List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part V

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 5

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[stfan]

Do we throw our Future 1st at GCS or Essendon for their two 20s picks if JPou and Ludawyke are available?

If they were the Dons may just take them both. They are in rebuild mode after all and can't really afford to wait the extra year.

 

[maanco]

No bids are 10% discount no matter what pick - there is no longer a flat discount.

akaifu

 

[maanco]

Which govt the NT govt has no money.

 

[austinnn]

Bloody hell its tough to pick a team nowadays, there's gonna be plenty of guys unlucky to miss out if our injury rate improves. Might be a couple of blokes asking for trades in 11 months but you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs

 

[akaifu]

No bids are 10% discount no matter what pick - there is no longer a flat discount.

akaifu

Are you sure?

AFL player movement and list management changes

 

[stfan]

Bloody hell its tough to pick a team nowadays, there's gonna be plenty of guys unlucky to miss out if our injury rate improves. Might be a couple of blokes asking for trades in 11 months but you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs

Welcome to becoming a good team.

 

[goodie23]

Are you sure?

AFL player movement and list management changes

Makes sense to have a flat rate on late bids - that's not where the problems have been.

So just watch that not be the case.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Are you sure?

AFL player movement and list management changes

After pick #36 there are no longer be any form of discounts - Lore's table above reflects exactly that.

Why the AFL chose a pick midway through the 2nd round is any bodies guess. It leaves a window of picks #37 = 297 points through to #53 = 14 points, which makes it a task to hold a pick in the range to match the points.

If Lore's table is correct - points wise we will be better off having Fincher bid on at picks 36, 35 & 34 than picks between 40, 39, 38, 37 which is madness.

 

[akaifu]

After pick #36 there are no longer be any form of discounts - Lore's table above reflects exactly that.

Why the AFL chose a pick midway through the 2nd round is any bodies guess. It leaves a window of picks #37 = 297 points through to #53 = 14 points, which makes it a task to hold a pick in the range to match the points.

If Lore's table is correct - points wise we will be better off having Fincher bid on at picks 36, 35 & 34 than picks between 40, 39, 38, 37 which is madness.

I don’t believe that is correct

After 36 you match the bid with your next pick - essentially as long as you have an open list spot

The article states this - you may have misread

 

[SaintsofSteel]

I don’t believe that is correct

After 36 you match the bid with your next pick - essentially as long as you have an open list spot

The article states this - you may have misread

Fair enough that makes much more sense - thanks for the update!

So basically we pray Fincher doesnt get bid on before pick #36, thats much more acheivable.

Ps Im still holding hope a first round player we are interested in slides (eg Phillipou, Ludowyke) and we can work a trade with our futures.

 

[maanco]

Are you sure?

AFL player movement and list management changes

I can't find the article I read it it but the example here has it as 10% of the value of the pick. For example of bid at 25.

The example that shows how matching bids will be harder in 2025

It is set to be more difficult for clubs to match bids on father-son and Academy players this year

www.afl.com.au

Time will tell.

 

[sammm]

Here’s the itinerary…

Wed (travel day to WA, smaller day – 5 wineries):
10.30am - Evoi Wines
11.30am - Stella Bella
12.30pm - McHenry Hohnen
1.30pm - 2.30pm - Lunch on Margaret River Surf Beach
3.00pm - Windows Estate
4.00pm - Windance Estate

Thurs (big day, strap yourselves in – 7 wineries):
10.00am - Pierro
11.00am - Fermoy Estate
12.00pm - Woodlands Wines
1.00pm - 1.30pm - Lunch – The Nookery Cafe
1.30pm Fraser Gallop Estate
2.30pm Cullen Wines
3.30pm Juniper Wines
4.30pm Grace Farm

Early doors Friday Busselton to Perth in time for the 1st ball.

We just spent 4 days wandering around wineries in Clare south Australia. We are now in Birdwood. Tomorrow we we start Adelaide Hills wineries, barossa, then down to Goolwa for a week. A number of wineries down that way. Then head home

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We just spent 4 days wandering around wineries in Clare south Australia. We are now in Birdwood. Tomorrow we we start Adelaide Hills wineries, barossa, then down to Goolwa for a week. A number of wineries down that way. Then head home

We did Clare in 2019 during the Food & Wine Festival & it was magnificent.

Highlight was a personal tasting with Kevin Mitchell at Woodvale.

Don't miss Gibson in the Barossa.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

We did Clare in 2019 during the Food & Wine Festival & it was magnificent.

Highlight was a personal tasting with Kevin Mitchell at Woodvale.

Don't miss Gibson in the Barossa.

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Where's all the chix?

 

[True Believer]

Where's all the chix?

Thought you'd been around?

Chix don't do tasting's......... Chix drink for fun, and to give them a reason why they can't find their underwear.......

 

[Jayman15]

Jackson Voss SEN interview 17/11

 

[beside the seaside]

What's the point of delisting and re-rookieing Said? Can't exactly bode well for him, going to need a big season.

 

[Significant]

What's the point of delisting and re-rookieing Said? Can't exactly bode well for him, going to need a big season.

It's just managing the list decisions. The National Draft mandates the need to draft or upgrade from your rookie list 3 players, and realistically you only have those players coming out of contract that you can part with to create those vacancies. We have got really creative with Byrnes and to a lesser extent Said (a lot of clubs re-rookie a player nowadays) just to make these minimum requirements. The poor quality of the draft is only exacerbating this, as unless you have a club going full rebuild mode (Eagles, Tigers, Bombers, Demons) or the limited talent is all tied up in your Academies or Father Sons (Suns, Lions, Blues), no clubs are wanting to invest heavily at all so will make up the numbers with rookie upgrades.

I think its just a perfect storm.

Doesn't bode well for Said though, but to be honest, he is the 40th+ player on our list and this doesn't change that necessarily.

 

[wannabewinner]

A fit and firing Gardiner helped Saints make the Grand Final. I think there might be the same hopes with De Koning.

The issue is the wasted list spots on borderline backups.

Carroll
Said
Boyd
Schoenmaker

All these minimum wage types add up to wastage on the salary cap as well..

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Where's all the chix?

At home with the kids

 

[sammm]

We did Clare in 2019 during the Food & Wine Festival & it was magnificent.

Highlight was a personal tasting with Kevin Mitchell at Woodvale.

Don't miss Gibson in the Barossa.

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Thanks

 

[True Believer]

Where's all the chix?

At home ironing my shirts and making me a sandwich...........



Go on,


Come at me!

 

[dudeintheswamp]

At home ironing my shirts and making me a sandwich...........



Go on,


Come at me!

Ok, I'll bite.

What kind of sandwich?

 

[Tyrian Lonestar]

Ok, I'll bite.

What kind of sandwich?

A Trump Sandwich

White bread, baloney, special bubba sauce & a small pickle

 

[dougiemac]

Where's all the chix?

Passed out in the dunny.