List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[M Malice]

If Andrews goes down we're screwed.

I don't think that's too big a statement.

So we need somebody.

I don't think Mitch McGovern is the answer as a KPD backup in the Andrews/Payne mould, listed on the Blues website and footywire as 190cm.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Mitch McGovern

11

Mitch Mcgovern

Age

31

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

could be available to bolster our backline stocks. Not the worst but probably not the right fit either.

 

[Nathan Barley]

If we lose Dizzy then McGovern could be a depth option but otherwise I'd prefer to go again with our current options

 

[Nuggo]

We want McGovern so we can get all of Carlton's footy IQ

 

[pod17]

Sorry but Mitch McGovern would be a close second to that fraud Brayden Preuss who coasted along with a career of being carried around. McGovern had that lightning strike type 5 goal game against Carlton playing for Crows which seduced them into the first contract and he's pretty much average across first 4 years. 2023 - his best season got him 10th in best and fairest.

I'd rather we go and get say Buku Khamis or Harry Arnold even to play that role. Mitch McGovern would be such a bad downgrade in all our other club trade selections over all these years. We usually go for elite at some point, injured now, can come for a bargain etc. He doesn't fit any of that profile.

I'd love Khamis or Arnold too. However, it's unlikely we have the picks to get either done. If we lose Starcevich, and manage to get something back, I'd be going after them no doubt.

McGovern is comfortably better than the others I mentioned before and would have undoubtedly played a fair chunk of games for us this year. He's good insurance, as Frost would be. There's always a couple of role players, and he's shown he's at the level to be able to do that.

Carlton paid McGovern way overs, but he'd be getting half that with us (likely), which is an important distinction.

 

[M Malice]

I'd love Khamis or Arnold too. However, it's unlikely we have the picks to get either done. If we lose Starcevich, and manage to get something back, I'd be going after them no doubt.

McGovern is comfortably better than the others I mentioned before and would have undoubtedly played a fair chunk of games for us this year. He's good insurance, as Frost would be. There's always a couple of role players, and he's shown he's at the level to be able to do that.

Carlton paid McGovern way overs, but he'd be getting half that with us (likely), which is an important distinction.

Harrison Arnold has played 9 games for our VFL side this season so don't think he would be overly difficult to get on our list if we wanted him, not sure if there is a mechanism to get him on our list without using draft picks, eg delisted free agent, Cat B?

 

[pod17]

Harrison Arnold has played 9 games for our VFL side this season so don't think he would be overly difficult to get on our list if we wanted him, not sure if there is a mechanism to get him on our list without using draft picks, eg delisted free agent, Cat B?

Apologies, I was thinking of Aleer (way off!).

 

[M Malice]

Apologies, I was thinking of Aleer (way off!).

Yer I like Aleer as well but we wont be in the ball park, the Saints throwing a very expensive kitchen sink at him.

 

[On the quiet]

Hear me out…

McGovern would be a better option than Doedee, Brain or Joyce. Payne gone for a fair chunk of next year, and Starc a potential out.

If the dollars weren’t ridiculous I’d be happy enough with him as coverage. Can take a good intercept mark, and is relatively reliable by foot. Has also played a fair chunk of games the last few years.

The other one I’d look at is Frost from the Hawks. I’d be very surprised if he’s not on another list next year, and I’d also be surprised if we aren’t into these types of players given our injuries and potential departures.

I believe Doedee will be better next year. With Paynes injury the club would likely offer Dizzy and Lester another 1 year contract. I am not too sure Payne will be out for a 'fair chunk of games' next year. Provided he is not rushed, and or does not have too many serious setbacks with rehab, could possibly see him around mid to late April, which is about 10 months from the GWS game.

I would much rather Frost than McGovern

 

[pod17]

I believe Doedee will be better next year. With Paynes injury the club would likely offer Dizzy and Lester another 1 year contract. I am not too sure Payne will be out for a 'fair chunk of games' next year. Provided he is not rushed, and or does not have too many serious setbacks with rehab, could possibly see him around mid to late April, which is about 10 months from the GWS game.

I would much rather Frost than McGovern

Promising to know re Payne. I thought it was around the same rehab time as an ACL, but end of April would be nice.

Not so sure on Doedee. The mechanics of his running look to be impacted by the injuries he has had. Also, he’s had a few ‘outs’ due to not being able to pull up from games. History would suggest it’s going to be an extremely uphill battle to be able to contribute at AFL level after that many ACLs, especially the way he plays which is reliant on his ability to launch at the ball as opposed to say an inside mid. Agree we should definitely be giving Lester and Gardiner contracts.

I hope I’m proven very wrong (which often does happen) but I’m also all for getting depth in the event we need coverage.

 

[dlanod]

Harrison Arnold has played 9 games for our VFL side this season so don't think he would be overly difficult to get on our list if we wanted him, not sure if there is a mechanism to get him on our list without using draft picks, eg delisted free agent, Cat B?

He'll be a DFA because of his time on the Swans' list.

 

[briztoon]

Yer I like Aleer as well but we wont be in the ball park, the Saints throwing a very expensive kitchen sink at him.

Reportedly $650k-$700k. According to Sam Edmund on SEN.

 

[M Malice]

Reportedly $650k-$700k. According to Sam Edmund on SEN.

That's not too bad when you are supposedly paying a premium to extract a player from another club and backing yourself to turn him into a better/more consistent player.

I googled the average player salary - $519,000.

 

[Saucery]

DANIEL ANNABLE

This guy just keeps on impressing at every level he plays. Whether it be plying his trade for the Brisbane Lions Academy, the Allies, the AFL Academy or the Lions’ VFL side, Annable just keeps on gaining fans.

Ball magnet’s massive statement in senior footy as young stars boost draft stocks — Draft Watch

Ball magnet’s massive statement in senior footy as young stars boost draft stocks — Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[pod17]

Reportedly $650k-$700k. According to Sam Edmund on SEN.

If that’s the money I’d hope we’d still be trying to get ourselves in the picture.

 

[Tom14]

That's not too bad when you are supposedly paying a premium to extract a player from another club and backing yourself to turn him into a better/more consistent player.

I googled the average player salary - $519,000.

Thing is though he's not very good.

 

[SizeMatters]

This is different.

He’s decent coverage both forward and back. He would be best 22 up forward now but also down back with Payne injured. I like it but only for a reasonable price.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I'd only take McGovern if he was coming for a average or below average salary. Anything higher than that and I reckon we're better off trying out an impressive state leaguer like Ethan Phillips.

 

[rye]

id prefer to retain gardiner and if need be joyce for what would likely be low contracts rather than go out chasing aleer types who would take up far more cap space to entice over

 

[Elixuh]

McGovern is a fringe player who was likely paid ~top 12 player money at Carlton. He'd come cheaper now, but not cheap enough. He's basically a Joyce type footballer, a little better, but we've probably have to pay him double or more what we are paying Joyce.

Someone like Norf, Essendon or St Kilda will take him.

 

[briztoon]

DANIEL ANNABLE

This guy just keeps on impressing at every level he plays. Whether it be plying his trade for the Brisbane Lions Academy, the Allies, the AFL Academy or the Lions’ VFL side, Annable just keeps on gaining fans.

Ball magnet’s massive statement in senior footy as young stars boost draft stocks — Draft Watch

Ball magnet’s massive statement in senior footy as young stars boost draft stocks — Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Jaspa Fletcher still doesn’t get any recognition.

 

[mattsmob]

Jaspa Fletcher still doesn’t get any recognition.

Do you see Jaspa’s future as a mid? I think he’d kill it in there but for team balance I don’t know if he’ll end up in there. Far more suited to playing outside than our other young mids

 

[Saucery]

Jaspa Fletcher still doesn’t get any recognition.

Too many young stars in our sky for the Vic media mafia to acknowledge, so many geriatric Collinwood players to venerate.

 

[Saucery]

Do you see Jaspa’s future as a mid? I think he’d kill it in there but for team balance I don’t know if he’ll end up in there. Far more suited to playing outside than our other young mids

I see him as a future captain in the Tom Harley mode, underrated everywhere but in club land.

 

[Saucery]

McGovern is a fringe player who was likely paid ~top 12 player money at Carlton. He'd come cheaper now, but not cheap enough. He's basically a Joyce type footballer, a little better, but we've probably have to pay him double or more what we are paying Joyce.

Someone like Norf, Essendon or St Kilda will take him.

Maybe he might like a premiership medal?