gringo2011]

Exactly.

We have to change the narrative.
And that starts with us not constantly referring to ourselves with a victim mentality.

I love that with Fly, not letting his players act like losers. No reason we can't be the best in every area. It only takes drive, hardwork and seeing the way you want it to look and acting to achieve it. Geelong were a mess before guys like Costa rebuilt the way they saw themselves.

 

[gringo2011]

hahahahahaha I’ve got another 35 years till I’m 58

You must have been doing your best work on here when you're in school still.

 

[Joffaboy]

About an hour in

Nothing new, Edmund 'feels' the Saints in front, basically from the usual BS that the Saints are supposedly paying. Sounds like the same BS we got with TDK, JSOS and Aleer, all wildly over the actual values.

 

[RBW_007]

The one positive is the umpires will notice him forever and a day now after the ridicule they received in the press after last night. If Nas continues his upward form trend that influence could win him a Brownlow one day!

He polled in 8 of our 9 wins as well as in 4 losses. He does things that make you take notice. He'll more than likely be the people's favourite next year especially if he has a good start. Daicos should be worried

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I think we’re trying to hang on to Ro for another year:
1- To see how we go with him and Maxie forward.
2- Obviously as insurance against Maxie going down.
3- As tall cover until Bing enters restricted free agency.

 

[Geezington]

You must have been doing your best work on here when you're in school still.

yeah I would’ve been a teenager hahaha

 

[austinnn]

NAS when he gets absolutely shafted on Brownlow night

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He who laughs last laughs loudest I suppose.

 

[austinnn]

17 of Geelong's 23 preliminary final players were drafted into the club, and most of those were rookie draft or picked in the 40s and 50s. Yes they have the surf coast advantage which netted them Dangerfield and Cameron, but the number 1 reason for their success is incredible drafting and development.

More convinced than ever that development is much more responsible than picking well at the draft. Our development has been so shithouse for so many years, still not entirely convinced it's much better now.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I love that with Fly, not letting his players act like losers. No reason we can't be the best in every area. It only takes drive, hardwork and seeing the way you want it to look and acting to achieve it. Geelong were a mess before guys like Costa rebuilt the way they saw themselves.

A bit iffy about McRae (spelling?)

They’re not losers, they’re winners, don’t sweat the small
stuff yada yada…but still manages to slip in the inference to that umpiring call etc etc. Done the same in other pressers.

Was a real Mr Genial guy the year they won, but whinges plenty in a roundabout kind of way when they lose. Doesn’t impress me.

 

[austinnn]

Not for nothing, the "that's so St Kilda" is a much more harmful mentality than what the President has dragged the AFL towards on the father-son rule and academies.

100%

that loser mentality is a millstone round this clubs F.ing neck and I can't wait for supporters to evolve past it

 

[Diehard Saint]

100%

that loser mentality is a millstone round this clubs F.ing neck and I can't wait for supporters to evolve past it

Unfortunately, we might actually have to win one before that happens.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

A bit iffy about McRae (spelling?)

They’re not losers, they’re winners, don’t sweat the small
stuff yada yada…but still manages to slip in the inference to that umpiring call etc etc. Done the same in other pressers.

Was a real Mr Genial guy the year they won, but whinges plenty in a roundabout kind of way when they lose. Doesn’t impress me.

He’s a surface-level spiritual w@nker. The type to spew all those aphorisms on camera then go home and get up to real nasty stuff.

We see through you Fly

 

[Dard Ball Get]

He can genuinely play but he's a massive dickhead off the field.

Has been overrated his whole career imo. Can certainly see the potential but it is all unrealised.
Max has him covered in every aspect and is called a gimp.

He also possesses the one trait I cannot f*cking stand. That which he believes he is bigger and better than the team and his teammates. If you’re a solo athlete and you want to throw your career away, go for it.
Complete and utter piece of shit for doing what he’s done.

And before anyone wants to claim “mental elf”, don’t, I’ll hurt myself if you do.

 

[austinnn]

Unfortunately, we might actually have to win one before that happens.

Maybe, maybe not.

I think it starts with wins but those can be other things besides premierships.

Andrew Bassat and Ross Lyon are standing up and shouting, as Chris Rock did in Baltimore after he got humbled on the Oscars stage:

"I REFUSE to be a victim!"

But I know what you mean, long suffering Saints fans might take a bit more convincing. We've got close before and it all crumbled away.

What we need is to see premierships as feedback rather than the goal in itself. If you run things correctly if youre a serious strong club, you're in the position to win year after year, like the oppo clubs I admire. From that point, if you win is down to what happens on the day. Ross has talked before about results being feedback and i totally agree.

A premiership can be a signifier that we have our shit together but it didn't do much for the Demons except give Goodie time to wreck it all.
Who was the stronger club: the Demons in the 2018-present, or the Saints 2004-2011?

Unfortunately, even our own fans just look at the number of premierships from that period. And all the bad luck. So St Kilda. Boo hoo hoo we're the loser club everybody is right about us. The hell with that.

I'm with Bassat all the way.

"I REFUSE to be a victim!"

It means taking your licks and getting back up, learning and improving. Not thinking of setbacks as destiny but an inevitable obstacle. We've been unlucky, sure. Maybe more than others. So what? What else can we do? Accept that fate will never allow us glory? No, by just learning from it, getting up and punching. As the club is doing.

And by the way, one random premiership in a mire of shit (Port, Bulldogs, Demons) is not going to cut it, not even one dynasty. I won't be satisfied until St Kilda is a serious club capable of competing at the highest level year after year, generation after generation from one admin to another. Other clubs have managed it. Then the number of cups we end up with will be secondary.

The days of us being the joke of the league are over, they've been over for some time but someone forgot to tell the AFL, the media, the umpires, and the fans. Soon they will all get it.

 

[Diehard Saint]

The days of us being the joke of the league are over, they've been over for some time but someone forgot to tell the AFL, the media, the umpires, and the fans. Soon they will all get it.

We have certainly become more relevant.
Putting backs up all over the place, but I reckon with a little admiration from some other clubs.
Bassat and Ross haven’t taken a backward step and it’s starting to bear some fruit.
We’re on the path.
But we need desperately to back it up onfield next season.