List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[mad-saint-guy]

The contingency is Taru up forward trust me.

He could be absolutely anything as a forward.

If we land Aleer and still have Wilkie, Howard, Hammer and Barrat on the list then Tauru forward would make a lot of sense. With this mythical leap and apparent recent growth spurt it sounds like he'd be capable of pinch hitting in the ruck too

 

[BarkerFan]

Morris reporting we aren’t actually interested in Bergman currently. But he doesn’t seem to be close to a deal and other vic clubs probably are keen. Bit to play out, paying the pick is the headache, whereas aleer would be a 2nd and TDK a free agent.

I still cannot see at all how a 23 year old VFL player is worth a second rounder. He has played a total of 12 senior games over 3 season, due to not making their best 22. They are the facts. 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd. SOS wont give a second, They cannot hold on to a guy they are not playing and who is out of contract and has a better offer elsewhere.

 

[jimmytigs]

Should have traded him last year not extend his contract
Doesn't have a body thats up to AFL football

feel sorry for the guy and im a soldier,im happy to back it in once the club made the decision,but i said it before and say it again

last year he is worth 2 firsts
next offer we get will be brisbane lions thinking they can do a daniher/mccarthy on him with their medical team and hand us a reduced offer
reality probably is he will go somewhere for a future 2nd with his career in tatters,when the penny drops in 3 or 4 seasons

its a piss off in the midst of a bunch of positive potential incoming moves and vibes,but it is what it is,

if you were at the other end of this spectrum,the apt saying would be"he is the gift that keeps giving"

oh and for the eternal optimists re max king,that bag those with a different outlook,i guess you are taking this path below

 

[Sully111]

There's no doubt the amount of footy Max misses is concerning.

I'd be shocked if he's back in 3 weeks.

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

Morris reporting we aren’t actually interested in Bergman currently. But he doesn’t seem to be close to a deal and other vic clubs probably are keen. Bit to play out, paying the pick is the headache, whereas aleer would be a 2nd and TDK a free agent.

Then where did all the noise come from? His own management?

 

[nobhead]

There's no doubt the amount of footy Max misses is concerning.

I'd be shocked if he's back in 3 weeks.

Had the opportunity to go to training the last 3 weeks and from what i saw he is no where near playing .in that time have not seen him once get out of a slow jog pace .1/1 work very soft not having a go at him ,i just wish the club would be more honest about where he's at atm .lyon saying 3 weeks just can't see it to be honest.phillipou and clark and howard did heaps more in 1 session that i saw than king and they are listed as 3-4 weeks lol

 

[hayes]

There's no doubt the amount of footy Max misses is concerning.

I'd be shocked if he's back in 3 weeks.

I’d be shocked if he’s back at all this year. Sounds like they don’t even know what the problem is. Keeps us unpredictable though.

 

[sammm]

Should have traded him last year not extend his contract
Doesn't have a body thats up to AFL football

and we would have been up in arms.

 

[BrutThough]

and we would have been up in arms.

Thankfully the club isnt that stupid.

 

[stavro#4]

Thankfully the club isnt that stupid.

I am a massive King fan. I can see the point of the extension and how it would benefit us. Infact my belief is that we don’t win a flag without a fit and firing King.

But for as long as we see injured King or we don’t get performance from king that meets expectations.

The Club will appear to be stupid. It’s unfortunate. But it also wasn’t necessary at that point in time - upon reflection.

 

[Saintbloke]

I am a massive King fan. I can see the point of the extension and how it would benefit us. Infact my belief is that we don’t win a flag without a fit and firing King.

But for as long as we see injured King or we don’t get performance from king that meets expectations.

The Club will appear to be stupid. It’s unfortunate. But it also wasn’t necessary at that point in time - upon reflection.

I think he has only played something like 23 games since 2023, so not sure if he really is part of the future. He is a great asset when fit and firing, but I think he has an eggshell body and can't see him ever playing out a full season.

 

[stavro#4]

I think he has only played something like 23 games since 2023, so not sure if he really is part of the future. He is a great asset when fit and firing, but I think he has an eggshell body and can't see him ever playing out a full season.

As it stands. We don’t win anything without Max.

You look at all the flag favourites and they have genuine talls who can kick you goals.

Hawthorn has Lewis injured but Chol is doing the job. Sicily can play both ends.

They also evidently want Allan aswell.

The Lions also want Allan but still have Morris Hipwood & Day.

Both those sides have ELITE smalls.

We have some real promising smalls and Higgo should be elite or in the conversation. But we lack those genuine 200cm talls who can compete at the level and contribute.

 

[The Punter]

Winning a premiership without an elite 196cm+ player does happen, but not often. Melbourne 2021, West Coast 2018, Sydney 2012. It's rare but not unprecedented.

 

[marcus1232]

Winning a premiership without an elite 196cm+ player does happen, but not often. Melbourne 2021, West Coast 2018, Sydney 2012. It's rare but not unprecedented.

West Coast not a great example considering they had one of the best Full Forwards of this generation playing and Jack Darling

 

[stavro#4]

Winning a premiership without an elite 196cm+ player does happen, but not often. Melbourne 2021, West Coast 2018, Sydney 2012. It's rare but not unprecedented.

West coast had Kennedy. I’d consider him elite.

Darling was also very very good.

Cripps Le Cras Rioli Ryan was also a fantastic small quartet.

The swans more what you are referring too but still had Adam Goodes and a 20 year old Sam Reid who was very handy prior to his body falling apart.

Melbourne had elite smalls in Fritsch and Kosi and Petracca (128 goals between them)

They had the generational Gawn and a young Jackson who was more than contributing.

Tom McDonald still kicked 33 for the year. Ben Brown kicked 25 from 13 games.

 

[70s sainter]

Haven’t they heard of a squat program down at the saints . I wonder if it’s an early arthritis thing post Acl injury. Might be time to sacrifice a bit of pace for strength.

 

[FQFjt]

The contingency is Taru up forward trust me.

He could be absolutely anything as a forward.

Why do you say this? Wasn't he a defender in his draft year, drafted as a defender, training as a defender, playing VFL as a defender? Has he ever played forward?

 

[The Punter]

West Coast not a great example considering they had one of the best Full Forwards of this generation playing and Jack Darling

West coast had Kennedy. I’d consider him elite.

Darling was also very very good.

Cripps Le Cras Rioli Ryan was also a fantastic small quartet.

The swans more what you are referring too but still had Adam Goodes and a 20 year old Sam Reid who was very handy prior to his body falling apart.

Melbourne had elite smalls in Fritsch and Kosi and Petracca (128 goals between them)

They had the generational Gawn and a young Jackson who was more than contributing.

Tom McDonald still kicked 33 for the year. Ben Brown kicked 25 from 13 goals.

I completely forgot about Josh Kennedy. My bad. Not disputing Darling was very good. Just not elite, but they had Kennedy so I would delete that part of my post if not for transparency (I got it wrong, so let's not act like I didn't).

Fritsch is a medium. If Fritsch is a small so is Owens.

Considering if everyone is fit we'd struggle to find a spot for Butler at the moment, I like where we are in the forwards except for King's availability. Caminiti was the King back up but he's playing back now and showing promise. For now we just need to persist with Keeler. In 2010 Lyon backed Stanley in with a good stretch of games. He never set the world on fire in those games, but ended up a 200+ game player. We need the tall for structure. Last quarter v Geelong showed what happens when we have only one genuine tall forward in the side who also needs to ruck some times.

 

[stavro#4]

I completely forgot about Josh Kennedy. My bad. Not disputing Darling was very good. Just not elite, but they had Kennedy so I would delete that part of my post if not for transparency (I got it wrong, so let's not act like I didn't).

Fritsch is a medium. If Fritsch is a small so is Owens.

Considering if everyone is fit we'd struggle to find a spot for Butler at the moment, I like where we are in the forwards except for King's availability. Caminiti was the King back up but he's playing back now and showing promise. For now we just need to persist with Keeler. In 2010 Lyon backed Stanley in with a good stretch of games. He never set the world on fire in those games, but ended up a 200+ game player. We need the tall for structure. Last quarter v Geelong showed what happens when we have only one genuine tall forward in the side who also needs to ruck some times.

Well ultimately.

The Dees had 1 tall who was practically a 2 goal a game forward.

And a goal a game from 2 other talls (32 goals from the Gawn/jackson combo from 25 games)

Swans had a goal a game from LRT and Reid and 2 from Goodes.

You need a tall who gives you 2 a game. We don’t even have 1 big boy delivering us a goal a game. There isn’t a model for us without atleast 1 good/gun tall forward.

 

[BrutThough]

I am a massive King fan. I can see the point of the extension and how it would benefit us. Infact my belief is that we don’t win a flag without a fit and firing King.

But for as long as we see injured King or we don’t get performance from king that meets expectations.

The Club will appear to be stupid. It’s unfortunate. But it also wasn’t necessary at that point in time - upon reflection.

I'd rather the club be considered stupid because they extend King early than be stupid for trading him last year as he goes and dominates for someone else.

 

[stavro#4]

I'd rather the club be considered stupid because they extend King early than be stupid for trading him last year as he goes and dominates for someone else.

I wasn’t proclaiming they should have traded.

But I do feel like they have gone early on that extension by roughly 12 months.

 

[nikkig98]

To all the geniuses in the last 24-36 hours proclaiming that King should be traded, please just look at Charlie Curnow's Stats until the year 2022, at age 26. Max King is currently 24 and has kicked 50 goals in a season in 2022. You don't trade key forwards that are less than 30 years old. The extension... well thats a matter of debate but I'll choose to back the club in.

 

[The Punter]

I think the extension was more about cap certainty than seeing off outside interest.

 

[stavro#4]

I think the extension was more about cap certainty than seeing off outside interest.

Likely both.

They go hand in hand.

 

[Southeastsainter]

Just wondering if we have any NGA players or potential father sons that look like getting drafted this year?